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    Ron Paul says that "ideas are the only things that count". So where do Ron Paul's ideas come from?

    Ludwig von Mises, Lew Rockwell and Murray Rothbard stand behind Ron Paul and his message of peace and liberty. Their strategy is to awaken and educate the masses to the idea of liberty, for when the State is widely recognized as unethical and uneconomic, it's days are numbered, since all States rest ultimately upon the support, active or merely passive, of the masses.

    Ron Paul speaks to the masses, educates them, and introduces them for the first time to the ideas of liberty, in the hope that they will embrace the message and join the intellectual and moral battle against State power. He encourages all his supporters to discover for themselves the philosophy of liberty, directing them to Mises, Rockwell and Rothbard.

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    from the founding fathers

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    Quote Originally Posted by low preference guy View Post
    from the founding fathers
    Of the Austrian School of Economics, correct. Well done!
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    When you read the Federalist Papers and other writings of the Founders, you then understand the framework for the Constitution and what it meant....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFPVet View Post
    When you read the Federalist Papers and other writings of the Founders, you then understand the framework for the Constitution and what it meant....
    When you read Austrian Economics and other writings of the adherents of that school, you then understand the framework of liberty and what Ron Paul means...

    Mises and Austrian Economics: A Personal View
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    Of the Austrian School of Economics, correct. Well done!
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    from his creator....

    Ask him. He says he was born with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    from his creator....

    Ask him. He says he was born with them.
    If that was his drive, he wouldn't be running for office. Ask him.

    "'Well, at first I thought it was a very inappropriate question, you know, for the presidency to be decided on a scientific matter, and I think it's a theory, a theory of evolution, and I don't accept it, you know, as a theory, but I think [it probably doesn't bother me. It's not the most important issue for me to make the difference in my life to understand the exact origin. I think] the Creator that I know created us, everyone of us, and created the universe, and the precise time and manner, I just don't think we're at the point where anybody has absolute proof on either side. [So I just don't...if that were the only issue, quite frankly, I would think it's an interesting discussion, I think it's a theological discussion, and I think it's fine, and we can have our...if that were the issue of the day, I wouldn't be running for public office.'
    "As you can see, half of RP's words were censored. His real message was, 'We're fighting for freedom and can't afford to be split over a debate about fossils.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    When you read Austrian Economics and other writings of the adherents of that school, you then understand the framework of liberty and what Ron Paul means...

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    Unfortunately, I have not read the Austrian economic philosophy; however, I happen to own an Austrian Glock 20 10mm
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    He is a prophet! He has a direct line to GOD!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athan View Post
    He is a prophet! He has a direct line to GOD!
    What's his number? Seriously though...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rothbard
    "The believer in a rationally established natural law must, then, face the hostility of both camps: the one group sensing in this position an antagonism toward religion; and the other group suspecting that God and mysticism are being slipped in by the back door. To the first group, it must be said that they are reflecting an extreme Augustinian position which held that faith rather than reason was the only legitimate tool for investigating man's nature and man's proper ends. In short, in this fideist tradition, theology had completely displaced philosophy. [3] The Thomist tradition, on the contrary, was precisely the opposite: vindicating the independence of philosophy from theology and proclaiming the ability of man's reason to understand and arrive at the laws, physical and ethical, of the natural order. If belief in a systematic order of natural laws open to discovery by man's reason is per se anti-religious, then anti-religious also were St. Thomas and the later Scholastics, as well as the devout Protestant jurist Hugo Grotius. The statement that there is an order of natural law, in short, leaves open the problem of whether or not God has created that order; and the assertion of the viability of man's reason to discover the natural order leaves open the question of whether or not that reason was given to man by God. The assertion of an order of natural laws discoverable by reason is, by itself, neither pro- nor anti-religious.[4]"
    Leave whatever "god" is out of if thanks. It's completely irrelevant to political philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    Leave whatever "god" is out of if thanks. It's completely irrelevant to political philosophy.

    “I have accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior, and I endeavor every day to follow Him in all I do and in every position I advocate.”

    -Ron Paul
    "But it is to Christianity that we owe individual freedom and capitalism. ;It is no coincidence that capitalism developed in Christian Europe after the transnational church limited the state. In ancient Greece and Rome, the individual was merely part of the city state or the empire, unimportant in his own right. Christianity changed that by stressing the infinite worth of each individual soul."

