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    DUMBFOUNDED: You have NO RIGHT to resist UNLAWFUL entry of Police to your HOME in IN

    http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/g...3df229697.html

    Court: No right to resist illegal cop entry into home

    INDIANAPOLIS | Overturning a common law dating back to the English Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes.

    In a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David writing for the court said if a police officer wants to enter a home for any reason or no reason at all, a homeowner cannot do anything to block the officer's entry.

    "We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."
    Much more at the link here....

    Seriously, I am pretty much in shock an American court could rule this way. Actually, no I am not.
    Last edited by Cowlesy; 05-13-2011 at 04:56 PM.
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    My natural right as a living organism to defend myself from harm can never be taken away by law. I will defend myself no matter what the circumstances or consequences are, as will most living organisms.
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    How about if we show up where they are sleeping?


    P.S. You know. In the name of safety and all.

  5. #4
    Oh, well, if that's what that state wants to do, the 10th amendment allows them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIMB0B View Post
    Oh, well, if that's what that state wants to do, the 10th amendment allows them.
    Don't know about that, it's in conflict with the 4th, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Don't know about that, it's in conflict with the 4th, no?

    Yeah..that's what I thought. Also figured that the State itself must have something in it's constitution in regards to the issue.

    The 10th amendment doesn't give state govt's the right to do anything they see fit.

  8. #7
    Your so-called elected officials that so-called, represent the people.

    Frankly, they're $#@!in nuts to allow this. It's like the mafioso crime families entering your business and home, shakin you down at will with no limits if they wish, then the colluding conspirator judges and courts backing up their roving thugs.

    Who is writing this legislation for these judges to stamp the seal of approval(rule over the masses)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Don't know about that, it's in conflict with the 4th, no?
    Yep. I missed that.

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    Remember, it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. If you understand this, I don't think this law stops you.
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    How do you know they are police at 3am? You have a duty to protect your family.

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    Now, in Indiana, when your door gets kicked in at oh dark thirty in the morning, you now must assume they are cops and sit quietly and submit to whatever comes next.

    Got that, Mundane?

    Look for more of this as time goes by.

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    And that is why things like this are happening more and more often.

    Off duty Marine gunned down by SWAT team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Now, in Indiana, when your door gets kicked in at oh dark thirty in the morning, you now must assume they are cops and sit quietly and submit to whatever comes next.

    Got that, Mundane?

    Look for more of this as time goes by.
    It's been happening in Indiana for a while...

    "At common law, a person was privileged to resist an unlawful arrest. See Gross v. State, 186 Ind. 581, 583, 117 N.E. 562, 564 (1917). Our courts, however, have uniformly accepted that this common law rule is outmoded in today‟s modern society. See Fields v. State, 178 Ind. App. 350, 355, 382 N.E.2d 972, 975 (1978) (holding that a private citizen may not use force or resist a peaceful arrest(If it exist in today's violence driving police force) by one he knows or has good reason to believe is an authorized officer perform-ing his duties, regardless of whether the arrest is legal or illegal)"
    "IF GOD DIDN'T WANT TO HELP AMERICA, THEN WE WOULD HAVE Hillary Clinton"!!
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    No way in hell, nor anyplace else.
    And there is case law and history. This decision is unprecedented and contrary to established law.
    http://constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.txt
    Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest

    “Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting
    officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This
    premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the
    case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the
    officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally
    accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with
    very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right
    to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What
    may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter
    in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been
    committed.”

    “An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without
    affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction,
    and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the
    arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will
    be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111.
    491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v.
    Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau,
    241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

    “When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right
    to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by
    force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense,
    his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80;
    Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

    “These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an
    arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by
    the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private
    individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State,
    26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State,
    43 Tex. 93, 903.

    “An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to
    be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in
    defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and
    battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

    “Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case,
    the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer
    and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v.
    Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

    “One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as
    he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus
    it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an
    officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without
    resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

    “Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In
    his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which
    the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various
    branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be
    no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the
    Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded,
    ‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by
    human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in
    extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous
    injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford
    University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the
    case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.

    As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable,
    and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of
    the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the
    peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy
    v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)
    However it is expected, and I am unsurprised.
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  18. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Now, in Indiana, when your door gets kicked in at oh dark thirty in the morning, you now must assume they are cops and sit quietly and submit to whatever comes next.

    Got that, Mundane?

    Look for more of this as time goes by.
    Amazing, isn't it? Police are set up to fight crime. Police begin committing crimes. Then regulations are passed to make it easier for the police to commit crimes. Which, of course, just makes it much easier for criminals to commit crimes. Sort of like the 'entrapment special' unmarked patrol cars, which allow rapists to snag their victims with just a flashing red light.

