New Hampshire free, New York not

[Keith and stuff]

For those living in NH, where are some good cities to live? What is considered decent pay per hr? (My experience is in sales, B2B, marketing) I've kicked the idea about moving around, but I get more serious by the day.

Because taxes are so low and there isn't much crime you don't need as much money to live in NH as the other near-by states. You could live an OK life in NH on $10 an hour if you were smart about it but pay tends to be higher in NH than other places. I think NH has either the highest median household income or the 4th highest median household income, depending on how you look at it (whether you average it over the last 4 years or not.) Property taxes varies wildly in NH from town to town and city to city depending on what the people in that town want. In some towns, people on average pay twice as much in property taxes as people in other towns.

As for good places to live, a lot of liberty folks are gathering in Manchester/Nashua/Concord/Portsmouth/Dover/Rochester/Seabrook/Keene/Grafton and other places and also places near those places. Some people start out renting a room or apartment in Manchester or a near-by town, find a job or nice house somewhere else and then move there.

[BuddyRey]

This study is highly flawed in a few key respects. Don't get me wrong; I know NH is a beacon for freedom, especially compared to the surrounding states. But, for just one example, they have South Carolina listed as less free than North Carolina, and North Carolina even less free than Virginia. I can tell you as a native North Carolinian who's spent a great deal of time in SC and VA that this couldn't be further from the truth. Taxes are outrageous here compared to SC, gun laws are stricter (heck, we're not even "allowed" to have fireworks), and if charged with a felony here (charged, not convicted), you can have your DNA collected and put in a state database.

South Carolina is enviably, gloriously free in comparison (though certainly not as free as it could be). Whoever put this graph together also failed to note the amazing legislative successes that have happened in Wyoming and Idaho since the state nullification movements there have taken hold. You can now legally conceal a firearm in Wyoming without a government concealed carry permission slip. That's pretty darn amazing from my East Coast frame of reference.

[Keith and stuff]

In a couple years I may be pulling up roots. And NH is in the running. Here's a question: although NH might be relatively free, it is surrounded by some very populous, very statist states. What happens if things get ugly? South Dakota would be much farther from any socialist population centers. Does it matter? What do y'all think?

NH isn't surrounded by very populous states. VT is #2 in the nation for personal freedom and is less densely populated than NH. ME ranks high for personal freedom and is less densely populated than NH. MA and the states near it (except for NH) tend to be pretty socialist (especially NY and RI) but I think it lost people over the last 10 years or something. The parts of Canada near NH aren't very populated either.

If you are in to living off the land, homestead, gardening and all of that, there are families doing that in NH. NH is the type of places where you can make your own sugar (from maple or bees), raise your own meat and eggs, collect your own water (from wells) and heat your house by cutting down your trees. NH is the 2nd most forested states behind only Maine. NH also has an international border, most of it is very sparsely populated and there is even a coastline.

NH has the lowest crime in the nation and the lowest poverty in the nation. While it's true that some folks to travel to NH from MA to commit crimes, NH has arguably the least restrictive self-defense/weapons laws in the nation and then continue to improve year after year.

Also, I like that people from MA come to NH to buy guns/fireworks/smokes/drinks/swords and everything else. It keeps taxes down and money in the pockets of NH folks.

[Keith and stuff]

This study is highly flawed in a few key respects. Don't get me wrong; I know NH is a beacon for freedom, especially compared to the surrounding states.

You can now legally conceal a firearm in Wyoming without a government concealed carry permission slip.

No offense but did you read the publication? The study may be flawed in some ways but you really didn't say anything that would indicate that. I recommend reading it, it's pretty interesting http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011

As for the recent legal change in WY, the researches stopped collecting data in 2009 so no doubt things would look differently now. This was the second study. Both the 1st and now this study claim that NH is the freest state. In 2003, the FSP voters selected NH as the FSP state. A tend is developing. Perhaps a 3rd study will come out in 2013 and it will use 2011 as the cut off date for data or something.

[Anti Federalist]

Somebody in the campaign staff needs to address the women vote in NH...

Someone needs to address the women's vote WRT to freedom issues, period.

Every time I bring the subject up, I'm shouted down as some sort of grunting Neanderthal.

But the fact is woman do not vote for freedom candidates as a whole, just like blacks, as a demographic, do not vote Republican.

