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Thread: The Jobs Plan War - Does Paul even have a plan?

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    The Jobs Plan War - Does Paul even have a plan?

    Both Obama and Romney plan to unveil their job plans on September 6th, the day after Labor Day. Very little is known about Romney's plan other than "he's run businesses and knows how to create jobs". Much more is known about Obama's:

    QE3
    A national infrastructure bank that pushes much of the cost on state and local gvmt.
    extending unemployment
    a job training program
    more foreign trade agreements - outsourcing jobs overseas that americans don't want
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-ro..._b_933038.html

    and in general more of what hasn't worked in the past.

    But what about Paul? Does he even have a job plan? There is certainly not one under issues on his campaign web site. A quick scan of the Ron Paul on the issues section here didn't find a thread eithor. I did find this interview from February with Gretchen Carlson that talked about the issue, however:

    http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-02-09/ro...-are-the-jobs/

    "Ron Paul: Well, I want to get the people, and especially the people here in the Congress, to understand why monetary policy is so important. And how the Fed is really the biggest contributor to unemployment. They manipulate the entire economy through fixing interest rates and expanding money and decide they can plan the economy. But they create boom times. So they do create better times. But that inevitably leads to the bust, and that’s the recession. You have unemployment because of the recession. But so far, nobody has recognized why we have the recession. Because now, most people are advocating more spending and more inflation…print more money. And it just doesn’t work. So, we have to understand monetary policy if we want to turn this economy around.

    Gretchen Carlson: So, so many people who are unemployed right now, or who may become unemployed, are asking this question of you this morning, Congressman. What can you do in these hearings to try and get some of those jobs back?

    Ron Paul: Expose the truth. Because if people don’t understand what’s going on in the Fed, which means that we need to have more transparency and more auditing, then we can’t do our reforms. And then the reforms will come. But right now, there’s no waving of the wand. The most important thing that we could do in policy is to allow all the mistakes made in the economy for the past 30 years to be corrected. That means liquidation of debt and allow prices to go down. But we’re doing everything differently. The Fed and the Congress want to keep prices up. And they won’t allow the debt to be liquidated. They keep propping up bad debt. As long as you do that, you prolong the agony. We did it in the depression and the Japanese have done it for 20, 30 years and we’re embarked on the same course."

    That's hard to fit into a sound bite, let alone for the average person to wrap their mind around. "Audit the Fed and correct monetary policy" is not exactly what most people would call a job plan.

    Anyone here know if he's talked more on this and presented other ideas?

    When I hear business owners talk, they say the reasons they are not hiring is uncertainty about Obamacare and future regulatory burden. When McDonalds got a waiver on Obamacare they turned arround and had a huge hiring day where they picked up something like 50,000 new employees. So perhaps a all out war on regulation should be a centerpiece of any job plan.

    The Heritage Foundation in a report titled: Red Tape Rising - Obama's torrent of new regulation:

    http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...new-regulation

    Mentions that the current regulatory burden on business is $1.75 Trillion dollars a year. That is 12.3% of GDP, and a tax that is passed on to consumers. A hidden tax. It costs jobs too:

    "Limits on “effluent” discharges from construction sites imposed by the EPA. Annual cost: $810.8 million. The cost of the requirements will force the closure of 147 construction firms and the loss of 7,257 jobs, according to the EPA. Homebuyers also will bear some of the costs, with an increase in mortgage costs of about $1,953."

    Many other examples in that document.

    There was also this recently:

    Getting ready for a wave of coal-plant shutdowns
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...Z0PJ_blog.html

    "Over the next 18 months, the Environmental Protection Agency will finalize a flurry of new rules to curb pollution from coal-fired power plants. Mercury, smog, ozone, greenhouse gases, water intake, coal ash—it’s all getting regulated. And, not surprisingly, some lawmakers are grumbling."

    "The regulations, they say, will cost utilities up to $129 billion and force them to retire one-fifth of coal capacity. Given that coal provides 45 percent of the country’s power, that means higher electric bills, more blackouts and fewer jobs."

    But the EPA isn't the only bad guy out there - all regulatory agencies share in this. The FDA is largely responsible for health care costs being unaffordable and not able to be paid for out of pocket as they used to be.

    So does Paul have a job creation plan?
    If so, what is it?

