What do you think of Land Value Tax (LVT)

[redbluepill]

Seems somebody is confused as to this being a libertarian forum. LOL

I guess the term geoLIBERTARIAN means nothing to you then.

[redbluepill]

Well, it gets warped pretty badly once you give the politicians that inch they want. I've seen the mentality of the appraisal district. It becomes "we need to do our job, or we face the lawyers from the taxpayer, state, or entities". You can have this or that philosophy to justify it, but once you get lawyers involved, it becomes less humane to attempt being fair. Taxpayers will rat out their neighbors, they will bring in lawyers. What you have is an unachievable ideal after enough time passes. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Georgists are for the LVT because they are well aware that government is easily corrupted. Only one tax, which will keep corporatist lobbying and tax evading politicians in check, while promoting the growth of the economy by allowing citizens to keep their paychecks and capital untaxed. It would help a lot against corruption.

[WilliamC]

And it wouldn't happen.

Ah, if the appropriate safeguards were in place to ensure that people could not be evicted from their paid for residences (and I mean paid off the mortgage paid for) if they wind up too impoverished to pay taxes then perhaps I am more willing to consider a LVT.

I don't care if granny is living in a condo or a shack or on a 1000 acre estate, if it's hers and she's lived on it and wants to die on it then the State can damn well wait till she's dead before they try and redistribute it.

As for taxing rents or other income that someone makes as a result of working the land, well if someone is earning money as a result of their owning land then that's something that can be considered for taxing, but I don't know if it would rightly be considered property tax per se.

And I don't think I even have a huge problem with local governments having the authority to impose property taxes, but I think it should be local as property values themselves are often completely dependent upon their location.

But the idea of a Federal or Global government deciding what property taxes should be and when they should be paid and woe be it to anyone unable to pay because 'poof' you get kicked out of your home, no, that's not something I'd ever support.

And I've spent time conversing with georgists in the past who would never ever come out and say they were against this happening, which makes me suspectious that some try to use georgism as a route to communism.

[redbluepill]

Incorrect. Lands owners have to maintain the land to prevent it from losing value. Check your premises-they're still wrong, as are your conclusions(ditto for Roy L).

Renters are paying for the privilege to be on the landlord's land, not necessarily for the improvements.

[Dr.3D]

I guess the term geoLIBERTARIAN means nothing to you then.

Doesn't matter because a great many people in these forums are not Libertarian. Best as I can tell, this is not a Libertarian forum.

[redbluepill]

Ah, if the appropriate safeguards were in place to ensure that people could not be evicted from their paid for residences (and I mean paid off the mortgage paid for) if they wind up too impoverished to pay taxes then perhaps I am more willing to consider a LVT.

I don't care if granny is living in a condo or a shack or on a 1000 acre estate, if it's hers and she's lived on it and wants to die on it then the State can damn well wait till she's dead before they try and redistribute it.

The shack certainly is granny's as she either built it herself or paid others to build it for her. And her shack wouldn't be taxed under the LVT.

As for taxing rents or other income that someone makes as a result of working the land, well if someone is earning money as a result of their owning land then that's something that can be considered for taxing, but I don't know if it would rightly be considered property tax per se.

Property tax as it is now is corrupt and discourages productive activity. We all want a healthy economy, why then should we fine those who who contribute to that economy?

And I don't think I even have a huge problem with local governments having the authority to impose property taxes, but I think it should be local as property values themselves are often completely dependent upon their location.

Most geoists, especially geoanarchists are very much for a decentralized government where the LVT would be in place locally.

But the idea of a Federal or Global government deciding what property taxes should be and when they should be paid and woe be it to anyone unable to pay because 'poof' you get kicked out of your home, no, that's not something I'd ever support.

I would not support that either. It wouldn't make sense for a Georgist to say everyone has right to access the land the Lord provided them and then say its okay for the government to kick them off that land. But it would mean the government will not recognize that individual's privilege to deny others access to that land.

And I've spent time conversing with georgists in the past who would never ever come out and say they were against this happening, which makes me suspectious that some try to use georgism as a route to communism.

Well I think Roy and I have made clear our strong opposition to communism and socialism. So did Henry George:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...DA415B848CF1D3

It is true that socialists like Dennis Kucinich and Ralph Nader have spoken positively of George in the past. But then again, they both have spoken positively of Ron Paul as well.

[redbluepill]

Doesn't matter because a great many people in these forums are not Libertarian. Best as I can tell, this is not a Libertarian forum.

Unless you have a great many trolls on this forum I don't think that's true at all.

[Dr.3D]

Unless you have a great many trolls on this forum I don't think that's true at all.

Perhaps you are confusing libertarian with Libertarian.

[redbluepill]

Perhaps you are confusing libertarian with Libertarian.

I did mean libertarian. I capitalized all the words for emphasis. Not just the 'l'.

[Dr.3D]

I did mean libertarian. I capitalized all the words for emphasis. Not just the 'l'.

Just so you know, I'm not a Libertarian.