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    drones, drones, and more drones....

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MI23Ak03.html

    As Somalia undergoes its worst famine in six decades and Yemen slides into civil war, the administration of President Barack Obama is expanding its network of bases to carry out drone strikes against suspected terrorists in both countries, according to reports published in two major United States newspapers on Thursday
    Operations in Saudi [Arabia] are [the] only new expansion to this plan," the official was quoted as saying. "The rest has been working for over a year when we long ago realized danger from AQAP [al-Qaeda on the Arabian Peninsula]," a Yemen-based affiliate which, according to recent statements by US intelligence officials, has been consolidating links with al-Shabaab, the Somali group which Washington claims also has ties to al-Qaeda.
    ndeed, none other than Obama's first top intelligence chief, Admiral Dennis Blair (retired), told an elite gathering of foreign policy and national security wonks in July that it was a mistake "to have [an air-only] campaign dominate our overall relations" with Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.

    "Because we're alienating the countries concerned, because we're treating countries just as places where we go attack groups that threaten us, we are threatening the prospects of long-term reform," he said. Such strikes should only be carried out with the consent of the host government.

    But Obama's new Pentagon chief and former CIA director Leon Panetta rejected that criticism, insisting that the tactic had been and would continue to be "effective at undermining al-Qaeda and their ability to plan attacks [against the US]".

    Panetta and the Pentagon have also reportedly led the charge in an ongoing debate within the administration to broaden the current target list in Yemen and Somalia from high-level leaders of AQAP and al-Shabaab, who are presumed to share al-Qaeda's global aims, to include low-level foot soldiers, whose motivation for joining such groups may be more parochial and less ambitious.

    The drone has increasingly become the administration's "weapon of choice" in its efforts to subdue al-Qaeda and its affiliates, although it has been used far less frequently against targets in Yemen and Somalia than in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq.
    According to the Post and Journal accounts, Washington used a base in the Seychelles in 2009 and 2010 to fly drones for surveillance of both Somalia and Somali piracy activity in the Indian Ocean. According to the WikiLeaks cables cited by the Post, Seychelles President James Michel has concurred with the idea of arming the drones.
    The Post reported that the US had negotiated with Ethiopia, with which Washington also cooperates closely on counter-terrorism activities, for four years over building a base for armed drones on its territory. Fox News reported that the US had flown surveillance drones from several Ethiopian bases.
    "But it runs the very real risk of actually exacerbating the situation," he noted. "The problem with drones is that the US doesn't have a very good track record on killing who it's aiming at in Yemen. So it often ends up killing civilians, which drives their brothers, fathers, sons, nephews, etc into the hands of al-Qaeda and makes it easier for al-Qaeda to argue that Yemen is an active theater of jihad, no different from Iraq or Afghanistan."

    He also expressed concern about the CIA building a base in Saudi Arabia. "One of the primary motivations for Osama bin Laden's jihad against the US were military bases housing US troops in Saudi Arabia after the end of the Gulf War [in 1991]," he wrote on his blog, Waq al-Waq. "Does the US think this current of thought no longer holds sway in Arabia?



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    They love blowing up stuff without risking a pilot. If they are lucky, they get something resembling a real target in the process.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Here... checkout the amount of flight hours of US Drones: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...oll_0909/all/1



    DRONES: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011...-tech/?pid=545


    The Killer Drones
    Drone warfare hardly started under Gates' tenure at the Pentagon. But in 2007, shortly after he arrived, it accelerated to a whole new level.
    That's when the Air Force began flying the Reaper drone above Afghanistan. The Reaper is a Predator drone on steroids, able to fly twice as high, three times as fast, and carrying eight times more Hellfire missiles and smart bombs.

    All of a sudden the military had a whole new option against terrorists in places it couldn't invade. From 2004 to 2007, Predators launched merely nine strikes into Pakistan. The upgraded drones turned that into a full-fledged shadow war, with 33 strikes in 2008, rising to a stunning 118 in 2010. Those drones are now patrolling Yemen and Libya (though the drones hunting Moammar Gadhafi's men are Predators, not Reapers).

    The drones are only getting more advanced. By 2018, the Navy should have one that can take off and land on an aircraft carrier at the click of a mouse. The third generation of the Predator, the stealthy Avenger, is on its way, and can stay aloft for at least 6 hours longer than the Reaper. That's enough time to think long and hard about outsourcing assassination to robots flown remotely, halfway around the world.
    Photo: U.S. Air Force

    REAPER
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphic...aper_drone.jpg
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    i would just like to add that, in spite of what uncle sam may be telling us, drones are sh*t expensive to fly when all the costs are added up.

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    They have limited range compared to manned airframes, don't work well in bad weather and high wind, and I LMAO at the drone "pilots" in their flight suits. Like they would have a bad day if one went down, say compared to a jet jockey.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Miami Police Could Become First To Use Drones In A U.S. City

    (...)

    Unlike the famous Predator-B drones, which have been used to kill militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, T-Hawks are much smaller, carry no weapons and are intended for short, targeted tasks. Cohen said each T-Hawk is approximately the size of a "small office garbage can." On its website, Honeywell boasts that the T-Hawk is "a combat-proven unmanned micro air vehicle that can be quickly deployed. T-Hawk is easy to assemble and can be airborne within 10 minutes. It is simple to fly with minimal training. With unique hover and stare capability, T-Hawk supports advanced intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) with real time video documentation." According to the company, T-Hawks can fly as high as 10,000 feet, at speeds up up to 50 miles per hour, with 46 minutes of endurance.

    Cohen told TPM that one of the units was purchased with a Department of Justice grant, and the other one was leased to the department by Honeywell for the cost of $1. (Presumably, the company is eager for the department to inspire others to purchase their products.) According to Cohen, the T-Hawk offers Miami police two main benefits. For one, a drone can help the department avoid putting an officer in harm's way, by reducing the need for piloted helicopters. Drones can also provide "real time information to the commanders on the scene," improving safety and communication between officers.

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...rones_in_a.php
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    You know, there are some pretty bright guys out there working on DIY drones for less than $1K. Wonder what will happen when a RC aircraft starts to follow some government license plated vehicles around - just sayin'.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    You know, there are some pretty bright guys out there working on DIY drones for less than $1K. Wonder what will happen when a RC aircraft starts to follow some government license plated vehicles around - just sayin'.
    Yeah, like you have real-time streaming video or camera snapshots from your own drone following the FEDS or for that fact, any LE or how about just cruising the neighborhood?

    Would be illegal when you do it? Would it be legal since the government does it daily without any probably cause?

    Question but I bet the answers from government will be hypocritical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    Yeah, like you have real-time streaming video or camera snapshots from your own drone following the FEDS or for that fact, any LE or how about just cruising the neighborhood?

    Would be illegal when you do it? Would it be legal since the government does it daily without any probably cause?

    Question but I bet the answers from government will be hypocritical.
    no doubt.

    mundanes, in fact, are the real drones.

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    Yay, SKYNET.

    That is all.

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    I have great video footage from the Seychelles... that's all I can say about Paradise.

    Land of the Double Coconuts...

    http://wikimapia.org/6790383/Indian-...ation-IOS-site
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