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    Not sure if this was posted here, I searched and couldn't find anything. Anyways, this is good coverage!

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...uls-gunpo.html

    Ron Paul's Gunpowder Plot


    November 02, 2007 6:12 PM

    ABC's Z. Byron Wolf Reports from South Carolina: It's sort of an odd allusion for a fundraising campaign in these days of hypersensitivity to terrorism, even if the Congressman it will benefit is running for president as a Libertarian Republican spoiler who wants to drastically change the way government runs in Washington.

    But there was Ron Paul on the stump at Clemson in South Carolina telling a group of several hundred students and supporters, "Remember, remember the 5th of November."

    In this case, he was referring to a fundraising drive and not a plot specifically to blow anything up. Maybe the apple cart.

    The catchy slogan comes from a nursery rhyme about Guy Fawkes, the 17th Century crusader for Catholics rights caught in the basement of Parliament with 36 barrels of gunpowder. He failed in his mission to blow the place up.

    Paul clarified at the rally that he is not involved in this particular fundraising effort.

    But on their website with a call "for the largest one day political donation in history," Paul supporters want to ignite a monetary bomb of their own. They hope for 100,000 subscribers to raise $10 million bucks for Paul on that day. They have a ways to go over the weekend - the site lists 15,991 subscribers as of late Friday.

    The Paul campaign has set an official goal of raising $12 million by the end of the year.

    Perhaps it's a stretch, but if Parliament is anything like Congress, its an allegorical explosion in the place where Paul casts votes every day as a Republican Congressman from Texas.

    The Guy Fawkes theme is not new in popular culture. But in recent years, allusions have seen the plot succeed -- or at least envisioned a boom.

    It's the topic of the John Lennon song "Remember" from his Plastic Ono Band Album.

    The end of the song goes like this: "If you ever feel so sad, And the whole world is driving you mad, Remember, remember today. Don't feel sorry, 'Bout the way it's gone, Don't you worry, 'Bout what you've done, Remember, remember the fifth of November. (Boom)"

    The Guy Fawkes scenario is also the subject of the dystopic 2005 Big Brother-style fantasy thriller "V for Vendetta" in which a Guy Fawkes caped crusader succeeds in blowing up Parliament.



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    That doesn't seem negative. And the person who wrote the article "gets it".

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    Yea, it's good except the first line

    "even if the Congressman it will benefit is running for president as a Libertarian Republican spoiler"

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    This is a very positive posting. Hope for more of the same.

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    Just brings more people to the cause.

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    wow. great article. even we havent articulated it that well. lol



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    Haha this is great they even gave thisnovember5th some linkage.

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    If you do a little research into the time period, you will find that Catholics in England were persecuted in a manner not dissimilar to Jews in Germany in the late 1930's.

    The Catholic religion was basically banned. Priests were driven underground and if you were caught practicing the Catholic religion you were either sent away to the dungeon or killed summarily.

    Guy Fawkes was a Catholic who was fighting against religious persecution - just as those who first settled this country left England due to religious persecution and just as our constitution separates church and state so we don't have state sponsored religion and the ensuing persecution.

    I had never heard of Guy Fawkes or this "V" movie before the 5th site came about, but with some research, it seems his motives were noble, though one can argue whether blowing up an oppressive royal family and their parliament was the proper way to go about things.

    Ron Paul would say negotiate and talk, but RP would also agree that our own revolution against England, which boiled down to a violent war, was needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brumans View Post
    Yea, it's good except the first line

    "even if the Congressman it will benefit is running for president as a Libertarian Republican spoiler"
    When I read that all I heard was, Blah Blah Blah.

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    Some really good comments on that article as well. BillydKid reply was good, I liked it.
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    Yeah, I have to admit it was fairly decent.

    Thanks ABC!

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    surprisingly evenhanded given all the implications of guy fawkes/5th of november

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    Interesting. If we can pull this off it WILL make headlines!
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    Well this shows that even reporters can seperate fantasy from reality

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    Not really...even a blind hog roots up an acorn now and then.
    Why can't everybody else leave everybody else alone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsDoodahs View Post
    Not really...even a blind hog roots up an acorn now and then.
    A broken clock is right twice a day.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    I think this is a good sign of how most people will view the November 5th drive as just a sort of poetic commentary on our state of government. Obviously the Paul skeptics will use it for other purposes, but I think most are going to go about it like this guy did.

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    If you read the comments after that article, there are some great ones (overwhelmingly in favor of Ron Paul). Very intelligent and obviously well researched. the only negative comments resorting to namecalling, and ignorance. This is really a lot of fun. There is no credible argument that can be made about Ron Paul without admitting that you are done with the constitution, and if that is the case, they are welcome to move abroad.
    There's a new phrase for honesty, integrity, and common sense in government. It's called "Ron Paulitics"

    We are "Liberty Republicans"

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    I hope that every Catholic in America who came over from either England or Ireland (as my ancestors did) read up on Guy Fawkes if they haven't already, it will inspire them to donate, as it has me.

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    A lesson to be learned might be that everything we do, is what we make of it.

    It's up to us to spin things positively and stay inspired. Not the MSM.

    In fact, for such a large group of people who obsess about MSM bias, just as many of those people are quick to scan each article for validation of Dr. Paul's position, or retribution for inaccuracy.

    Just gotta keep campaigning, hopefully offline. Make it happen, don't wait for someone to write that it is happening to you or that you don't matter.
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    Gee I wonder if we should have another Money Bomb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Some really good comments on that article as well. BillydKid reply was good, I liked it.
    Damn, the remark I commented on from billydkid is now gone. wtf is that about.

    It was about the diversity of the supporters.
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    Great coverage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruckinMike View Post
    Gee I wonder if we should have another Money Bomb?

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    LMFAO I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!





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    Excellent article. That's fair and balanced right there.

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    Looks like some people are leaving some pretty intentionally negative and just flat out incorrect comments.

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    Our nation too was founded by a small group of ideologically motivated radicals who were willing to fight, to kill, and to die for the cause of intellectual, social, and economic liberty in the face of tyranny and oppression.

    They too by modern standards were in some ways deeply flawed, and very much products of their time, with all that involved.

    November 5th symbolizes this defiant, revolutionary spirit in the face of oppression, corruption, and tyranny that drives us still today as we now act through non-violent means to ignite a symbolic explosion of freedom across the bow of the political establishment to set the hearts and minds of the nation on fire with the cause of liberty.

    And it is a symbol that can not be hijacked like the false patriotism of candidates like Giuliani, Thompson, and Clinton.

    Remember, remember, the 5th of November!

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