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Politics are depressing sometimes.
The media loves their red herrings...
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
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"how the outsider faith creates winners": family connections and money
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audentior ito
That Newsweek cover is creepy–and I say this as a Mormon. Has anybody read the article?
It doesn't end with this election cycle. Commit to long term change, and you won't see all the GOP state convention shenanigans as the end of the Ron Paul Revolution--but as the end of the neocon control of the GOP, (and the beginning of the Ron Paul Revolution). Hang in there for another year or so, and you'll start to see some absolutely amazing results for all of our efforts. ~Ninja Homer
Haven't read the article but I don't think the topic itself is a red herring.
24% of Americans say they would not vote a Mormon for president. That's a big stumbling block.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/26611/som...andidates.aspx
Ron Paul: "For those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do."
It is a distraction from real issues. That is the definition of a red herring. And it's an attempt to incite prejudice and discrimination.
And look at what you said, let's just slightly modify that:
Would that be a valid criticism of Herman Cain? Does it have to do with positions or any real issues? Should that be a news story?
What if the cover of Newsweek said: "The Black Moment" and "Herman Cain, Black Man for President". Are those issues we should judge our presidential candidate on, or are they distractions meant to divide and conquer?
Yes, people might discuss it, but it shouldn't be taken seriously. What's next, a Newsweek cover story on how overweight people are sometimes discriminated against, with a title of "Mike Huckabee, Fat Man for President".
"Foreign aid is taking money from the poor people of a rich country, and giving it to the rich people of a poor country." - Ron Paul
"Beware the Military-Industrial-Financial-Pharma-Corporate-Internet-Media-Government Complex." - B4L update of General Dwight D. Eisenhower
"Debt is the drug, Wall St. Banksters are the dealers, and politicians are the addicts." - B4L
"Totally free immigration? I've never taken that position. I believe in national sovereignty." - Ron Paul
Proponent of real science.
The views and opinions expressed here are solely my own, and do not represent this forum or any other entities or persons.
Naw self-selection. The kind of people who self-select to become dedicated mormons frequently have traits that allow for success in other areas. Kind of like Judaism. They're both very strict clubs.
Last edited by Hotchney; 06-05-2011 at 04:35 PM.
So Morman is the new Black?
Morman isn't an issue with me (I'd just prefer my president be very clear that he HIMSELF is not God) but neither was black and black was BLATANTLY used to try to guilt people into voting a particular way, last time. And to imply that anything negative said had that as a root cause. Is this going to be another election by guilt?
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edit... and... about that cover....
....do you think Mr. Glee Club had any idea it would make him look like such a moron?
Last edited by sailingaway; 06-05-2011 at 03:51 PM.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
Clearly it IS an issue for 1/4 of the US populace. Reporting on it doesn't incite prejudice - if anything it helps to educate.
If that were the case that would be a big story. Except it's not. Same link. 5% say they wouldn't vote a black man President.And look at what you said, let's just slightly modify that:
24% of Americans say they would not vote a Black Man for president.
Same link. 4% say they wouldn't vote for a Catholic.
To say that Romney's religion would not hurt his chances with voters is being incredibly naive.
Ron Paul: "For those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do."
I don't know very much about Mormons. Is there anything in their belief system that could possibly influence Romney's policy decisions that would be detrimental to our country? If not, I don't know what the big deal would be about being a Mormon President. I will say this: I have known some very decent Mormons; surely they could give us someone more principled than Mitt Romney to run for President. Donny Osmond would be a better pick than him.
"..and on Earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out...while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited Earth." -- Jesus of Nazareth
I know around 10 Mormons in real life. All of them are very socially conservative, not only personally, but also wanting to impose it upon others through legislation. I know this isn't true for 100% of them out there, as I know there are quite a few that also support Ron Paul, but this social conservativism does seem to apply to the vast majority (if I'm wrong, please correct me). Romney could be like this underneath all his flip-flops.
I could give a $#@! less if we had a Mormon whatever in government, so long as they didn't also want to force their believes upon me using violence.
Last edited by kah13176; 06-05-2011 at 04:53 PM.
"It is not enough these days to simply question authority. You must speak with it, too."
-Taylor Mali
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
-Samuel Adams
Mormons can be inclined to any sort of political party. However, the philosophy of strict constitutionalism can be supported by statements from Latter-day Saint church leaders. The following YouTube video, (5 min.) was used to promote Ron Paul in 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cESC0RaVnM
Study the LDS view of the Constitution
This video is mainly for an LDS audience, since it contains quotes from past and present church leaders. All of these quotes supports the platform of Ron Paul and his desire to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
It doesn't end with this election cycle. Commit to long term change, and you won't see all the GOP state convention shenanigans as the end of the Ron Paul Revolution--but as the end of the neocon control of the GOP, (and the beginning of the Ron Paul Revolution). Hang in there for another year or so, and you'll start to see some absolutely amazing results for all of our efforts. ~Ninja Homer
I liked this part:
"Leftists exploit race, religion and everything else while crying racism, Islamophobia, sexism, etc whenever conservatives criticize the actions of liberals. They have cornered the market on hypocrisy."
