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    We KNOW that some of these people partaking in the protests have left leanings that don't align with the liberty philosophy. The thing is, these protests have NOTHING to do with the left-right paradigm. You can act all self-righteous and not associate yourself with these people because of their political affiliation by dehumanizing them with "ilk" and other names. By doing that, you are still playing into the false paradigm. Thing is, if and when violence will be brought into the picture, will you still talk as if these protestors are nothing like you? Is your head really that full of political fluff that you can't strip yourself of label and find the common humanity with them?

    It's sickening that there's even a proposition to ignore these protests because this "Occupy" situation is not going to dissipate. These people are doing SOMETHING. We're doing SOMETHING. What's the difference? Of course many of them don't have a clue as to who the real institutional culprit is, but that's where our movement's ideas come into play.

    When a real revolution comes into this country in the form of economic and societal collapse, I severely doubt that it will matter if someone has any preference towards any political philosophy. LABELS DON'T MATTER. You can say until you're blue in the face that anarcho-capitalism/libertarianism/real conservatism is the right mindset if this country wants to get back on its feet. Good for you. It doesn't matter. The entire global collapse as we know it is underway, and when you and your socialist friends are both in the midst of a revolution that looks like chaos in every form, you're not going to care about political leanings.

    An Us vs. Them mentality is what has the greatest potential to divide this movement. So what if someone is a socialist and wants everything because it's a right. So what if you're a libertarian and believe that a gold standard is the way to go. SO WHAT. You can have every single label in the world, but you are no different than the person who lives right next to you.

    You are no different than those who are perceived to be enslaving you in an unjust and backwards system. "They" are you. "They" are the creation of what you know to be wrong, because if "they" didn't exist, then you wouldn't know what was wrong in the first place. There is a reason for all of this, and if you keep bashing your fellow citizens over a fucking philosophy or political label, then you still haven't quite understood that humanity needs to unite as one people if any real change is going to occur to bring this system to a new standard of morality. If you are still hating someone for hurting you, then you're still not over it. Your hateful projections of strangers who feel as if they need to do at least something are hypocritical because there is no basis for it other than that they are only doing something while having a different point of view.

    It's time that we put aside our labels, find common ground, and go from there to determine how "We the People" - not "We the Ron Paul People" - can change this place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach View Post
    We KNOW that some of these people partaking in the protests have left leanings that don't align with the liberty philosophy. The thing is, these protests have NOTHING to do with the left-right paradigm. You can act all self-righteous and not associate yourself with these people because of their political affiliation by dehumanizing them with "ilk" and other names. By doing that, you are still playing into the false paradigm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The Federal Reserve is my Enemy, not Wall Street.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    They are leftist who want the expansion of govt. They protest "WallStreet" as if wallstreet makes the rules, while ignoring the govts massive role in the housing bubble. Chaos does not serve our cause for liberty or limited govt. Chaos actually give govt a chance to expand its powers and that is what the leftist want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dongkong View Post
    . Chaos actually give govt a chance to expand its powers and that is what the leftist want.
    What was their excuse for expanding Government before Chaos?

    Your statement makes no sense.

    If we are peaceful and compliant,, the government expands.
    If we protest,, the government expands.
    If we elect Republicans the Government expands.
    If we elect Democrats the Government expands.

    If we KILL the Banking Industry, we may slow it down some. It is obvious the Banks will fight back.
    They own both the Left and the Right.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The Federal Reserve is my Enemy, not Wall Street.
    Ron Paul talks down on Wall St. all the time.

    Something else we have in common is that they are against the bank bailouts. Ron Paul has even said that we would have been better off giving all that money to the people to pay off their debts than to give it to the banks, who just gave themselves multi-million dollar bonuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The Federal Reserve is my Enemy, not Wall Street.
    Wall Street gave more money to Obama than any other candidate. In turn he helped deliver the bailouts that most on Wall Street demanded.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep...treet-20110930

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The Federal Reserve is my Enemy, not Wall Street.
    Same here. I couldn't care less what Wall Street does. Fiat money is what is impoverishing people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    Same here. I couldn't care less what Wall Street does. Fiat money is what is impoverishing people.
    Well Wall Street is the Center of the Banking industry. All the major (Federal Reserve) Banks have a main office there.

