Israel is our close friend.
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Israel is our close friend.
"..and on Earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out...while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited Earth." -- Jesus of Nazareth
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In the past three decades, Arab leaders allied with the United States (and even the few who were not) have been telling their peoples that Iran, Shia, Sunni Islamists, the Palestinian people and their wretched cause, among others, are the reason for the hardship of Arabs. Indeed this conjuring up of enemies started with the US-Saudi-Kuwaiti plan to subcontract an all-out war against revolutionary Iran, as the enemy of Arabs, which was launched by Saddam Hussein in 1981 to defend America's oil wells - and which resulted by 1988 in the death of one million Iranians and 400,000 Iraqis.
In the meantime, and since the late 1960s, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon have engaged in wars with the Palestinian guerrillas and against Palestinian civilians, whom they identified as the enemy. Egypt launched a war against Libya when Sadat was in power, and later, under Mubarak, against its own Islamists and against the Palestinian people. Indeed even Algeria was conjured up as the enemy of Egyptians in Mubarak's last year on the throne.
Saudi Arabia, while repressing all of its population in the name of Wahabism, has not stopped hatching various plans (and plots) since 1982 to bring Israel into the Arab fold. When President Obama peddles the Israeli lie, that his pro-Israel advisors at the White House - and there has been no other kinds of Middle East advisors at the White House since the Clinton administration - feed him, that "too many leaders in the region tried to direct their people's grievances elsewhere. The West was blamed as the source of all ills, a half-century after the end of colonialism. Antagonism toward Israel became the only acceptable outlet for political expression," to which leaders is he actually referring? Sadat, Mubarak, Ben Ali, Kings Hussein and Abdullah II of Jordan, Kings Hasan II and Muhammad VI of Morocco, President Bouteflika, any of the Gulf monarchs or the two Hariri prime ministers, Rafiq and Saad?
Not only are such lies not believable to anyone in the wider world, but also, were the US administration to believe them, explain the ongoing foreign policy failures in a region the US insists on dominating - but which it refuses to learn much about.
Emperor Obama vs the Arab people
The founding fathers' view would be that Israel, Iran, Syria, Libya, Great Britain, France, China, Russia and any other nation you can think of should be our "close friend".
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
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Following up with the above post, in the chapter "Zionism" of Ron Paul’s “Liberty Defined”, he writes the following:
This is Zionist fiction. Those who call themselves Jews today are not an ethnic block with lineage back to the territory of historic Palestine 2,000 years ago.There is no doubt that Jews have a historic claim on the land itself. The Bar Kochba revolt in AD 135 against' the Roman Empire prompted a large number of Jews to be exiled from the area now known as Israel. Some historians report that the Jewish population of 300,000 was further reduced to a thousand families during the Christian Crusades in the Holy Lands.
He also writes:
This is grade A Zionist fiction. One can start with the many words and observations of Jewish Russian Ahad Ha'Am here.From the 1890s until 1948, when Israel became a sovereign nation carved out of Palestine, immigration was mostly voluntary, gradual, and accomplished with due respect for existing land titles. Zionism, during the first forty years of this movement, was not about taking land by force nor was it about militarism.
Then there’s Attorney Stephen Halbrook’s well sourced article titled “The Alienation of a Homeland: How Palestine Became Israel*", published in the The Journal of Libertarian Studies, Vol. V, No. 4 (Fall 1981), that lays out in detail what really happened. It begins with the following:
There’s also the ruthless Special Night Squads led by psychopath British Officer Orde Wingate in 1938-39, to put down any Palestinian resistance to the ongoing Zionist land theft and intended takeover of Palestine.“Attorney Stephen Halbrook traces the origins of Palestinian displacement from their homeland to the organized band of robbers known as the Ottoman Empire who presumed to transfer title to land long inhabited by Palestinians to absentee Arab and Turkish landlords. These State-enforced titles were in turn transferred to Zionist organizations who were in turn backed by organized bands of Zionist terrorists—the earliest manifestations of the statelet of Israel.”
Ron Paul also writes:The Special Night Squads were a joint British-Jewish counter-insurgency unit, established by Captain Orde Wingate in Palestine in 1938, during the 1936-1939 Arab revolt. The SNS comprised British infantry soldiers and Jewish Supernumerary Police. Wingate hand-picked his men, among them Yigal Allon and Moshe Dayan, and trained them to form mobile ambushes...
This is just nonsense. The Zionist movement, from the beginning and throughout, has been an international and political movement, never local; and the few Palestinan Jews that there were in Palestine, opposed Zionism. In 1947, Jews, comprising around a third of the population, virtually all recent arrivals from Eastern Europe, held around 6 percent of the land of Palestine (largely acquired by force through the use of absentee landowners). Then, using largely British and US military weapons, they ruthlessly drove most of the Palestinian population off the land they had lived on for centuries or more, and destroyed hundreds of villages. It’s well documented that the Zionist treatment of the Palestinians, over 100 years now, has been antithetical to everything libertarian principles (or Liberty) are about. Ron Paul's way off the mark on this subject.A continual peaceful transformation would probably have occurred except for the political actions after World War II in which the United Nations turned a local and demographic issue into an international and highly politicized one.
There’s also Murray Rothbards article on the subject.
Last edited by robert68; 09-15-2011 at 05:45 PM.
How can a government be someone's friend? Also, who among us got to make the decision for every American that Israel is our friend? I know I was never consulted on the matter, and I'll bet most folks on these forums weren't either. We don't even get to choose our friends anymore?
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My priorities for selecting a candidate: Cut the debt, repeal Obama care and support of Israel. This website has Ron Paul's name on it. I can not support a candidate that allows this antisemitic dribble. Who are our friends in the Middle East? Hezbollah, Hamas or maybe the muslim brotherhood? Israel is our only friend in the Middle East and the only one that deserves our help and compassion.
Ron Paul wants to stop all foreign aid, how is that antisemitic?
As for Ron allowing some kind of "antisemitic dribble", if you were to ask Ron to tell someone to stop doing something, he would respond by saying, "I can't stop them from doing it. They are free to do as they please."
Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is "hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity." I fully understand what it means. Thankfully, there is an awakening among Christians in this country. Obama has already alienated the Jewish population. We need a President that supports Israel.
Yes, the President can support Israel without sending money. We shouldn't send any money to the Middle East. Israel is the only country that we should sell arms. We should give them anything that they need including the new stealth fighters.
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Or we could just not sell arms to anyone and not be a bunch of war mongers. Novel idea there.Israel is the only country that we should sell arms. We should give them anything that they need including the new stealth fighters.
Last edited by AZKing; 06-03-2011 at 06:13 PM.
Anti-semitism is a hatred towards semities. There are numerous types of semites. (Ironically, most of the Israeli-firsters are vehemently anti-semitic) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Semitic_peoples Clearly, you don't understand what anti-semitism is. You only understand one of the definitions of it.
If "supports Israel" means avoiding entangling alliances with the Israelis and end welfare to them, yes we do need a president who would do that.
My first inclination is to think, "How can anyone possibly believe this?" But then I remember that I used to believe it.
Edit: For what it's worth ddavis, I'm with you on how off-putting the blatant anti-semitism of some RP supporters is. It boggles the mind that they don't see how they come across to people looking into RP. I hope you let him speak for himself and give him an honest chance.
Last edited by erowe1; 06-03-2011 at 06:42 PM.
AZKing, I understand. I feel the same way when I see tax money going to groups like ACORN or Planned Parenthood.
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