Also, I, for one, thought the cover was very appropriate. Romney deserves to be ridiculed. I cannot say I am impartial to Mormons because, in my opinion, some things they believe are just crazy. If you know anything about the religion, then you know this. I don't mean for this to offend anybody. I know there are some mormons on here, but suffice it to say that it will never make sense to me, no matter how hard anyone tries. I wouldn't have a problem voting for one if they were a liberty candidate amongst a bunch of neocon christians, though. Impostors are the worst. I can't say I would be completely impartial if I knew about it, however, but I really don't have to be as an individual. It's a moral condition for me. I don't engage in groupthink in terms of physiological differences, such as skin color or gender, however.
EDIT: In any case, I don't condone taking anyone's rights away via legislation or otherwise.
Last edited by PaulConventionWV; 06-05-2011 at 05:44 PM.
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A lot of Mormans really like Ron from what I've seen on the web. I saw some seriously discussing his late 'The Last Nail' speech, saying their Church folks (forget the term they used) should be giving warnings like that. There were a bunch in my high school. They woouldn't date anyone else because everyone else is damned and it would be depressing being married to someone who was damned, or something like that, but they were very, VERY nice people. Principled too, the ones I knew. I think they'd like Ron.
Did you know Mormans teach to not only store goods for themselves for when society breaks down, but to store extra for sharing with others?
As I said, nice people.
Last edited by sailingaway; 06-05-2011 at 05:49 PM.
"Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul
"Bathtub falls and police officers kill more Americans than terrorism, yet we've been asked to sacrifice our most sacred rights for fear of falling victim to it." -Edward Snowden
Mormonism has taught me to support candidates who are truly dedicated to the constitution in the tradition of our founding fathers. So the only presidential candidate who fits that criteria is Ron Paul.
Didn't keep Kennedy from being elected --
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2832741&page=1
'In a Gallup poll in 1940, 31 percent of Americans said they wouldn't vote for a "generally well-qualified" candidate from their party who happened to be Catholic. That held, at a lower 21 or 22 percent, across the mid-50s. In May 1960, 21 percent still said they wouldn't vote for a Catholic; 71 percent said they would.'
proof of explosives in WTC on 9/11 .....
peer-reviewed paper in scientific journal - unreacted flakes of Thermite found in WTC dust!
http://www.bentham.org/open/tocpj/ar...002/7TOCPJ.pdf
videos:
Entire Steven E Jones presentation at PNAC event in UT, Austin, Texas
video:
PNAC Rebuilding America's Senses Steven Jones Lecture
architects and engineers for 9/11 truth
http://www.ae911truth.org/
I don't see the GOP base supporting a Mormon (that eliminates Romney, Huntsman) anyone with 3 wives (Newt, Rudy)
assuming Palin does not run the final 3 should be Romney, Paul, and Bachmann.
if the final 2 are Romney and Paul, the Bachmann people vote Paul
if the final 2 are Paul and Bachmann the Romney people vote Paul
He won't get elected not because he is mormon but because he is a moron.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZhKwbrd8yE
I would support Obama over him.
I am Mormon and I support Ron Paul, so do a number of others in my local church.
Quoting selections from LDS Church leader Ezra Taft Benson's 1968 treatise, "The Proper Role of Government," may be useful.
Key points:
- Government Should Be Based Upon Sound Principles
- The Correct Role Of Government
- The Most Important Function Of Government
- The Real Meaning of the Separation of Church and State
- The Source of Governmental Power
- Natural Rights
- The Proper Function of Government
- The Powers of a Proper Government
- The Constitution of the United States
- The Value of Local Government
- Things the Government Should Not Do
- The Dividing Line between Proper and Improper Government
- The Nature of Legal Plunder
- Government Cannot Create Wealth
- The Basic Error of Marxism
- The Real Cause of American Prosperity
- A Formula for Prosperity
- An Example of the Consequences of Disregarding These Principles
- The Power of True Liberty from Improper Governmental Interference
- But What about the Needy?
- The Better Way
- What Is Wrong With A "Little" Socialism?
- Three Reasons Americans Need Not Fall for Socialist Deceptions
- How Can Present Socialistic Trends Be Reversed?
- Summary Thus Far
- 15 Principles Which Make for Good and Proper Government
- All Right-Thinking Americans Should Now Take Their Stand
Each of the subsections is only a few paragraphs long. Adam Smith and Bastiat get mentions along the way.
Last edited by Omphfullas Zamboni; 06-05-2011 at 07:34 PM.
It doesn't end with this election cycle. Commit to long term change, and you won't see all the GOP state convention shenanigans as the end of the Ron Paul Revolution--but as the end of the neocon control of the GOP, (and the beginning of the Ron Paul Revolution). Hang in there for another year or so, and you'll start to see some absolutely amazing results for all of our efforts. ~Ninja Homer
Is this Newsweek cover for real? Mitt can't be too pleased with this. This is so shameless that it might backfire in his favor. Kind of like when Jack Conway challenged Rand's "faith." Having said that, this could be planned controlled disinfo actually meant to work in Mitt's favor. i.e. take on the Mormon issue straight up and crush it.
Last edited by anaconda; 06-05-2011 at 07:44 PM.
This thread just gave me an awesome idea. I'm putting RP 2012 stickers on magazines at the store.
Pretty low of Newsweek to mock a man's faith on the cover of their magazine in my opinion.
"Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister
This cover is ridiculous. Newsweek is carrying water for Obummer a little earlier than anticipated.
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