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    'This revolution was a curse': Economic woes test Egypt
    'People in the neighborhood are talking about going back to the streets for another revolution — a hunger revolution'



    New York Times, MSN
    June 10, 2011


    Egypt’s economy, whose inequities and lack of opportunities helped topple a government, has now ground to a virtual halt, further wounded by the revolution itself.

    The 18-day revolt stopped new foreign investment and decimated the pivotal tourist industry. The annual growth slowed to less than 2 percent from a projected 5 percent, and Egypt’s hard currency reserves plunged 25 percent.

    In a region where economic woes enraged an entire generation, whether and how Egypt can fix its broken economy will be a crucial factor in determining the revolution’s success. It could also influence the outcome of the revolts across the Arab region, where economic troubles are stirring fears of continued instability, authoritarian crackdowns, or even a backlash against what had appeared to be a turn toward Western-style market reforms.

    “People are angry,” said Hassan Mahmoud, a resident of a slum near Cairo. He expected a better life after the revolution, he said, but instead he was laid off from his $10-a-day job in a souvenir factory. “People in the neighborhood are talking about going back to the streets for another revolution — a hunger revolution,” he said.
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    Flashback:





    The Middle East uprisings may have surprised most people in the world, but globalist elites at the Council on Foreign Relations laid the groundwork for the spontaneous events.


    Organized Chaos: Behind the Scenes in the Middle East


    William F. Jasper | The New American
    22 March 2011


    The Egyptian Revolution
    The problem with the Egyptian Revolution, which is being acted out in the streets of Cairo and Alexandria with huge demonstrations, is that no one knows what the revolutionaries want.

    Fanning the Flames of Revolution in Egypt
    As Mubarak's Egypt succumbs to revolution, little is none of the forces fueling the protest, such as the Muslim Brotherhood, but moreso the role of the Communist Party of Egypt in revolution's inception and current activities - thus revealing an Islamo-Communist connection.

    Turmoil in Egypt
    It’s much too early to say what will be the outcome of the present popular uprising in Egypt against Mubarak’s dictatorship, but there are several scenarios that can be analyzed as possible outcomes.

    Egypt's Present Path
    Though much of the world waits with bated breath to see what type of government Egypt will end up with, the shape of Egypt's government is almost a foregone conclusion.

    Egypt's Problem of Leadership
    Egypt faces a problem of leadership: Will the nation find a new dictator to replace Mubarak, or will free the people by insisting upon constitutional changes that will chain the government?

    Egypt: Did Anything Important Happen?
    When the Los Angeles Times confirmed that protests that started in January in Tunisia and then moved to Egypt were spreading to Algeria, Bahrain, Libya, Morocco, Cameroon and Kuwait, many concluded that they were driven by unhappy citizens connected via the internet.
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    Question.

    I keep hearing the phrase, "Arab Spring". Is this the CIA code name for these sponsored "revolutions"?

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    yeah, my UCF Modern Hebrew Culture keeps using that term.

    like being Arab has anything to do with being pissed over poverty, corruption, and ineffectual despotism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Question.

    I keep hearing the phrase, "Arab Spring". Is this the CIA code name for these sponsored "revolutions"?
    code of the CFR
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    code of the CFR
    You bet.




    The Middle East uprisings may have surprised most people in the world, but globalist elites at the Council on Foreign Relations laid the groundwork for the spontaneous events.


    Organized Chaos: Behind the Scenes in the Middle East


    William F. Jasper | The New American
    22 March 2011
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    It's touch and go at this moment from the Egyptians I know who live here. But it was always going to get worse before it got better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    It's touch and go at this moment from the Egyptians I know who live here. But it was always going to get worse before it got better.
    I'm waiting for that one person, a dictator, who will promise them food, wealth, and pride. History repeats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    I'm waiting for that one person, a dictator, who will promise them food, wealth, and pride. History repeats.
    You don't think there is ANY chance at all that the situation will improve? That's a sad outlook on humanity. I hope you're wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    You don't think there is ANY chance at all that the situation will improve? That's a sad outlook on humanity. I hope you're wrong.
    Why would the United States allow that to happen? We need an enemy.





    The Middle East uprisings may have surprised most people in the world, but globalist elites at the Council on Foreign Relations laid the groundwork for the spontaneous events.


    Organized Chaos: Behind the Scenes in the Middle East


    William F. Jasper | The New American
    22 March 2011
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    most revolutions (French , Russian) are followed shortly by another revolution that leads to one person rule. but not always; The Philippines in 1986, Eastern Europe in the late 80s successfully transformed to democracy.