    -Murray Rothbard
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    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    "But it is to Christianity that we owe individual freedom and capitalism. ;It is no coincidence that capitalism developed in Christian Europe after the transnational church limited the state. In ancient Greece and Rome, the individual was merely part of the city state or the empire, unimportant in his own right. Christianity changed that by stressing the infinite worth of each individual soul."
    Does anyone have a counter argument to this?
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    Conza you should realize that Austrian Economics is not a normative pronouncement. You can be an Austrian Economist and a Socialist if you so happen to believe that being poor and destitute is preferable for instance or you believe in egalitarianism, or something. In other words -- Classical Liberalism / libertarianism has nothing to do with Austrian Economics. It just so happens Austrian Economics gives us valuable insights which, most people value prosperity so, they promote actions which increases our prosperity, hence, them then being Classical Liberals / libertarians.

    Ron Paul got his economic ideas from Austrians, and his Political ideas from Classical Liberals / libertarians such as Lysander Spooner and William Graham Sumner for instance.
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    This video is showing the true meaning of awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Econ Disciple View Post
    Conza you should realize that
    I already do. I've made the same point to many others, many times before. I can go quote if you wish. I responded to dismissive comment lazily, add the label of 'Austro-Libertarian' then. Yes, I understand the distinction clearly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Austrian Econ Disciple View Post
    Ron Paul got his economic ideas from Austrians, and his Political ideas from Classical Liberals / libertarians such as Lysander Spooner and William Graham Sumner for instance.
    He got his political philosophy ideas from folks like Murray N. Rothbard, For a New Liberty, Abolish Government by Lysander Spooner and Democracy: The God that Failed by Hans-Hermann Hoppe.

    Voluntarists. Not classical liberals. The above is part of his recommended reading list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hospitaller View Post
    Does anyone have a counter argument to this?
    That presumes an argument was actually made. And I'd like to see the primary source thanks. Not secondary, and not out of context. Then I'll offer what I'm going to say anyway (more than the below quote).

    In "Big-Government Libertarians," MNR:

    "Libertarianism is logically consistent with almost any attitude toward culture, society, religion, or moral principle. In strict logic, libertarian political doctrine can be severed from all other considerations; logically one can be - and indeed most libertarians in fact are: hedonists, libertines, immoralists, militant enemies of religion in general and Christianity in particular - and still be consistent adherents of libertarian politics. In fact, in strict logic, one can be a consistent devotee of property rights politically and be a moocher, a scamster, and a petty crook and racketeer in practice, as all too many libertarians turn out to be. Strictly logically, one can do these things, but psychologically, sociologically, and in practice, it simply doesn't work that way."
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    Conza,

    If secularism is the foundation that brings voluntarism to societies, why isn't Europe a voluntarist dream land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    Ron Paul says that "ideas are the only things that count". So where do Ron Paul's ideas come from?
    Is that really a quote of Ron Paul? It is mistaken. Many times, and perhaps most of the time, ideas without action are worthless, save as titillations to the mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    [The founding fathers...] Of the Austrian School of Economics, correct. Well done!
    Is there no direct quote from Dr. Paul on this? I am not terribly fond of placing such words into anyone's mouth.

    For myself I can say that my ideas came primarily from within myself, from the innate sense of sovereignty that I can recall experiencing even as a very young person. Many years of thought, reading, and discussion helped bring those thoughts and feelings into sharper focus and better articulation, but they originated within myself and I might be willing to bet a small sum that the same is so for many people, maybe even Ron Paul. Perhaps it is a personality type and some do not hold such a sense of individuality. I cannot speak for others.

    Anyone have a quote from RP on this question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AquaBuddha2010 View Post
    Conza,

    If secularism is the foundation that brings voluntarism to societies, why isn't Europe a voluntarist dream land?
    Did you miss the point where religion is directly irrelevant to political philosophy? You can be religious, or anti-religious - you have the FREEDOM to do so.

    Your question is built on a strawman premise. Try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    "As you can see, half of RP's words were censored. His real message was, 'We're fighting for freedom and can't afford to be split over a debate about fossils.'"
    Agreed. The large network media are all scum for their dishonest editing - whether against RP or anyone else. It is disgusting.