We can rant and rave about collectivism all we want, but that's the facts.

[Anti Federalist]

bump for another thread.

[Keith and stuff]

OK, here is the detailed research, the list of factors. If you think the states are in the wrong order, please look through this and point out some errors. Heck, the authors of the study might even like the help. I'm sure they want to do as good a job as possible

http://www.statepolicyindex.com/the-research/

BTW, Jason Sorens is going to be at Porcfest this year, http://porcfest.com/ and the day after Porcfest both of the authors are likely going to be in Concord, NH giving a presentation about the study.

[Keith and stuff]

So the presentation in Concord, NH happened on Monday. Here is info about it.

http://www.nhpr.org/free-state-proje...ives-nh-thumbs

Free State Project Founder Gives N.H. Thumbs Up
By Dan Gorenstein on Monday, June 27, 2011

The founder of the Free State Project says New Hampshire is moving in the right direction. NHPR’s Dan Gorenstein reports.

And while only some 900 Free Staters have come, movement founder Jason Sorens says when you look at bill’s that have passed and the new budget- this Legislature is hitting many of the Project’s policy goals.

“We have a caucus in the statehouse of about 50 people who are more or less Libertarian, or classical Liberal, the Natural Rights Council. We haven’t had that before. I would agree the current statehouse has a definite Libertarian tinge to it.”

One critic- who attended the talk- said the Free State agenda threatens to change the state into a libertarian society beyond recognition to most Granite Staters.

[Theocrat]

I've been thinking a little bit about moving to a new place, and NH sounds a little bit better each time I hear about the Free State Project. One of my concerns is where to find a good church in NH. I was considering moving to Manchester, so I guess that would be a good place to research for churches I would like.

[Southron]

If I lived in the Northeast, I would definitely consider NH.

[Keith and stuff]

Jason Sorens and William Ruger, the authors of the study, talk about the study on Reason.TV

http://www.youtube.com/embed/oBvdKK9InIE

[Rael]

This study is highly flawed in a few key respects. Don't get me wrong; I know NH is a beacon for freedom, especially compared to the surrounding states. But, for just one example, they have South Carolina listed as less free than North Carolina, and North Carolina even less free than Virginia. I can tell you as a native North Carolinian who's spent a great deal of time in SC and VA that this couldn't be further from the truth. Taxes are outrageous here compared to SC, gun laws are stricter (heck, we're not even "allowed" to have fireworks), and if charged with a felony here (charged, not convicted), you can have your DNA collected and put in a state database.

South Carolina is enviably, gloriously free in comparison (though certainly not as free as it could be). Whoever put this graph together also failed to note the amazing legislative successes that have happened in Wyoming and Idaho since the state nullification movements there have taken hold. You can now legally conceal a firearm in Wyoming without a government concealed carry permission slip. That's pretty darn amazing from my East Coast frame of reference.

Yeah but IIRC stores cant even open before noon on Sunday in SC which is really bass akwards and no alcohol sales on Sunday at all. Also, NC allows open carry of firearms and SC does not. VA bans radar detectors. I guess the state that's more free depends on which freedoms you value more.

[scottditzen]

The study is really interesting.

But yeah, it's very subjective dependent on what freedoms you value more.

Personally, I think they gave smoking bans far too much weight.

edit: I know you can visit their website and plug in your own criteria to get rankings more accurate to your beliefs. Haven't done that yet but will tomorrow.

[IDefendThePlatform]

Any updates from the potential NH movers in this thread?

[Keith and stuff]

Any updates from the potential NH movers in this thread?

Sorry, I am not sure I understand your question.

The 2009 Report used 2006/2007 data. It said NH was the freest state. The 2011 Report used 2008/2009 data. It said NH was the freest state. In 2009 and 2010, NH lost freedom. In 2011 and 2012, NH gained freedom. I think a new report will come out within a few months using 2010/2011 data.

As for NH, I'm loving it here. Do you have a question about NH or something?

[John F Kennedy III]

Freedom is also good for you health.

NH ranks six in greatest life expectancy by state.

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/longevity/


Good for your personal safety:

NH has lowest US violent crime rate:

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nhcrime.htm


Good for your economic well being:

NH has third lowest unemployment rate nationwide.

http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm


Freedom works, it's good for your body, mind, soul and bank account, statism kills, physically and psychologically.

