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    Ron Paul Responds to President Obama's Middle East Speech


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    May 19, 2011


    LAKE JACKSON, Texas -- Ron Paul, a twelve-term U.S. congressman, member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and 2012 Republican Presidential Candidate, remarked on President Obama’s speech earlier today about the United States’ Middle East policy. Please see the statement below.

    “The President gave a speech today about our foreign policy in the Middle East, and once again this administration has proven that it does not understand a proper foreign policy for America. When will our leaders finally do what’s right for America and rethink this irrational approach we’ve followed for far too long?

    Israel is our close friend. While President Obama’s demand that Israel make hard concessions in her border conflicts may very well be in her long-term interest, only Israel can make that determination on her own, without pressure from the United States or coercion by the United Nations.

    Unlike this President, I do not believe it is our place to dictate how Israel runs her affairs. There can only be peace in the region if those sides work out their differences among one another. We should respect Israel’s sovereignty and not try to dictate her policy from Washington.

    “The President also defended his unconstitutional intervention in Libya, authorized not by the United States Congress but by the United Nations, and announced new plans to pressure Syria and force the leader of that country to step down.

    “Our military is already dangerously extended, and this administration wants to expand our involvement. When will our bombing in Libya end? Is President Obama seriously considering military action against Syria? We are facing $2 trillion dollar deficits, and the American taxpayer cannot afford any of it.

    “Our military’s purpose is to defend our country, not to police the Middle East.

    “As the President prepares to send even more support to Egypt, we should be reminded that it was our foreign aid that helped Mubarak retain power to repress his people in the first place. Now we have to deal with the consequences of those decisions, yet we keep repeating the same mistakes.

    “I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies. Most Americans know that makes no sense.

    “We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the Middle East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess so we set a good example, and allow them to work out their own conflicts.”


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    Out of everything he said, you picked "Israel is our close friend" for the thread title. Come on Frank. You could've at least added a "but...".
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Out of everything he said, you picked "Israel is our close friend" for the thread title. Come on Frank. You could've at least added a "but...".
    With all the Israel bashing on Ron Paul Forums, I figured I'd point out Ron Paul's view on Israel.
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    It's not my close friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    With all the Israel bashing on Ron Paul Forums, I figured I'd point out Ron Paul's view on Israel.
    nice catch
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    “I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies. Most Americans know that makes no sense." - Ron Paul

    That's a keeper, right there.

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    Israel is a parasitic, terrorist conglomerate that celebrates when the US is attacked:

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-n...srael-1.244044

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    With all the Israel bashing on Ron Paul Forums, I figured I'd point out Ron Paul's view on Israel.
    Oh, come on, you make it sound like that is the predominant theme. Most here are noninterventionist, across the board, and consider Israel an ally, but also a focus for trouble for us, since we tend to do idiotic things around that relationship. A couple or few, max are 'anti-Israel'.

    However, as evidenced by the comment above, those posters do seem to gravitate to threads like this. Frankly, the heading is counterproductive, to that extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t0rnado View Post
    Israel is a parasitic, terrorist conglomerate that celebrates when the US is attacked:

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/report-n...srael-1.244044
    Correct. If any nation on earth is a true enemy of the United States it is Israel and I don't believe that any country presents as big a threat to us as Israel does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    With all the Israel bashing on Ron Paul Forums, I figured I'd point out Ron Paul's view on Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    With all the Israel bashing on Ron Paul Forums, I figured I'd point out Ron Paul's view on Israel.
    If Ron Paul thinks Israel is a "close friend" I'd like to ask a question to Ron. If Israel was attacked in an act of war, should we help defend them?

    Judging by the last RP statement in the OP I'm guessing the answer would be no.
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    I wonder if there's a tendency for minarchists to be more virulently anti-Zionist than anarchists.

    As an anarchist, I'd say all nation-states are dangerous to the people within them. All borders are defined to keep sheep in a pen. All of them will try to expand those borders to accumulate more human livestock. I can't see why Israel is particularly worse than any other.

