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    Isn't Egypt such a better place now without Mubarak?




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    Job incomplete.
    They kept the enforcer in chief around. Much of the corruption remains, but will likely become somewhat more stealthy.

    They compromised. and are thereby,, compromised.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Chances are good that the foreign puppet dictator Mubarak will be executed by Egyptions now for his oppression of decades.

    Thinking along same lines, isn't Iraq a much better place without Saddam? Difference being that Mubarak's removal did not cost almost 2 trillion dollars and about 100K Americans lives/limbs.

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    I've been saying this from the beginning while most on here were cheering his overthrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    I've been saying this from the beginning while most on here were cheering his overthrow.
    So you think having a murderous dictator and his cronies was better.
    http://www.elshaheeed.co.uk/home-kha...yptian-police/
    Background Story

    Khaled… A story of many Egyptians.

    Khaled Said, a 28-year-old Egyptian from the coastal city of Alexandria, Egypt, was tortured to death at the hands of two police officers. Several eye witnesses described how Khalid was taken by the two policemen into the entrance of a residential building where he was brutally punched and kicked. The two policemen banged his head against the wall, the staircase and the entrance steps. Despite his calls for mercy and asking them why they are doing this to him, they continued their torture until he died according to many eye witnesses.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

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    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    So you think having a murderous dictator and his cronies was better.
    http://www.elshaheeed.co.uk/home-kha...yptian-police/
    I think Mubarak was a murderous dictator as you stated. So was Saddam. But sometimes what comes afterwards is even worse - remains to be seen.
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    What we see now is what was planned.
    I am the spoon.

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    "Arab Spring" was a coup.



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    Most revolutions feature a transition period of various lengths. Washington had to lead troops to put down minor rebellions in America; Tunisia has had many administrative problems and some ongoing discontent. I don't see how this could be unexpected. It does not mean the revolution was not worth it; it just means there are still challenges to face. For those who are yelling, "SEE? I told you it would be bad!" They are making a disingenuous argument. If it is this bad in a year you will have a good point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John F Kennedy III View Post
    What we see now is what was planned.
    Egypt's big problem was that they compromised and allowed Suleiman to remain in power.
    He is the head of the Police apparatus. He engineered much of the opposition and violence, and is likely behind this violence.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...048148,00.html

    The US loves Suleiman, and he has been a partner in torture programs. Mubarak was only part of the problem. This guy needs to go as well. You can trace police violence directly to him,, and likely the attacks on churches that led to it.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
    Ron Paul 2004

    Registered Ron Paul supporter # 2202
    It's all about Freedom

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    So far it has all gone in a predictable manner .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Egypt's big problem was that they compromised and allowed Suleiman to remain in power.
    He is the head of the Police apparatus. He engineered much of the opposition and violence, and is likely behind this violence.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...048148,00.html

    The US loves Suleiman, and he has been a partner in torture programs. Mubarak was only part of the problem. This guy needs to go as well. You can trace police violence directly to him,, and likely the attacks on churches that led to it.
    I think you underestimate the tensions between the growing number of fundamental Islamofascists in Egypt with the Christian Coptic minority. This is not just about Suleiman or one man. That one man is supported by many many many other men as well, and if you cut him down, three more will replace him, and the provocations and church burnings will continue.
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    Enter the brotherhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moderate libertarian View Post
    Mubarak's removal did not cost almost 2 trillion dollars and about 100K Americans lives/limbs.
    How much foreign aid did the US give Egypt during Mubarek's reign? Egypt is the #2 recipient of US aid. Mubarek would have been gone long ago if not for US $$$ propping him up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Egypt's big problem was that they compromised and allowed Suleiman to remain in power.
    He is the head of the Police apparatus. He engineered much of the opposition and violence, and is likely behind this violence.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...048148,00.html

    The US loves Suleiman, and he has been a partner in torture programs. Mubarak was only part of the problem. This guy needs to go as well. You can trace police violence directly to him,, and likely the attacks on churches that led to it.
    Yep. We need to remove all outside influence on who is in power there and let them hold elections. This whole uprising thing in the middle east is to destabilize the countries to gain control over them.
    I am the spoon.



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