    Grab Constitution, wipe ass.
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  20. #17
    You don't own your house.

    You're just renting it from the government (property taxes) who will periodically break in and cause a ruckus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tasteless View Post
    Remember, it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. If you understand this, I don't think this law stops you.
    Only that works some of the time. If it is a ""legal" or "non legal" bust and law enforcement breaks into your home, then you would be carried by 6 anyway. Only time this would work is if some non law enforcement were to break in and you shot them. Of course that would end the battle and you could be judged by 12. Law enforcement isn't usually going to let you live if you resist and shoot some of them, so it will usually be carried by 6 rather than judged by 12.
    Last edited by Dr.3D; 05-13-2011 at 06:04 PM.

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    "We believe ... a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence," David said. "We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties involved without preventing the arrest."
    Classic. Now resisting tyranny is bad because it could cause unnecessary violence.

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    "The law is an ass." - Charles Dickens
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    This is some $#@!ed up bull$#@!.

    And should not be followed.

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    People need to keep in mind that they have Rights, not because LAW EXISTS, because THEY as a Person Exist.

    When Laws are created, passed, and upheld in the Courts that deprive people of their Most Basic Rights, then We The People need to start depriving the Government of its Rights that it usurped from us to begin with.
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    Here's the deal: the dynamics of how police, legally, deal with us Mundanes has been changed.

    The force continuum has been altered, mostly by federal edict, (ETA - also civil suits, insurance companies and police unions have had a role in changing this dynamic) it is now circular rather than vertically oriented.

    What does that mean to us common folk?

    It means that government has fundamentally changed how it's front line enforcers react and deal with citizens.

    Let me be absolutely clear here: if an officer feels that "officer safety" is in jeopardy, he is now legally and civilly authorized, as this poor fellow found out, to blow you away like lint. That will also be the excuse used to let you bleed out and die in front of your screaming wife and kids. And who knows? If they make a move, they'll get blown away as well.

    Let me be as blunt and clear as I can be about this as well:

    DO NOT CALL COPS FOR ANY REASON.

    DO NOT TALK TO COPS FOR ANY REASON.


    These people have now made it clear, by their actions over and over and over again over the last 20 years or so, that they are nothing more than members of a vicious occupying army.

    Interaction with these people can prove fatal.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 05-13-2011 at 09:47 PM.

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    Might be coming to CA soon, cuz it sure is something my state will like to have...
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    The Entire Government has a Financial Incentive for people to break the law. They dont pass any laws for anyones benefit, they pass laws so that people will break them, so that government will profit from your Loss of Liberties.

    Using smellgood candles is not a Constitutional Right. How long until a law is passed where you can be fined for offending an officers nose when they break and enter into your home unlawfully. This is insult on top of injury and it is only going to get worse from here.
    1776 > 1984

    The FAILURE of the United States Government to operate and maintain an
    Honest Money System , which frees the ordinary man from the clutches of the money manipulators, is the single largest contributing factor to the World's current Economic Crisis.

    The Elimination of Privacy is the Architecture of Genocide

    Belief, Money, and Violence are the three ways all people are controlled

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    Our central bank is not privately owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanae Libertas View Post
    Might be coming to CA soon, cuz it sure is something my state will like to have...
    Ha Ha.

    When have they needed a law in California to allow them to do something like this?

    Well in a long time anyways. It felt like we used to have honest cops back when they upheld the law and did things like enforced the immigration laws. Now they seem to take their orders from outside of our country.

  31. #27
    There's always that pesky, second amendment that keeps "them" from total control...
    Last edited by TheeJoeGlass; 05-13-2011 at 07:36 PM.

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    Good job, Pericles. But believe it or not, it's actually, '...the law is a ass.'
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Here's the deal: the dynamics of how police, legally, deal with us Mundanes has been changed.

    The force continuum has been altered, mostly by federal edict, it is now circular rather than vertically oriented.

    What does that mean to us common folk?

    It means that government has fundamentally changed how it's front line enforcers react and deal with citizens.

    Let me be absolutely clear here: if an officer feels that "officer safety" is in jeopardy, he is now legally and civilly authorized, as this poor fellow found out, to blow you away like lint. That will also be the excuse used to let you bleed out and die in front of your screaming wife and kids. And who knows? If they make a move, they'll get blown away as well.

    Let me be as blunt and clear as I can be about this as well:

    DO NOT CALL COPS FOR ANY REASON.

    DO NOT TALK TO COPS FOR ANY REASON.


    These people have now made it clear, by their actions over and over and over again over the last 20 years or so, that they are nothing more than members of a vicious occupying army.

    Interaction with these people can prove fatal.
    Absolutely.
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    Just because a court says it doesn't make it so.
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