    What is Produced there? What does the NYSE produce?
    As I understand they buy, sell and trade commodities. They take profit from each transaction and increase the price to consumers without producing, storing, shipping or otherwise benefiting either producers nor consumers.
    They are middleman that takes from everyone, but provide little or no benefit.

    tell me again why I should defend any of their actions.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Well Wall Street is the Center of the Banking industry. All the major (Federal Reserve) Banks have a main office there.

    What is Produced there? What does the NYSE produce?
    As I understand they buy, sell and trade commodities. They take profit from each transaction and increase the price to consumers without producing, storing, shipping or otherwise benefiting either producers nor consumers.
    They are middleman that takes from everyone, but provide little or no benefit.

    tell me again why I should defend any of their actions.
    Because their actions wouldn't have the same effect on the rest of us if we were using honest sound money instead of their fiat dollar. Their transactions would be honest. For example, do you think that the Queen of England would have spent $1 billion silver dollars on a wedding? No way! She did spend $1 billion paper dollars on the wedding because she could.

    Everyone who wants freedom must embrace honest sound money if you wish to enjoy liberty, peace, and prosperity. That's what the scholars tell us.

    Edit: I see no reason to defend Wall Street, but taking Wall Street down will not liberate people socially or economically. Shooting at Wall Street is shooting at the wrong target.
    Last edited by Travlyr; 10-06-2011 at 02:13 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    Because their actions wouldn't have the same effect on the rest of us if we were using honest sound money instead of their fiat dollar. Their transactions would be honest. For example, do you think that the Queen of England would have spent $1 billion silver dollars on a wedding? No way! She did spend $1 billion paper dollars on the wedding because she could.

    Everyone who wants freedom must embrace honest sound money if you wish to enjoy liberty, peace, and prosperity. That's what the scholars tell us.
    I agree, but that does not answer my question.

    I am a capitalist. I want to be paid for my produce, whether it is a Pumpkin I grew or a car I have painted.
    I generally make the agreement for payment with whoever is the customer. But I do want to be compensated for whatever my effort was.
    I am a capitalist. perhaps not a particularly greedy one but a capitalist just the same. I am not Anti-Capitalist.
    I just do not see why some middlemen that produce nothing and provide no needed service are able to drive the prices of goods up being considered a good thing. Especially when it benefits neither producer nor consumer.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    I agree, but that does not answer my question.

    I am a capitalist. I want to be paid for my produce, whether it is a Pumpkin I grew or a car I have painted.
    I generally make the agreement for payment with whoever is the customer. But I do want to be compensated for whatever my effort was.
    I am a capitalist. perhaps not a particularly greedy one but a capitalist just the same. I am not Anti-Capitalist.
    I just do not see why some middlemen that produce nothing and provide no needed service are able to drive the prices of goods up being considered a good thing. Especially when it benefits neither producer nor consumer.
    I am a capitalist too. Everybody is a capitalist. Everybody uses capital to buy goods and services. The key is to trade honestly with each other. Using sound money forces honesty upon everyone.

    Shooting at Wall Street is shooting at the wrong target. Their influence on our lives comes from their monetary system that they force on us. Take that away from them and their influence wanes.
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    To directly answer your question pcosmar. I don't really care what they do anymore than I care what anybody else does. I want an honest monetary system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post

    If we KILL the Banking Industry, we may slow it down some. It is obvious the Banks will fight back.
    They own both the Left and the Right.
    So you wanna eliminate private banks, Yeah clearly your just as nutty as the people protesting. So in your universe eliminating private banks = Smaller govt lol. Sorry i dont see the connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dongkong View Post
    So you wanna eliminate private banks, Yeah clearly your just as nutty as the people protesting. So in your universe eliminating private banks = Smaller govt lol. Sorry i dont see the connection.
    Ending fiat money will put most banks out of business. The sooner we achieve that ... the sooner we return to prosperity for the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dongkong View Post
    So you wanna eliminate private banks, Yeah clearly your just as nutty as the people protesting. So in your universe eliminating private banks = Smaller govt lol. Sorry i dont see the connection.
    Private Banks. A novel Idea. Not opposed to it at all.
    Do you know any that I can have my money in (if I had any) that are not intricately connected to the Federal Reserve and do not report my business to the Government or others?
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    I will not support a movement backed by leftist entitled spoiled brats who know nothing about how the real world functions, believe all rich people are evil, and are economic morons. The people who get hired for a job and immediately hate their employer because he or she makes a lot more money. Doing so would help them succeed, and this would make things even worse.

