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    New study says New Hampshire and South Dakota are the freest states; meanwhile, New York and New Jersey are the least free.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/hamps...ry?id=13791773

    Live free or die? New Hampshire may be on to something, according to researchers at George Mason University's Mercatus Center.

    They used a variety of statistics to rank the 50 states for their just-published report on which states are the freest -- and least free -- from taxes and government regulation.

    Their horserace has ranked New York as the "least free state in the Union" followed by neighboring New Jersey. New Hampshire and South Dakota were in a virtual tie for most "free" state. ...
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    Freedom is also good for you health.

    NH ranks six in greatest life expectancy by state.

    http://www.npr.org/news/specials/longevity/


    Good for your personal safety:

    NH has lowest US violent crime rate:

    http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nhcrime.htm


    Good for your economic well being:

    NH has third lowest unemployment rate nationwide.

    http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm


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    God damnitt I can't wait to move to NH.

    High fucking property taxes though. But that's bout it. The benefits farrr outweigh this (no income tax, no sales tax, no capital gains tax, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentient Void View Post
    God damnitt I can't wait to move to NH.

    High fucking property taxes though. But that's bout it. The benefits farrr outweigh this (no income tax, no sales tax, no capital gains tax, etc).
    Search closely my brother.

    NH property taxes can vary widely by town. http://www.nh.gov/revenue/munc_prop/...elatedData.htm

    Mine just went down, again, for the fourth year in a row.

    And for what I have, land and home, I guarantee I'm paying half of what you would be in Mass. especially in the Boston area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentient Void View Post
    God damnitt I can't wait to move to NH.

    High fucking property taxes though. But that's bout it. The benefits farrr outweigh this (no income tax, no sales tax, no capital gains tax, etc).
    I'm sure this new immigration law will destroy my business. When it does, I'm heading that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaAla View Post
    New study says New Hampshire and South Dakota are the freest states; meanwhile, New York and New Jersey are the least free.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/hamps...ry?id=13791773
    I live in NY in the burbs and travel in rural parts of the state also. I can say first hand that it is a police state here. You cannot go anywhere, even a hike in the woods or throwing a line in along the Hudson river without the police looking over your shoulder. There is so many police wherever you turn it is like they are a standing army. Despite the reputation NYC gets, the suburban and rural areas I speak of there is not much crime or anything for the police to do to warrant such a heavy presence. DWI road blocks are common. One weekend I went through 5 different road blocks.

    We also have the highest property taxes in US and the world. So no one really owns property here. For example you can expect to find the lower Hudson Valley homeowners charged on average a $1000 a month or more in property taxes. Much of this is for the public schools of course in this Democratic party dominated state. We have the highest paid teachers in the country and some of the schools are like palaces. There are several Socialists parties that run the same candidates as the Democrat party and you have the Republican party which is about as Socialist. There is a Conservative party that essentially runs the same Socialists that the Republicans do. The Conservative party also has some scary authoritarian police state stuff in their platform.

    Despite NY having a reputation of being very liberal it is really only the politics of NYC, Albany and Buffalo that ruins the state. Immigration plays a huge role in keeping the state Democratic. Probably a little bit of voter fraud going on to boot. I and my friends have seen the fraud first hand with being switched to the Democrat against our will and having to complain to the board of elections.
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    The actual report is here, http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011 It includes information about all 50 states, a video, a ranking list and even a pdf version of the publication.

    And NH is getting freer this year with several pro-liberty bills having already passed:
    NH passes HB 544 the Knife Preemption Law http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...Preemption-Law
    NH House passes HB 651 to relegalize Quaker Parrots in NH http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...-Parrots-in-NH
    NH House passes bill to eliminate the gambling tax http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...e-gambling-tax
    Evergreen law repealed in NH http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...repealed-in-NH

    With many, many more bills still being debated or waiting for the Governor to act.
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    Dang. Texas is only in the middle...