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    This is what happens when you are only against something...

    What happens when you get rid of the thing you are against? What would happen if the FED was eliminated tomorrow? People don't believe in liberty... people don't believe in sound currency... people don't believe in competition... people don't believe in free markets...

    People do believe in central planning and a new central planner would come in and replace it. People who are only against something have no answers because if the thing they are against is eliminated they have no clue what to do next.

    It is the people who are for something that have that answers and inspiration...

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    over 7000 military tribunals for the peace demonstrators in Egypt... now in prison

    Obama gave Egypt an additional $2 Billion of our tax money

    IMF Gives Egypt $3 Billion with 20% of the IMF "LOANED" budget from the US... add another $600 Million from US taxpayers to Egypt.

    $2.6 Billion US taxpayer AID to Egypt for the CIA/CFR/Mi6/etc orchestrated Arab Spring... which is probably an additional Billion in US Black OPS funds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    most revolutions (French , Russian) are followed shortly by another revolution that leads to one person rule. but not always; The Philippines in 1986, Eastern Europe in the late 80s successfully transformed to democracy.
    I wouldn't exactly call that 'success', but otherwise . . .

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    Good points.
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    Update: June 13, 2011

    New Egypt? 7,000 civilians jailed since Mubarak fell
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/06/1...civilians.html
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    Still a Curse!


    Egypt constitutional vote: 'Things are definitely worse than under the old regime'
    As Egyptians vote on whether to adopt the new constitution, Richard Spencer talks to those promoting the new rules - and those fearful of what is to come.


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    The revolution is the easy part. It unites all of the groups who didn't like the former government. The hard part is to then get those often very different groups to agree on what should be done afterwards. No matter what happens, some group or groups will always be disappointed with the results. Does that make it a "failure"? We weren't there to recall but our own revolution had simliar problems and there were people who wished we had stayed part of Britain (or France or whatever country controlled their state). Some too would have preferred to be individual states- instead of United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.3D View Post
    Question.

    I keep hearing the phrase, "Arab Spring". Is this the CIA code name for these sponsored "revolutions"?
    No idea. A more pointed question in my mind is who, exactly, is funding these little parties that are unfolding oh-so-coincidentally, and what might the topography be of the control structures? Who is ultimately inciting these uprisings and how are the messages set into action? Anyone suggesting that these have been organic movements is either an idiot or is working for "them". Things simply do not work like this in the wild, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    The revolution is the easy part. It unites all of the groups who didn't like the former government. The hard part is to then get those often very different groups to agree on what should be done afterwards. No matter what happens, some group or groups will always be disappointed with the results. Does that make it a "failure"? We weren't there to recall but our own revolution had simliar problems and there were people who wished we had stayed part of Britain (or France or whatever country controlled their state). Some too would have preferred to be individual states- instead of United States.
    Almost universally "yes", because invariably the dominant group uses force to impose its scheme upon those not interested in it. The only possibly legitimate case for such imposition is where the minority group seeks a circumstance where someone's rights are by necessity violated. In such cases the only legitimate response is to disallow such institutional violation, but that is never the case. The usual scenario involves the dominant group imposing equally egregious restrictions upon the minority. As history shows us, nearly every revolution wherein a perceived tyrant is ousted results in supplanting the old regime with a new tyrant of a superficially different cloth. Our history is lousy with such examples. The bottom line is that empire is a ghastly curse upon the race of men and that there is no variation on the basic theme that is either just or morally legitimate because empire is by its very nature destructive of human freedom. Freedom and empire are utterly antithetical and violently antagonistic. Where the one exists, the other cannot. They are mutually exclusive and repulsive opposites. The best condition which can be achieved under empire is a state of pretty slavery. Sadly, the great majority of people are more than willing to accept this under the misapprehension that it is the same thing as freedom.
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    Shelley's thinly veiled warning to tyrants:

    The monster saw my determination in my face and gnashed his teeth in the impotence of anger. "Shall each man," cried he, "find a wife for his bosom, and each beast have his mate, and I be alone? I had feelings of affection, and they were requited by detestation and scorn. Man! You may hate, but beware! Your hours will pass in dread and misery, and soon the bolt will fall which must ravish from you your happiness forever. Are you to be happy while I grovel in the intensity of my wretchedness? You can blast my other passions, but revenge remains--revenge, henceforth dearer than light or food! I may die, but first you, my tyrant and tormentor, shall curse the sun that gazes on your misery. Beware, for I am fearless and therefore powerful. I will watch with the wiliness of a snake, that I may sting with its venom. Man, you shall repent of the injuries you inflict.”

