Need help arguing for Ron Paul

[ronnilingus]

In a skateboarding discussion I got into it with someone. They claimed that if Ron Paul was president there would be less public schools and less infrastructure for kids to skate.

This was my response - if he were president there would be way more places to skate because we wouldnt be waiting for mismanaged, underfunded, government construction projects to get finished. free markets are more efficient and they get $#@! done. there would be more schools for kids to choose from and skate.

To which he responded with this mess:
"If these "government projects"you speak of are underfunded wouldn't Ron do more if the same and underfund it more. The Hoover damn,the trans continental highway I could go on but I think you get the idea these wouldn't have been built under "free market" principles that u talk about and if they were and in modern days it would be owned by foreign countries that invest within the united states. Keep sipping the kool aid and fearing the government as Im sure you fear the terrorist. Live in the light and out of the dark my friend and remember never trust the government unless it's Ron Paul and you'll be fine

An on some real skate $#@! new York city passed all law in the 80's that said if you wanted your building to be a certain height or taller it had to have a certain amount of common area around the building. This has been what is come to be known as the skate plaza and before these "underfunded projects" as you call or a skatepark as i call it where around these plaza where the playground and where street skating progressed before skateparks. Ron Paul would have been completely against this if he were a new York city councilman at that time and place

I'd do more research if I were you homie and there would definitely not be more $#@! to skate. "

Not sure where to begin. Not even sure if it's worth my time to try and educate this guy. Thoughts? Suggestions?

[Sola_Fide]

We're bankrupt, our money is worthless, our society is crumbling, our empire is coming to a violent end, the terror that our government has inflicted abroad is now being used on us, we are debt slaves before we are even born, etc etc etc....

....and this kid is worried about public schools to skate at?

He hasn't grown up yet.

[ronnilingus]

i know, it's almost not worth it.

[Icymudpuppy]

He has a couple good points. The interstate highway system probably wouldn't exist, nor would other massive projects like hydro-electric dams.

The question is, do the benefits of major highways and the commerce they bring outweigh the loss to freedom? Does the availability of cheap electricity outweigh the loss of freedom?

Fact is, economic growth does sometimes require major paradigm shifts such as public works. We could be free, individually prosperous, but we wouldn't be a world power or an economic powerhouse. Our prosperity would be domestic, we would create what we consume, export our excess, but import very little, and travel overseas even less as our currency would not be as valued overseas. Some other country would have the world's reserve currency.

More Freedom, more community commerce, less chinese imports, no need to use our military to enforce the reserve currency... I don't see any negatives here. Skate parks could always be built by community recreation clubs.

[dannno]

Hahahahah...

Ask him how many federal skate parks there are.. then ask him if we had more of our money back from the federal govt, would we not be able to use that money locally to fund skateparks?

Then ask him to pretend there were federal skate parks.. Would it be worth having if he knew it meant we were still killing thousands of innocent people overseas?

Not to mention, the kid skates, so he tokes ganja, right?? Right???

[Tarzan]

The answer is: "Dude... Ron Paul would TOTALLY build more skateboard parks"!!!


No point in arguing with him... nothing will get through. Lie to him... he ain't gonna vote anyway.

[specsaregood]

Then ask him to pretend there were federal skate parks..

federal skate parks wouldn't be any fun. there would be so many rules and regulations you'd eitherhave to go out dressed like the michelin man or have airbags and seatbelts installed on your skateboard.

[CaptUSA]

The answer is: "Dude... Ron Paul would TOTALLY build more skateboard parks"!!!


No point in arguing with him... nothing will get through. Lie to him... he ain't gonna vote anyway.

Yup. The best you can hope for with someone like this is to prove that Ron Paul is honest. Don't argue on the issues with someone who doesn't care or has little understanding.

[Sola_Fide]

I started skating back in the late 80's when it wasn't cool yet, and I turned out to be a Ron Paul supporter, so this kid should too because now skating is commercialized and sell-out anyway.

(Is this an argument that might persuade him?)

[Invi]

So.. He's upset that an RP administration would not have federal regulations telling private property owners they have to build useless plazas and allow random people onto their property..?

Gee. Such a great argument.

And obviously nothing ever gets done without government intervention! No way!

With less government the kid could build a plywood skatepark in his front yard if he wanted to, and there would be no one except maybe his parents to tell him he couldn't.

[ronnilingus]

@ Icymudpuppy - How would these things not exist? hoover dam as we know it, maybe not, but someone would have taken advantage of that sooner or later. and why would we have interstate highway systems? we have interstate railroad systems, granted they got some help from the gov't, it doesn't mean something similar couldn't exist for highways.