    That said, in some ways Ron is not very cagey at all - something I admire in some ways but also recognize as a terrible drawback in a game where forthrightness can be turned fatally against one. I would have stated things differently, perhaps to no better effect, but I would have left "them" with a far narrower choice than editing; basically whether to air my words at all. IMO a key strategy in dealing with the media for persons such as RP is to give them very little with which to work. This paints them into corners where edits become more obvious. This is a VERY tough thing to do and one has to be extremely fast on the feet to produce responses that are difficult to edit without screwing the pooch, but I think it is a goal toward which all persons of RP's ilk must aspire in order to neutralize the power of dishonest media to the greatest extent possible.
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    The monster saw my determination in my face and gnashed his teeth in the impotence of anger. "Shall each man," cried he, "find a wife for his bosom, and each beast have his mate, and I be alone? I had feelings of affection, and they were requited by detestation and scorn. Man! You may hate, but beware! Your hours will pass in dread and misery, and soon the bolt will fall which must ravish from you your happiness forever. Are you to be happy while I grovel in the intensity of my wretchedness? You can blast my other passions, but revenge remains--revenge, henceforth dearer than light or food! I may die, but first you, my tyrant and tormentor, shall curse the sun that gazes on your misery. Beware, for I am fearless and therefore powerful. I will watch with the wiliness of a snake, that I may sting with its venom. Man, you shall repent of the injuries you inflict.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Is that really a quote of Ron Paul? It is mistaken. Many times, and perhaps most of the time, ideas without action are worthless, save as titillations to the mind.
    Yes, it is. No, it's not mistaken.


    "But in the US, his books now become instant best-sellers and he tours university campuses pushing a libertarian agenda. Where once he believed he was seeding the ground for a movement that would triumph well after his own career is over, to his own astonishment, policies he has espoused to almost universal ridicule for decades might just be about to go into law.

    And this is why the economic and political establishment fears Ron Paul as one of the most dangerous men in America. His innocuous-sounding plan to subject the US central bank to a regular audit of its activities is a Trojan horse for the wider aim to End the Fed – the title of his latest book. Behind the liberal-sounding policies lies an audacious agenda to erase 100 years of economic orthodoxy and take the US back to a Nineteenth-century version of every-man-for-himself capitalism. Inch by inch, he is making progress.

    "The college kids I think are interested in the anti-war position, in personal civil liberties and allowing them to do with their own lives what they want – but I tell them, if you ruin your own life don't come begging the government to take care of you."

    Paul greets The Independent at his rooms in Congress, decked out in the formal regalia of public office, with flags and seals, but with portraits in one corner that reveal his inspirations: members of the Austrian school of economists whose founder Friedrich von Hayek predicted government attempts to intervene in the economy would set their people on "the road to serfdom".

    "Ideas are the only things that count, and politicians are, for the most part, pretty much irrelevant," he says. "What was boiling out there I just brought to life. This material has been available in a quiet way on the internet and from a few libertarian think-tanks, but I was pretty shocked when college kids started calling out 'End the Fed, End the Fed.'"

    Growing up in Pittsburgh, Paul was fascinated by the jar of coins that his parents kept on the kitchen shelf. He became a stamp and coin collector – still is – and he is fascinated by what gives money value. He's got a proportion of his savings in gold. Currencies come and currencies go, he says, but when people wanted to escape Vietnam during the war, they paid with gold coins at the border. "Most people think gold is beautiful, that's why it's money. It's because it's beautiful and rare and divisible and it lasts a long time. We don't use lead."

    He decided to go into politics on the day, in 1971, when Richard Nixon said the dollar could no longer be exchanged for gold. Since then, the global financial architecture has been built entirely on the world's faith in the good credit of the US government. Paul is crouched under it, convinced the architecture will collapse."


    Ideas without action are worthless.... yes, did you watch the video in this thread? Ideas are what matters, politicians are irrelevant does NOT thus mean, do nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    Is there no direct quote from Dr. Paul on this? I am not terribly fond of placing such words into anyone's mouth.

    For myself I can say that my ideas came primarily from within myself, from the innate sense of sovereignty that I can recall experiencing even as a very young person. Many years of thought, reading, and discussion helped bring those thoughts and feelings into sharper focus and better articulation, but they originated within myself and I might be willing to bet a small sum that the same is so for many people, maybe even Ron Paul. Perhaps it is a personality type and some do not hold such a sense of individuality. I cannot speak for others.