    Why do people think Israel has taken over the US? I agree with RP that it's more the other way around. In essence, he's saying Israel has been annexed as the 51st state. They have the right to secede.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    With all the Israel bashing on Ron Paul Forums, I figured I'd point out Ron Paul's view on Israel.
    Nice to read some diversity of opinion here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    With all the Israel bashing on Ron Paul Forums, I figured I'd point out Ron Paul's view on Israel.
    I think it's kind of like saying "I have a lot of gay friends..." before making a joke bashing gays. It may or may not be true, but you gotta cover your ass (strange unintended pun) in today's world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon View Post
    I think it's kind of like saying "I have a lot of gay friends..." before making a joke bashing gays. It may or may not be true, but you gotta cover your ass (strange unintended pun) in today's world.
    Ron Paul isn't bashing Israel.
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    A fairweather friend indeed. We've been warned what will happen if foreign and military aid to the Israel, IMF, NATO, UN. All treaties which must be honored as law of the land. I want to believe that Ron Paul has studied the subject thoroughly and will make the correct decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Ron Paul isn't bashing Israel.
    There's just no explaining that to anyone. For whatever reason, there is a large contingent of Ron Paul supporters ( Supporters!) who hate Israel, Jews, Mexicans, nose picking, whatever. They need to feel RP feels the same way.

    Maybe he does. Maybe I'm wrong. Who knows? I just think that is irrelevant to the point- the proper role of the U.S. federal government when it comes to intervening in the affairs of other nations.

    This is an important distinction to make. And I think you get that. Not supporting meddling in the affairs of Israel does not mean one is anti-Israel or an anti-semite or whatever other smear/characterization. Also, this is politics. For whatever reason some supporters want to reduce every policy position to beliefs that are not only often repugnant but also politically retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    If Ron Paul thinks Israel is a "close friend" I'd like to ask a question to Ron. If Israel was attacked in an act of war, should we help defend them?

    Judging by the last RP statement in the OP I'm guessing the answer would be no.
    It could easily be argued on principle that we shouldn't go to war to help any friend, no matter how close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Ron Paul isn't bashing Israel.
    And he also wasn't saying Israel was his friend. It was a loose analogy. I'm suggesting that he has to qualify his remarks with some sort of positive spin to avoid the political assassins who come after all who go near the 3rd rail of politics.
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    Guys, are you wanting to help Ron Paul win the Republican nomination? Last time I checked, the vast number of Republicans do not hate our soldiers, nor do they detest Israel. So, having comments all over the forums to those ends does not seem to be congruent with accomplishing our mission. Just my opinion though.
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    A close friend who does not deserve a single penny of tax payers welfare aid... like all the other close friends.

    Although with stuff like Lavon affair (false flag terror attacks on US/UK building in order to prolong US military presence in mideast) , Jonathon Pollard's massive US military secrets theft and transnfer to Russia via Israel, transfer of sensitive US military technology to China, one has to wonder does close=sincere in this relationship?

    Besides, a friend in need is friend indeed; how many troops Israel sent to front lines in Iraq, Afghanistan in America's hour of need?

    We know UK, Turkey, Jordan had their troops die in Afghanistan standing with America. Friendship is more than empty words and perpetual one way welfare aid gravy train.

    I don't recall leader of any other "friend" of America saying that 9/11 terror attacks were good for them like Israeli PM did in domestic hebrew conversation.

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    UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    However, as evidenced by the comment above, those posters do seem to gravitate to threads like this. Frankly, the heading is counterproductive, to that extent.
    It was really just bait for the haters to come out. I appreciate what Frank was attempting to do, but it wouldn't take a fortune teller to predict the reaction from some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Guys, are you wanting to help Ron Paul win the Republican nomination? Last time I checked, the vast number of Republicans do not hate our soliders, nor do they detest Israel. So, having comments all over the forums to those ends does not seem to be congruent with accomplishing our mission. Just my opinion though.
    You would hope some would self-regulate themselves a bit more.
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    So its, I would say; illustrative that the president would choose to say, "someone should face the music" when he knows the music is a show trial.

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    wouldn't it be better to educate our public on the problems with blindly defending Israel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chieppa1 View Post
    wouldn't it be better to educate our public on the problems with blindly defending Israel?
    Not nearly as effective as the current strategy of selling as in Israel's best interest to get out of her way. Same end result, better sales pitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    It was really just bait for the haters to come out. I appreciate what Frank was attempting to do, but it wouldn't take a fortune teller to predict the reaction from some.
    All the anti-Israel people are only hurting Ron Paul. I wish they understood that.
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    After reading this thread, I am shocked that Ron Paul supporters are accused if being anti Israel. Libertarians who are anti Israel. No way!!!!

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    I'm thinking Lord Barry's speech is just to set up a facade of strife between the US and Israel prior to initiating an attack in Syria or somewhere else in the Middle East.

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    Of course they're our friends!!! We give them billions of dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    You would hope some would self-regulate themselves a bit more.
    Yup. That is my hope.

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