[fisharmor]

In a skateboarding discussion I got into it with someone. They claimed that if Ron Paul was president there would be less public schools and less infrastructure for kids to skate.

Stop right there... what the $#@! kind of skater likes school this much? Or what kind of person is so into skating that he's going to cheerfully call for more youth prisons that he's going to be forced to attend?

Tell this kid to stop smelling his own kidneys.
Ask him how much he'd like it if the state made him pay rent on his board every year. Oh, they say it's his, and he has a title that says it's his... but the second he stops ponying up money to the county, he loses his board. And if he ever does that, odds are nobody else is going to "sell" him another board, and the only board he's going to be able to get after that is a piece of $#@! rental that is costing him as much as a brand new board would.

That is exactly how they're funding the schools, only the skateboard is your $#@!ing home.

Of course, it's not going to make a difference because these kids are $#@!ing retards. The brainwashing regimen at your school has been a success. I hope they really, really like ramen.

[Sola_Fide]

Isn't the government going to start regulating and licensing skateboards as transportation like they do bicycles now? Sounds rad.

[ronnilingus]

i posted back a pretty long winded response covering a lot of different stuff and i got this back:
"Okay. If Ron Paul is president well be better off as skateboarders and people. Sure. "

I detect some sarcasm, but I feel I've won this battle. Either he has nothing to refute what i said, or he's just given up. Either way I'm happy. Thanks for all the input.

[refuge]

The skateboard parks around my area are community-built; wouldn't that sort of thing happen?

[ronnilingus]

nevermind, i just got this response.

"I could care less what the constitution says. We aren't in the days of whips and buggies or slaves. Speaking of which Ron and his son rand believe the government doesn't even have a place in terms of civil rights. Nevermind the fact those who wrote had no idea of what we would become or evolve into not to mention they could've never fathomed the internet. Times change and the principles of the constitution are good that doesn't mean it's not gonna change. Follow the teachings of buddah and you'll find this. Nothing is permanent and everything is in flux"

[AuH20]

nevermind, i just got this response.

"I could care less what the constitution says. We aren't in the days of whips and buggies or slaves. Speaking of which Ron and his son rand believe the government doesn't even have a place in terms of civil rights. Nevermind the fact those who wrote had no idea of what we would become or evolve into not to mention they could've never fathomed the internet. Times change and the principles of the constitution are good that doesn't mean it's not gonna change. Follow the teachings of buddah and you'll find this. Nothing is permanent and everything is in flux"

This guy thinks his rights come from the government. Next.

[ronnilingus]

im done with this either way lol, if he doesnt care about the constitution then there really is no hope. i feel bad for wasting this forums resources on someone so hopeless.

[Icymudpuppy]

@ Icymudpuppy - How would these things not exist? hoover dam as we know it, maybe not, but someone would have taken advantage of that sooner or later. and why would we have interstate highway systems? we have interstate railroad systems, granted they got some help from the gov't, it doesn't mean something similar couldn't exist for highways.

No, without imminent domain, nobody who owns property next to a river is going to give it up and be forced to move elsewhere so that their neighbors 200 feet higher elevation can have lakefront property. A few property owners might be bought out, but not everybody. That is why even the railroads required assistance from the Pinkertons and government marshalls to run farmers and ranchers off their land. Those people did not want to sell to the railroads. Where do you think the term "Railroaded" came from. It meant that the Railroad forced you off your land using the government via increasing your property taxes to where you couldn't afford to pay the taxes on the property as a transportation corridor property instead of a ranch or farm property. When you mortgaged the land to pay the taxes, the railroad would buy the mortgage, and when you defaulted on the loan, the railroad took possession. Look into the history of the Grange to learn more about fighting imminent domain.

[enoch150]

In a skateboarding discussion I got into it with someone. They claimed that if Ron Paul was president there would be less public schools and less infrastructure for kids to skate.

Is he in Connecticut? 50% of the money for public schools in this state come from local taxes and 45% from state taxes. The Feds only kick in 5%. Connecticut only gets back 69 cents for every dollar we send to the federal government. If Ron Paul were President, there would be a massive increase in the amount of money available for in state use.

[acptulsa]

Tell him someone was going to put in a seriously cool skatepark a while back but it couldn't pass OSHA, DEQ, and NHTSA muster, and no one could figure out how to design it so it would be safe enough for the handicapped to skate as well.