    Anyone have a quote from RP on this question?
    Yes, and I have already referenced the link. Introduction (more there), great read.


    "I decided to run for Congress because of the disaster of wage and price controls imposed by the Nixon administration in 1971. When the
    stock market responded euphorically to the imposition of these controls and the closing of the gold window, and the U.S. Chamber of
    Commerce and many other big business groups gave enthusiastic support, I decided that someone in politics had to condemn the controls, and offer the alternative that could explain the past and give hope for the future: the Austrian economists’ defense of the free market. At the time I was convinced, like Ludwig von Mises, that no one could succeed in politics without serving the special interests of some politically powerful pressure group."[...]

    Because of my interest in individual liberty and the free market, I became closely associated over the years with friends and students of Mises, those who knew the greatness of Mises from a long-term personal friendship with him. My contact, however, was always through his writings, except on one occasion. In 1971, during a busy day in my medical office, I took a long lunch to drive 60 miles to the University of Houston to hear one of the last formal lectures Mises gave—this one on socialism.

    Although 90 a the time, he was most impressive, and his presentation inspired me to more study of Austrian economics. My subsequent meetings and friendship with the late Leonard Read and his Foundation for Economic Education also inspired me to work harder for a society unhampered by government intrusion into our personal and economic lives. My knowledge has been encouraged and bolstered through the extraordinary work of the Mises Institute, with its many publications and conferences, and its inspiring work among students choosing academic careers.

    My friendships with two important students of Mises, Hans Sennholz and Murray Rothbard, were especially helpful in getting first-hand explanations of how the market functions. They helped me to refine my answers to the continual barrage of statist legislation that dominates the U.S. Congress. Their personal assistance was invaluable to me in my educational and political endeavors."


    @all - Reality folks. Accept it. Don't be like some moderators here at this forum who called individuals who went to Mises.org (to study Austrian Economics) trolls. They were simply following the suggestions and recommendations of Ron Paul. Embrace it, don't hate it.
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    “I have many friends in the libertarian movement who look down on those of us who get involved in political activity,” he acknowledged, but “eventually, if you want to bring about changes … what you have to do is participate in political action.” -- Ron Paul
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    “I have many friends in the libertarian movement who look down on those of us who get involved in political activity,”
    he acknowledged, but "eventually, if you want to bring about changes … what you have to do is participate in political
    action.
    ” -- Ron Paul


    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conza88 View Post
    @all - Reality folks. Accept it. Don't be like some moderators here at this forum who called individuals who went to Mises.org (to study Austrian Economics) trolls. They were simply following the suggestions and recommendations of Ron Paul. Embrace it, don't hate it.
    Actually, Conza, a few were called trolls in the past because of this thread over on Mises.org mentioning plans to come over to RonPaulForums to convert minarchist to anarchists. Interestingly enough, you were in that thread too.
    http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/8184.aspx
    “I have many friends in the libertarian movement who look down on those of us who get involved in political activity,”
    he acknowledged, but "eventually, if you want to bring about changes … what you have to do is participate in political
    action.
    ” -- Ron Paul


    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I'm sorry, was that quote meant to be a "refutation" of anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Actually, Conza, a few were called trolls in the past because of this thread over on Mises.org mentioning plans to come over to RonPaulForums to convert minarchist to anarchists. Interestingly enough, you were in that thread too.
    http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/8184.aspx
    LibertyEagle, interestingly enough - my posts in that thread are near exact replicas of word for words posts I had made here, prior to the creation of that thread. Funnily enough, when I wrote that exact post I had YOU in mind as the number 2 two of minarchist. The intellectually dishonest and close minded type.

    If you go look at my early posts here in this forum, I arrived largely ignorant of Austrian Economics and Libertarianism. I came from the DailyPaul. Keep diggin'.
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    Conza, you could benefit from reading this.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post3568127
    “I have many friends in the libertarian movement who look down on those of us who get involved in political activity,”
    he acknowledged, but "eventually, if you want to bring about changes … what you have to do is participate in political
    action.
    ” -- Ron Paul


    "We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% the same on issues." "People Try To Drive Wedges Between Rand And Me." --Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athan View Post
    He is a prophet! He has a direct line to GOD!
    If you are Christian, you believe EVERYONE has a direct line to God.

