Yes, in 2012 Ron Paul is 100% committed to winning this election
No, Ron Paul is trying to spread the message and influence future generations
It can be argued that in 2008, and definitely in 1988, Ron was only running to spread the message of liberty and not actually try to become the President. Do you believe he's doing the same in 2012?
Do you think he will win?
he has said he is "in it to win it." Does it get clearer than that?
It has to be BOTH. If he didn't educate people about Constitution & people's right to life, liberty & property then we'll be back to same old, same old socialism & tyranny, & if he educates people about the Constitution & liberty in simple & easy to understand language then people will automatically vote for him because he'll be the overwhelmingly correct choice. So I don't think it has to be one or the other, it can be BOTH at the same time.
Last edited by Paul Or Nothing II; 07-03-2011 at 12:23 PM.
There is enormous inertia — a tyranny of the status quo — in private and especially governmental arrangements. Only a crisis — actual or perceived — produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable
- Milton Friedman
he says he's in it to win it. does ron paul lie?
He's in it to win.
Will he?
How many are staying out of the crucial pre-straw poll phase until he 'proves himself' to their satisfaction?
I'd hate that to be the margin of difference.
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Only Ron Paul himself knows the answer to this question and he has stated on more than one occasion that he is in it to win. I personally believe the man…
Glad to see 100% of people trust Ron Paul when he says "I am in it to win it." There's really no two ways about it.
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He answered this when he introduced the marijuana legislation w/ Barney Frank last week.
Also, when he mentioned heroin at the debate.
He is in it to win the war of ideas.
No, he answered it when he said "I want to win." Why don't you trust him on that? Also, he did NOT "mention" heroin at the debate. The moderator did by asking him that question.Originally Posted by Bama Boy
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and the 2012 election...
He did not 'mention heroin at the debate'. He was specifically asked about heroin and prostitution and when he tried to answer it in terms of reserved rights by the 1st, ninth and tenth amendments for religion etc., Wallace asked a follow up question specifying heroin.
And the DEA just came out with an enforcement memo saying they are going to crack down on medical marijuana providers and the farmers growing for those programs. Frank proposed this bill in response to that and asked Ron to join to increase its chance of passage. Ron isn't going to pretend it isn't an important issue when the need for action is specifically triggered, just because he is running for office.
That isn't called running an educational campaign, that is called having principles. Nowhere has he 'campaigned' on this.
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"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
He was "in it to win" last time too I think.
Oh I forgot about the OBL criticism and lack of debate prep.
Many of you are blinded by your admiration of his principle. Unfortunately MOST voters are not influenced by principle, but more by appearance, tone, "leadership", and confidence.
Maybe true to some level, but there is a growing number of people who realize there is more to political leadership than those traits you just mentioned. Ron Paul is the only person who doesn't flip flop, or have double standards. He also doesn't necessarily fail in all the above either.
I think he is in it to win. That he isn't doing what specific people want him to do doesn't mean that in his judgment this isn't being in it to win, he may just disagree.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
I think he is in it again for the ideas which I totally support. Winning the election is pretty meaningless for the long term if people do not come to accept the ideas of liberty. If he had to compromise his principles to win, I'd be totally against it and he would lose my support.
I think he would like to win, but isn't going to kill himself to get the victory. I do believe he has mostly surrounded himself with those who want him to win.
Do I honestly think he will win? No. I predict Obama will be reelected to a second term, which will leave it wide open for Rand in 2016.
Whatever. What you just said has no bearing on whether Ron Paul is serious about winning this. He can hold beliefs about campaigning that are different than yours and still be gunning for the win. It is possible, you know. If he was in it last time to win, then GOOD. He should always be in it to win, and I believe he is, but he believes he can do it in a slightly different manner than what you would prefer. You are too quick to jump to conclusions.
Also, you haven't answered my question. Why do you not trust Ron when he says that he is "in it to win."
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He was not in it to win last time. He hired staff to run an educational campaign and by the time he realized how much support there really was, it was too late to switch gears.