    He could definitely get press and a seat at the table if he released his plan on September 6th too.

    -t
    Last edited by tangent4ronpaul; 08-23-2011 at 09:03 AM.



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    You are correct, he needs to come up with a succinct specific plan and post it on the site. Actual legislation that will be proposed, and what he thinks it will gain in terms of jobs. Hell, take some of the donation money and pay a few respected austrian economists to write one up that he can review/approve.

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    I think it's all theater... Congress should be repealing legislation (cut spending)... all of these jobs plans that candidates come up with, even when they win, never get implemented. It's all theater to somehow use lousy macroeconomic models to show how wonderful/smart you are... I think this is part of the reason RP doesn't do this. But I agree - you have to play their silly game. He should present a uniform plan that shows what he'd like to see done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamse7en View Post
    I think it's all theater... Congress should be repealing legislation (cut spending)... all of these jobs plans that candidates come up with, even when they win, never get implemented. It's all theater to somehow use lousy macroeconomic models to show how wonderful/smart you are... I think this is part of the reason RP doesn't do this. But I agree - you have to play their silly game. He should present a uniform plan that shows what he'd like to see done.
    Right, obviously his default would be to say that constitutionally that is the job of congress; but he still should come up with his own plan/suggestion.

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    He can address 2 things at once by explaining why Military Keynesianism is bad for the economy -- just as he did on the Concord Monitor video.

    Even if you take a relatively cheap helicopter like the Chinook carrying Navy Seals in Afghanistan, the $40 million spent on the helicopter was effectively wasted when it was shot down. Just imagine what $40 million could have done to repair the country's infrastructure. Even better would be to spend $20 million on roads and the other $20 to pay down the debt, so we can restore our AAA rating.

    That's highlighting 5 things in one paragraph.
    - unnecessary afghanistan war
    - military spending
    - spending money locally
    - restoring the US's rating
    - improving the economy

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    As hopeful as I am that he wins, this is why I am skeptical that Dr. Paul has a chance to even win the nomination let alone the election. He needs to dumb his plans down for the typical American idiot.

    Instead of giving his standard answer he needs to say something like:

    My jobs plan is as follows. We move to a strong dollar policy which lowers prices for all consumers and attracts investment capital into the economy. We stop bailing out the failed institutions and allow them to fail so that when the smoke clears successful institutions will hire and take their place. We cut spending on our overseas empire and cut taxes and regulation to loosen the chokehold on business. It will hurt for a little while, but we will bounce back stronger than ever before and be able to sustain it with the right policies in place.

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    anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    anyone else?
    There has to be short-term immediate plan and then a longer-term view.

    Short term:
    * attack regulation and policy uncertainty
    Specifically:
    * Obamacare
    * Start putting America's Energy assets to work
    * Lower taxes to encourage big business to repatriate capital
    * Reform taxes and spending for the long haul, stop these political games BOTH parties play with temporary tax cuts, and potential spending cuts.
    * Audit the Fed
    * Bring troops home so they spend money in the US instead of the Middle East.

    Long term:
    * Address the monetary system
    * Strengthen the Dollar
    * Shift the foreign policy so that instead of leading with our Military, we are leading with Trade. The American Consumer (The People!) are the world economic driver and we can create a more safe world and a better economic world by TRADING with these nations as opposed to dropping bombs.



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    Anyone else notice Obama's hypocrisy about regulation reform today? Their are articles about it and the talking heads are discussing it, but it's being drown out by the quake and Lybia.

    Basically he wants to cut 10 Billion in regulatory burden over 5 years. That's 2 Billion a year.

    His administration added 26+ Billion in regulatory burden just in 2010.

    Total regulatory burden to business is 1.7 TRILLION a year!

    2 Billion - WHAT A JOKE! - He seriously thinks this is going to create jobs? - lol!

    -t

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    The government should be responsible for cutting jobs, not creating them. I know that's not a good political answer, but I have a hard time believing Ron Paul would have a "jobs plan" because fantasy isn't really his thing.

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    Plans are for those who wish to control from the top down.

    Ron Pauls policies will let the free market create jobs from the bottom up.
    Ron Paul: He irritates more idiots in fewer words than any American politician ever.