    But I don't even get your point with threads like this, because no one here, whether they believe in God or not, thinks Ron Paul is God. And wouldn't just change our entire philosophy because he did. We'd have to agree with it. We support him because we agree with him, and because of his remarkable consistency and integrity. We don't worship him.
    Last edited by sailingaway; 09-18-2011 at 10:22 AM.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Conza, you could benefit from reading this.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post3568127
    And you could benefit from actually listening to Ron Paul.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFYRHZpavX4#t=324s

    "The most important thing is to understand the philosophy and the issues."

    That is literally his advice when asked what activists should do.
    “I will be as harsh as truth, and uncompromising as justice... I am in earnest, I will not equivocate, I will not excuse, I will not retreat a single inch, and I will be heard.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison

    Quote Originally Posted by TGGRV View Post
    Conza, why do you even bother? lol.
    Worthy Threads:
    Ignore: Xerographica, newbitech, Travlyr

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    Yeah Trav, most of RP's quotes in the video come from his latest book. Keep trying. It's explicitly clear. I think that's what the governments role SHOULD BE too. Whether IT ACTUALLY IS or NOT is a completely different question. And Ron Paul provides those answers.

    I respect the constitution compared to what we have now. RP talking about individuals and government, yeah self-government

    Quotes and Audio Clips


    0:04-0:09 - quote from Mises and Austrian Economics: A Personal View by Ron Paul

    0:07-0:11 - audio from Ron Paul at the MSNBC debate, 3rd May 2007. Full video.

    0:11-0:16 - quote from Ron Paul from Time Magazine.

    0:26-0:29 - quote from Mises and Austrian Economics: A Personal View by Ron Paul

    0:31-0:42 - quote from Human Action by Ludwig von Mises.

    0:46-1:39 - quote from The Revolution: A Manifesto by Ron Paul.

    2:00-2:05 - quote from The Revolution: A Manifesto by Ron Paul.

    2:07-2:12 - quote from Lew Rockwell in an interview for The Liberal Post.

    2:21-2:38 - quote from Murray Rothbard: In Memoriam chapter by Ron Paul.

    2:40-2:52 - quote from The Ethics of Liberty by Murray Rothbard.

    2:53-3:25 - quote from Ron Paul: A Most Unusual Politician by Murray Rothbard.

    4:46-4:49 - audio from Ron Paul interview with Adam Kokesh for Adam vs. The Man. Full video

    4:46-4:53 - quote from Freedom Under Siege by Ron Paul.

    4:55-5:03 - quote and audio from The Arena with Eliot Spitzer, CNN, 13th May 2011. Full video.

    5:06-5:13 - quote from Liberty Defined by Ron Paul.

    5:11-5:20 - audio of Ron Paul being interviewed for Motorhome Diaries. Full video.

    5:22-5:32 - quote from What is to be done? - 1961 Confidential Memorandum to the Volker Fund by Murray Rothbard.

    5:37-5:41 - quote from Ron Paul from Time Magazine.

    5:42-5:44 - audio from Ron Paul and Rand Paul interview by Neil Cavuto. Full video.

    5:42-5:47 - quote from Liberty Defined by Ron Paul.

    5:57-6:02 - quote from The Revolution: A Manifesto by Ron Paul.

    6:03-6:07 - quote from End The Fed by Ron Paul.

    6:13-6:21 - quote from No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority by Lysander Spooner.

    6:20-6:33 - quote and audio from question posed to Ron Paul after his speech at the New Hampshire Lincoln-Regan Dinner, 25th March 2011. Full video.

    6:23-6:33 - quote from Liberty Defined by Ron Paul.

    6:41-6:48 - audio of Ron Paul being interviewed for Motorhome Diaries. Full video.

    6:57-7:08 - audio of Ron Paul's speech at the Rally for the Republic. Full video.

    7:07-7:29 - quote from The Ethics of Liberty by Murray Rothbard.

    7:27-7:36 - audio from CNN Presidential Debate, 5th June 2007. Full video.

    7:38-7:47 - quote from Liberty Defined by Ron Paul.
    “I will be as harsh as truth, and uncompromising as justice... I am in earnest, I will not equivocate, I will not excuse, I will not retreat a single inch, and I will be heard.” ~ William Lloyd Garrison

    Quote Originally Posted by TGGRV View Post
    Conza, why do you even bother? lol.
    Worthy Threads:
    Ignore: Xerographica, newbitech, Travlyr

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