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    This is the problem with Progressive and Neo-Conservative foreign policy. The very idea that some savage from the Middle East can be 'civilized' and conform to our absurd beliefs concerning democracy and secularism is preposterous. A realistic stance would be to displace Mubarak, whose fall was inevitable, and install yet another dictator that would work in favor of Western interests. An ideal situation would be to have Egypt as an outright colony of a Western power, and all dissent would be met with a sudden bullet to the skull. A superior option than creating some sort of banana republic where the Muzzie brotherhood could keep electing savage, lowly dessert-dwellers one after another.
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    Egyptian Presidential Palace on Fire, Here's the kicker, Russian news is stating the protesters their MOTOV cocktails, New York Times is stating they threw fireworks @ the palace.

    Russian Voice: http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_02_01/Ca...alace-on-fire/

    Reported by the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/02/wo...gypt.html?_r=0

    Cairo presidential palace on fire
    Tags: Society, Egypt unrest, News, World, Egypt
    Photo: AFP
    The Egyptian presidential palace is on fire after taking dozens of Molotov cocktails from angry demonstrators demanding justice for the killers of more than 50 people in Egypt’s latest unrest.

    Many also shouted that the government must step down.
    The deployment of water cannon has so far failed to disperse the crowd.
    There were similar demonstrations in Port Said, Ismailia and Suez.
    Cairo: Protesters clash with security at presidential palace
    Egyptian security used water cannon and fired shots into the air as protesters threw petrol bombs and stones into the grounds of the presidential palace in Cairo on Friday.
    The clashes came amid rallies in several cities against Islamist President Mohamed Morsi following unrest that killed 56 people, mostly in Port Said, after 21 residents were sentenced to death over a football-related riot in 2012.
    The night sky was lit by fireworks set off by protesters above the north Cairo palace, as the crackle of gunshots fired from the military's Republican Guard from behind the palace walls filled the air.
    The Republican Guard appealed for calm and accused the protesters of trying to enter the palace, in a statement reported by the official MENA news agency.
    Police, who had initially withdrawn inside the compound, advanced on protesters using armoured cars while firing tear gas.
    Elsewhere, thousands of protesters took to the streets to protest against Morsi, whom they accuse of betraying the revolution that brought him to power last June.
    Scores of protesters skirmished with riot police several hundred metres (yards) from Cairo's Tahrir Square, witnesses said, and two were wounded by birdshot fired by police.
    But the clash was far less intense than last week's deadly unrest which killed 56 people, most of them in Port Said, where violence erupted after 21 residents were sentenced to death over football-related violence a year ago.
    Thousands of people protested in Port Said on Friday calling for Morsi's removal, unfazed by the military deployment in the canal city, and similar marches took place in the Mediterranean port city of Alexandria.
    Egypt’s National Salvation Front urges anti-Morsi protests
    Egypt's National Salvation Front (NSF), a coalition of opposition parties and groups, has urged people to take it to streets against President Morsi’s regime.
    The Front accuses Morsi of imposing his will on the nation and ruling in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood Islamists.
    Egypt’s police, on their part, called for peaceful and civilized protests.
    Earlier, a number of opposition leaders signed a deal renouncing violence and backing dialogue at a meeting in Al-Azhar University in Cairo.
    Mass demonstrations on Friday in Egypt
    The National Salvation Front of Egypt has announced a mass meeting and demonstration on Friday against the policies of the current authorities.
    A march is to be held with the goal of the marchers being the residence of President Mohammed Morsi in Cairo.
    Among the demands of the opposition: the resignation of the country's leadership, the abolition of the new constitution and the dissolution of the parliament's upper house.
    The National Salvation Front issued a statement regarding the protest a few hours after the signing of a document called “non-Violence” at the Muslim University, Al-Azhar, by major political parties.
    They are to be joined by leading Islamist movements including The Muslim Brotherhood and the Salafist party An-Nur.
    Unrest across Egypt has not subsided since last Friday.
    At least 60 people have been killed and hundreds have been injured in clashes.
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    We had our own uprisings- even after the Declaration of Independence and the Constition were signed. Our capital was burned in the War of 1812. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington
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