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    Freedom = jobs.
    Huey P. Long, "The Kingfish"
    Former Governor, Senator and leading opponent of the Big Bankers.
    Kingfish Consulting: Experience winning elections, since 1928.

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    My job plan:
    First we eliminate regulations that make it hard for small businesses to grow, and new businesses to start which will help improve job growth among America's strongest economic sector, our small businesses.
    Second, we stop all wasteful spending on unconstitutional programs which destroy America's credit rating, devalues the dollar, and depletes the savings of America's workers and employers. This obviously includes foreign aid and military support to middle eastern militant regimes.
    Third, we change the economic policy of this country to support a strong dollar and low taxes which will encourage big businesses to stop outsourcing and bring jobs back home.
    My plan recognizes that the government doesn't create jobs, the Private sector creates jobs, and we just need to provide the right business friendly climate for that to happen.

    The official campaign my use or edit anything I post here for a good 30 second sound bite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangent4ronpaul View Post
    anyone else?
    Yeah... sure:

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...s-Jobs-Program

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    If he repeals NAFTA and withdraws from the WTO, he will be the biggest job creator since this country was founded.
    Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and define you.
    Thomas Jefferson

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    Get the government out of the way, balance the budget, and the economic explosion and resulting job growth will be the best this country has seen in decades.
    Rand Paul is in the top 1% of US Senators.



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    Neither presidents nor governments create jobs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Inflation View Post
    Doctor Paul has cracked the internet codes; he runs these tubes.

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    Ron Paul needs to submit a DETAILED JOBS PLAN...

    just as Herman Cain and John Huntsman have and as Obama soon will. He needs to submit it at the perfect time of course, being mindful that it isn't stolen by people like Bachmann or Perry.

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    I'd like it to start with:

    1. Suspend the income tax for three years to stimulate the economy. (what would replace it? nothing)

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    Ron Paul believes it constitutionally limited government, any jobs created are side effects of that.

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    I'm pretty sure I saw something about this yesterday. He seems to have one. I'll post it when I see it.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

    "Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden

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    Ron Paul Campaign Releases Statement on Jobs Report

    End wars, spending and reintroduce sound money

    Lake Jackson, Texas- The Ron Paul 2012 Presidential Campaign released the following statement from National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton in response to the U.S. Department of Labor’s August 2011 Employment Situation Summary:

    “The August national unemployment rate of 9.1 percent is another unfortunate chapter in the Obama administration’s almost superhuman mishandling of the economy. Total nonfarm employment was unchanged, withzero jobs created. The number of involuntary part-time workers is up, and the number of those marginally attached to the workforce is up.

    “Six million workers, 42.9 percent of total unemployed persons, have been jobless 27 weeks or longer – a frightening proposition considering that mortgage, rent, food and back-to-school bills may go unpaid. The most recent four-week moving average of new unemployment claims, favored for being a less volatile indicator of our jobs picture, is a frowning 410,250 – also cause for dismay.

    Much more...
    http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/09/0...n-jobs-report/



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    It's here http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/09/0...n-jobs-report/

    But we have two threads on the same thing. Can a mod merge them.
    Last edited by InTradePro; 09-02-2011 at 07:04 PM.

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    he should also body slam nafta!!!
    2016 gop est business as usual, rules do not apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speciallyblend View Post
    he should also body slam nafta!!!

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    bump *read above post* ^^^

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    Sell Congress to Wall Street and The Senate to Israel who can use the 3 trillion Dov Zakheim stole from the Pentagoons. Use the cash to buy Mexico and hire all the illegals back there to fix it up and we can flip it for a profit. Then we use the profit to build robocop border patrol bots, putting tech and parts companies back to work and using the US video gamers brainpower pool we have developed to run them from a Command and Control bunker like their mom's basement, with tort lawyers getting business when the things misfire as well as the medical industry trades. Then we get DARPA to make a faster trading algorithm to grab the cash back from Wall Street in nanosecond transactions, putting our nuclear simulation supercomputers to good use and use that to pay down the debt. We use the leftover cash to buy back Congress and the Senate to do the will of The People, rebooting the accounting and cogitator trades and luxury goods purveyors, madames and escort services and whatnot.

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    What is this ludicrous idea that the government needs to create jobs and have job plans? The free market is the job plan and the job creator. Enough is enough.

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