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    Support our citizens. You don't need to agree with every last one, and never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Private Banks. A novel Idea. Not opposed to it at all.
    Do you know any that I can have my money in (if I had any) that are not intricately connected to the Federal Reserve and do not report my business to the Government or others?
    Well if your issue is with the Fed, then your call should be to end the fed. Not to end the banks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dongkong View Post
    Well if your issue is with the Fed, then your call should be to end the fed. Not to end the banks.
    Well, You see,,, That is what started all this.


    That was from Anonymous earlier this year. Their first attempt at offline real world activism.
    Unfortunately,, few attended. But they did not give up.
    They called out for more activists..



    They invited everyone.. Guess who DIDN'T show up?
    Last edited by pcosmar; 10-06-2011 at 07:58 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zach View Post
    It's time that we put aside our labels, find common ground, and go from there to determine how "We the People" - not "We the Ron Paul People" - can change this place. We're all human, and we're all struggling.
    Umm, Did you not see the "Ron Paul People" trying to explain this very thing to you 4 years ago, if this is the revolution that starts everything, then we will stay our course and offer people some information about how to begin changing this country. That is to get Ron Paul elected as POTUS, and when we am done with that I will join your protest.

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    Bump for significance seeing that "OWS" has now become a global phenomena.

    Are your thoughts based on fear and division or liberty and revoLution?

    These socialists and "leftists" are humans just like me and you, and yet, we're grouping them in the same box of evil and communist enablers without seeking any common ground like Ron Paul strives to do with his interactions. There is no reason to be self-righteous about our own movement and to dehumanize other people of other political leanings.

    This transcends the left-right illusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    Ending fiat money will put most banks out of business. The sooner we achieve that ... the sooner we return to prosperity for the people.
    Not true. From the end of the Second Bank of the U.S.; in 1836; to the creation of the FED in 1913; and excepting a period during the Civil War and Reconstruction; we had the era of Free Banking with a bi-metallic monetary system based mostly on silver but also gold. During this period, banks were chartered by the individual states.

    Now, I'm not an economist, so I won't be able to expand beyond this brief explanation, but the trade in commodities serves a very useful free market function in that it evens out wild extremes in the prices of these commodities. So, while Wall Street has been corrupted, in a free market you will always have some form of middleman trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The Federal Reserve is my Enemy, not Wall Street.
    Do you think they are separated somehow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The Federal Reserve is my Enemy, not Wall Street.
    Exactly. +Rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    What was their excuse for expanding Government before Chaos?

    Your statement makes no sense.

    If we are peaceful and compliant,, the government expands.
    If we protest,, the government expands.
    If we elect Republicans the Government expands.
    If we elect Democrats the Government expands.

    If we KILL the Banking Industry, we may slow it down some. It is obvious the Banks will fight back.
    They own both the Left and the Right.
    So basically you're in favor of having the government abolish private banks?

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    My fear of the OWS movement is that they will sell out to a demogogue like Obama who makes promises that he can't keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Private Banks. A novel Idea. Not opposed to it at all.
    Do you know any that I can have my money in (if I had any) that are not intricately connected to the Federal Reserve and do not report my business to the Government or others?
    Nobody is forcing you to do business with any private bank. On the other hand, the government uses force to take away our freedoms and liberty on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sematary View Post
    Do you think they are separated somehow?
    Wall street is made up of private individuals who contribute to our capitalistic system. The Federal Reserve is an unconstitutional central bank that inflates our currency and steals our money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    So basically you're in favor of having the government abolish private banks?
    I am in favor of breaking up the Banking Cartel. Ending the Federal Reserve and their influence over virtually every bank in the country and Printing Fiat Money.

    I am for ending the banking monopoly.
    Nothing I have said included abolishing private banks.
    Last edited by pcosmar; 10-16-2011 at 09:01 PM.
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