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    Oklahoma, a state which has some of the best concealed carry laws, and the best homeschool laws, in the nation, is not ranked as highly as Indiana, the first state to simply write off the Fourth Amendment. Why? Because you can't buy liquor in a drug store in Oklahoma?

    Somebody's criteria on this thing is, well, certainly not my criteria.
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    I'm planning on moving to New Hampshire once I graduate
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    Maybe when I get back to the US I'll go to NH if the trend continues. Especially if they can pass some anti-groping bill and not back down from federal threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessol View Post
    I'm planning on moving to New Hampshire once I graduate
    I'd like to but I'd also like to stay here in Texas... For some reason I feel maybe, one day, we will become our own country again. *fingerscrossed*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentient Void View Post
    God damnitt I can't wait to move to NH.

    High fucking property taxes though. But that's bout it. The benefits farrr outweigh this (no income tax, no sales tax, no capital gains tax, etc).
    Paying a $1000 more in property tax is worth it. Lets see, if I lived in VT, I would have to pay $xx,xxx in income tax, 6% sales tax. I just bought $3000 in office equipment that is a $180 savings right there, now I can buy more ad space for my websites.

    I live on the New Hampshire/Vermont border. I find it funny to see all these communists and socialists with their socialist bumper stickers shopping in New Hampshire (to avoid paying 6% sales tax) with their "buy local" bumper stickers on their foreign cars. :collins:

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    i live on the new hampshire/vermont border. I find it funny to see all these communists and socialists with their socialist bumper stickers shopping in new hampshire (to avoid paying 6% sales tax) with their "buy local" bumper stickers on their foreign cars.
    lol

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    For those living in NH, where are some good cities to live? What is considered decent pay per hr? (My experience is in sales, B2B, marketing) I've kicked the idea about moving around, but I get more serious by the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belian78 View Post
    For those living in NH, where are some good cities to live? What is considered decent pay per hr? (My experience is in sales, B2B, marketing) I've kicked the idea about moving around, but I get more serious by the day.
    My guess would be Manchester and Portsmouth would be your best bet. Here is some income stats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ham..._capita_income

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsTime View Post
    My guess would be Manchester and Portsmouth would be your best bet. Here is some income stats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ham..._capita_income
    Thanks a bunch!
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    I love Minnesota, but if I ever leave, NH would be the first and only place I'd look at. Any chance that there would be a decent job market for CPA's in a few years?
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    In a couple years I may be pulling up roots. And NH is in the running. Here's a question: although NH might be relatively free, it is surrounded by some very populous, very statist states. What happens if things get ugly? South Dakota would be much farther from any socialist population centers. Does it matter? What do y'all think?
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    In Remembrance... of the LIVE FREE STATE



    New Hampshire Primary, both McCain and Romney had gambled much on the state. McCain had staked much on his grassroots efforts in the state he won in 2000, as well as the state with one of the most independent voting blocks which was McCain's favor. Romney, coming from neighboring Massachusetts, was known by many in New Hampshire and even owned a home in the state of New Hampshire. Pre-Primary polling showed McCain with a slight edge (32%-28%)with Huckabee leading Giuliani for third (12%-9%).

    Primary results: McCain won 37% to Romney's 32% Ron Paul took one county.
    McCain lost New Hamsphire in the Presidential general election to Obama 54-45%
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    I live in NJ and the police will pull you over for taking your seatbelt off just with your car running, not even driving. They stop you all the time for walking down the sidewalk in the evening, and use the excuse "I smelt pot" to pull over every single teenager. I got pulled over before for "blocking" traffic, when it's was really a truck that cut in front of me that caused a traffic jam in the first place. Police didn't care.
    A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oklahoma, a state which has some of the best concealed carry laws, and the best homeschool laws, in the nation, is not ranked as highly as Indiana, the first state to simply write off the Fourth Amendment. Why? Because you can't buy liquor in a drug store in Oklahoma?