It's no more difficult than that.

Amen bro.

[IDefendThePlatform]

Sorry, I am not sure I understand your question.

The 2009 Report used 2006/2007 data. It said NH was the freest state. The 2011 Report used 2008/2009 data. It said NH was the freest state. In 2009 and 2010, NH lost freedom. In 2011 and 2012, NH gained freedom. I think a new report will come out within a few months using 2010/2011 data.

As for NH, I'm loving it here. Do you have a question about NH or something?

I just saw a few "I'm considering moving to NH" posts from my fellow RPFers and was wondering if they had pulled the trigger yet. With Ron retired now I think the FSP is about the best chance we've got to actually make any gains.

[Keith and stuff]

I just saw a few "I'm considering moving to NH" posts from my fellow RPFers and was wondering if they had pulled the trigger yet. With Ron retired now I think the FSP is about the best chance we've got to actually make any gains.

OK, cool. I also like the FSP, as if you couldn't tell. If someone is considering the FSP, I recommend checking out NH. Don't just take what some of us pro-FSP say on this forum as the truth. IMO, the best time to visit NH is during Liberty Forum if you are just going to check out southeastern NH (where 80% of the people in NH live). Porcfest would be best if you want to check out other parts of the state. I like Liberty Forum because it happens during winter. Some people think the cold my be too much for them, they can find out during Liberty Forum. With Liberty Forum, you don't even need to rent a car as long as you stay at the hotel that hosts the event. The hotel will pick you up and drop you off at the Manchester airport as long as you tell the hotel when you reserve your room.

Liberty Forum February 21-24, 2013 - Crowne Plaza, Nashua, NH
http://freestateproject.org/libertyforum $99 if you order now. $199 if you want 5 buffets includes with your ticket. $99 plus taxes per night at the hotel. Some other motels in NH are as low as $50 plus taxes. There are 3 res truants within walking distance of the hotel, plus a restaurant at the hotel so you don't have to buy the meals package (though I recommend it for the networking).

Porcfest Roger's Campground Lancaster, NH June 17–23, 2013
http://porcfest.com/ I think it costs b/t $30 and $50 to attend. Plus $30 per campsite (you may share with up to 1 adult and your kids at no extra charge, a 3 and 4th adult each cost $5 extra per day) per day. The onsite motel and cabins are usually full. However, you can stay at the motel across the street or in town. However, there is a $5 per adult day fee that the campground charges to enter the campgrounds.

[WilliamShrugged]

I just saw a few "I'm considering moving to NH" posts from my fellow RPFers and was wondering if they had pulled the trigger yet. With Ron retired now I think the FSP is about the best chance we've got to actually make any gains.

Haven't moved yet but i am saving up to... be there hopefully in late 2013. no later than fall of 2014.

[Pauls' Revere]

I noticed that the states with the majority of the population were listed some of the least free. They also carry a large weight of the voters as well. No wonder were in the mess were in. No wonder every election becomes more meaningless.

[Keith and stuff]

In Remembrance... of the LIVE FREE STATE



New Hampshire Primary, both McCain and Romney had gambled much on the state. McCain had staked much on his grassroots efforts in the state he won in 2000, as well as the state with one of the most independent voting blocks which was McCain's favor. Romney, coming from neighboring Massachusetts, was known by many in New Hampshire and even owned a home in the state of New Hampshire. Pre-Primary polling showed McCain with a slight edge (32%-28%)with Huckabee leading Giuliani for third (12%-9%).

Primary results: McCain won 37% to Romney's 32% Ron Paul took one county.
McCain lost New Hamsphire in the Presidential general election to Obama 54-45%

What a difference 4 years makes

Results by town. Orange indicates those won by Romney, gold indicates those won by Paul, crimson those won by Huntsman. White indicates towns where there were no votes cast.

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ampshire,_2012

In 2012, Ron Paul took both towns Huckabee took in 2008. He also took several towns that were shaded white in 2008. Paul took several towns Romney won in 2008. He took dozen and dozens of towns McCain won in 2008.

More about the election in NH.
http://freestateproject.org/intro/ron_paul

[fr33]

^^ That's a pretty big improvement there.