It is a whole new ballgame this time around. He is in it to win the presidency. Think about the things this time around that are already so different than last time. He has hired Doug Wead. He has the A Number 1 location at the Iowa Straw Poll. They have reached out for help in calling voters. Dr. Paul finally used his Christianity and his knowledge of the Bible to really talk to Christians in terms they understand about big government at the Faith and Freedom conference. And these things are just the tip of the iceberg.
Yes, he's in it to win. I guess the big question now is, are you going to sit back, or are you going to help?
There will be a certain group of people that, come the inauguration of President Paul, who will still swear he doesn't want to win.
So in short, with some people, it doesn't matter the level of clarity.
But Paul is in this to win and has been handling everything far better than the previous election cycle. This isn't about education (although that is an intentional effect of the campaign), this is about winning.
Ron Paul is the epitome of perseverance. He's been "winning" for 30 years. He puts his best effort into life, and that's all he can do... Since his first victory in office, his wife said that you have to be careful when you run for elections. You just might win.
I look at my life, which I'm quite happy with, and I think about how busy it is. I have no freak'n idea how Ron Paul leads such a productive life - let alone at his age. Still, I dont think he'd put the effort into something if he didnt think there would be reward... I'm fairly certain that reward is the nomination, this time around, and the ability to make a big(er) difference as POTUS.
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Gulag Prisoner: "For nothing at all."
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The more important question is: Are WE running to win?
Rand Paul is in the top 1% of US Senators.
He didn't bring up heroin. That's been covered.
If you support the War on Drugs, you are by definition pro-War, anti-life, and pro-murder and violence. There's no way around that.
Because of that ^ it has to be a campaign for IDEAS as well as to win. Because in order to win and move in a pro-liberty direction, the ideas are important. Taking anti-liberty stances to appease scumbags and murderers is not the way to go, IMHO. He's the liberty candidate. He's not going to win trying be Mitt Romney.
I would say both, while Ron wants to spread liberty for the future and future candidates, He's also way more committed to actually win this election unlike last time. But without the educational campaign last time, we wouldn't be where we are. So even if Ron doesn't win this election cycle, he is setting it up for future Liberty campaigns to have a good shot at winning.
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you callin our guy a liar????
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito
I don't understand why it can't be both. I don't believe he ran for president with no intention of winning last time around, and I certainly he didn't decide to run again, just to educate people. I think he wants to change the status quo, and is hoping to secure a spot in the White House, all the same time he is hoping to bring about change and revolution to the people. The OP is venting negative questions - try thinking positive. This is huge, the more positive you are, the more positive results you will see achieved. Ron is running for president, he will only win if we let him.
I thought Randy Jackson said that?
Ron Paul has been trudging the freedom football up the field for years, there's no reason we can't continue to do that while simultaneously going for the End Zone with an election Hail Mary pass.
1. The large majority of the American populace isn't libertarian
2. Ron Paul can be called very libertarian philosophically (even if he does not use that term to describe himself)
3. To win the presidency he has to influence/convert most voters more to his way of thinking
4. Therefor to win, his "campaign" (using the broadest sense of that word) has to be pretty educational in nature, especially so relative to the campaigns of other candidates.
Logically I have proven that it is vital for the campaign/grassroots to have an educational agenda in order to win, that it has to be a campaign of ideas.
Last edited by Andrew-Austin; 07-03-2011 at 08:43 PM.
He said that for his 2008 run as well, which was why he was the last to drop out.
Does it get any clearer then that?
From what I am seeing so far, this is starting to look like 2008 all over again. Once Ron dropped out in 2008, the media clammered to him, he was their media angel. Now, before he announced, that remained. Now that he has thrown his hat in, once again he is being treated like the crazy uncle, and they are being just as dismissive. There has been some improvement, Mike Wallace said he takes Ron much more seriously this time. Even Glenn Beck doesnt think Ron is as kooky as he used to. I dont see it being any different then before though, and honestly dont think the establishment will let Ron anywhere near the nomination. Even if Ron secures all the delegates needed for a landslide nomination, they will find some reason to give it to the number two.
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