    Somebody's criteria on this thing is, well, certainly not my criteria.
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    The problem is so many of these studies are arbitrary. And let us never confuse being free from "taxes and regulation" with being "free" in general.
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    Yeah, well...*facepalm*

    Whaddya ya want from me?

    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    In Remembrance... of the LIVE FREE STATE



    New Hampshire Primary, both McCain and Romney had gambled much on the state. McCain had staked much on his grassroots efforts in the state he won in 2000, as well as the state with one of the most independent voting blocks which was McCain's favor. Romney, coming from neighboring Massachusetts, was known by many in New Hampshire and even owned a home in the state of New Hampshire. Pre-Primary polling showed McCain with a slight edge (32%-28%)with Huckabee leading Giuliani for third (12%-9%).

    Primary results: McCain won 37% to Romney's 32% Ron Paul took one county.
    McCain lost New Hamsphire in the Presidential general election to Obama 54-45%

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Oklahoma, a state which has some of the best concealed carry laws, and the best homeschool laws, in the nation, is not ranked as highly as Indiana, the first state to simply write off the Fourth Amendment. Why? Because you can't buy liquor in a drug store in Oklahoma?

    Somebody's criteria on this thing is, well, certainly not my criteria.
    True enough.

    FWIW you can't buy distilled liquor in NH outside of a state liquor store.

    Also FWIW, they are cheap as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Yeah, well...*facepalm*

    Whaddya ya want from me?
    Statistics are nice for propaganda talk... for starters, the granite state/FSP could give some results, which history has proven the voters are not so FREE or LIBERTY minded for Ron Paul.

    At least Nevada gave very good results... A 2nd place primary finish AND a resultant 3 GOP delegates for Ron Paul.

    No Stats... Just Results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    Statistics are nice for propaganda talk... for starters, the granite state/FSP could give some results, which history has proven the voters are not so FREE or LIBERTY minded for Ron Paul.

    At least Nevada gave very good results... A 2nd place primary finish AND a resultant 3 GOP delegates for Ron Paul.

    No Stats... Just Results.
    Apparently you have not looked at the make up of BOTH the house and senate in NH. They are filled with Ron Paul republicans. Times are changing.

    And NV has a caucus not a primary like NH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsTime View Post
    Apparently you have not looked at the make up of BOTH the house and senate in NH. They are filled with Ron Paul republicans. Times are changing.

    And NV has a caucus not a primary like NH.
    Yes I am well aware and I know it's been posted here before.

    Where's Ron in all the Polls in NH again?

    How many delegates did NH vote for RP again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    Yes I am well aware and I know it's been posted here before. BUT where's Ron in all the Polls in NH again?
    Ever think its Ron Paul the people of New Hampshire dont like, not his ideas? I have, and we need to change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    Statistics are nice for propaganda talk... for starters, the granite state/FSP could give some results, which history has proven the voters are not so FREE or LIBERTY minded for Ron Paul.

    At least Nevada gave very good results... A 2nd place primary finish AND a resultant 3 GOP delegates for Ron Paul.

    No Stats... Just Results.
    LoL - I was partly pulling your leg.

    Yes, Nevada delivered, no doubt.

    I still have no idea where McPain came from in 08...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    LoL - I was partly pulling your leg.

    Yes, Nevada delivered, no doubt.

    I still have no idea where McPain came from in 08...
    Somebody in the campaign staff needs to address the women vote in NH... Ron is polling tied for last with women voters. It's just not NH, Ron does awful with women voters across the nation. Now why would Ron do so badly for a person that was a doctor delivering more than 4000 babies? What is setting women voters to dislike him so much, that unknown Herman Cain has more than twice the support and Romney scores more than 7 times the support in NH?

    PS: OK, just did the math on the latest NH poll... of women that voted for a republican candidate in the upcoming primary,

    5% support RP,
    22% support Palin
    25% vote Romney
    Bachmann, Cain, Newt all tied with 10% of women votes each.
    The rest of the field split the other~10+%
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