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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by ctb619 View Post
    I wonder how much the Chinese paid for the wreckage.
    Exactly what I was thinking.



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  3. #32
    There are pictures of virtually all military aircraft in the U.S. arsenal except this one. Secret , silent, black helicopters - freaking outstanding.



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  5. #33
    The crash could have been something like this

    "They [the Soviets] intend...to induce the Americans to adopt their own 'restructuring' and convergence of the Soviet and American systems ... Convergence will be accompanied by blood baths and political re-education camps in Western Europe and the United States. The Soviet strategists are counting on an economic depression in the United States and intend to introduce their reformed model of socialism with a human face as an alternative to the American system during the depression."
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  6. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    That rotor hub is very unusual. Stealth design.
    Looks like a Vitamix.

  7. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by axiomata View Post
    I wondered why it was such a priority to set charges on the downed heli. This explains it.
    The military will burn anything that is not immediately recoverable. There are very good reasons for it and its the norm in any situation.

  8. #36
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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    First I heard of it was today.
    And yeah. Crashing into a yard in the middle of town is hardly stealthy.

    Apparently we have different definitions of "hard landing". But I suppose crashing is hard.
    I know the diff I'm merely telling you what the initial reports I heard had said. They stated the helicopter had stalled and had to make a hard landing (as opposed to crashing into something, striking at an angle, etc.).
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by libertyjam View Post
    That is a stealth helicopter drone, much too small for a blackhawk
    My thoughts exactly. It looks too small to carry a single passenger, much less a team.
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  11. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    My thoughts exactly. It looks too small to carry a single passenger, much less a team.
    Again, the photo shows the tail rotor, not the main rotor. The size is consistent with a modified UH-60.

  12. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Someone should be on soon to explain the "Black Helicopters" don't exist and are just tin foil hat imaginations.
    Super Silent Black Helicopters in "stealth mode" that don't exist.

    Can't give that post enough rep.



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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    I know the diff I'm merely telling you what the initial reports I heard had said. They stated the helicopter had stalled and had to make a hard landing (as opposed to crashing into something, striking at an angle, etc.).
    Yeah,well.
    I had only heard how smooth and professional it was, but i don't have TV and didn't watch a bunch of it.
    A hard landing (to me) is when I spill my drink, or maybe jar my teeth.

    Crashing is when things break and need fixin'. Crash and burn is rather FUBAR.
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  15. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    My thoughts exactly. It looks too small to carry a single passenger, much less a team.
    It looks like it is just the tail rotor with associated elevators compared to the pic in a prior post.

  16. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    Russian Black Shark (Ka-50 "Hokum")
    "They [the Soviets] intend...to induce the Americans to adopt their own 'restructuring' and convergence of the Soviet and American systems ... Convergence will be accompanied by blood baths and political re-education camps in Western Europe and the United States. The Soviet strategists are counting on an economic depression in the United States and intend to introduce their reformed model of socialism with a human face as an alternative to the American system during the depression."
    Anatoliy Golitsyn The Perestroika Deception 1990


  17. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Yeah,well.
    I had only heard how smooth and professional it was, but i don't have TV and didn't watch a bunch of it.
    A hard landing (to me) is when I spill my drink, or maybe jar my teeth.

    Crashing is when things break and need fixin'. Crash and burn is rather FUBAR.
    I suppose it would have just been a hard landing if that wall hadn't been there to snap off the tail rotor.
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  18. #45
    Stealth modified MH-60. There is a reason they were able to get into Pakistan without lighting up the radars. The elite units get the most advances stuff but the Radar shielding probably added to much weight and they ran out of power attempting to transition into a OGE hover at that altitude. Absolutely standard procedure to destroy any wreaked aircraft if they can't recover it. They sure as hell couldn't recover this one.

    And OMG run for your lives, a black helicopter!!!! Having been called a black helicopter on a routine search and rescue mission I just have to laugh.

  19. #46
    Another view of the chopper.



    It's clearly a drone. And here's the one that was blown up.



    There's not enough of that one to identify.
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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  20. #47
    On second thought, maybe that's just a tail section.

    9/11 Thermate experiments

    Winston Churchhill on why the U.S. should have stayed OUT of World War I

    "I am so %^&*^ sick of this cult of Ron Paul. The Paulites. What is with these %^&*^ people? Why are there so many of them?" YouTube rant by "TheAmazingAtheist"

    "We as a country have lost faith and confidence in freedom." -- Ron Paul

    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. No need to make it a superhighway.
    Quote Originally Posted by osan View Post
    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    And OMG run for your lives, a black helicopter!!!! Having been called a black helicopter on a routine search and rescue mission I just have to laugh.
    So you are confirming the "black helicopter" stories?

    Government has been using military helicopters for SAR/surveillance/training across the US.



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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    On second thought, maybe that's just a tail section.

    It is, that's just the tail rotor section.

  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    It is, that's just the tail rotor section.
    Yes, one of heretofore unknown design. Speculated and artist rendition only.
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  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-points-of-fright View Post
    I suppose it would have just been a hard landing if that wall hadn't been there to snap off the tail rotor.
    That's just what I've been thinking. I would guess the tail was on the other side of the wall and they didn't notice it was missing when they destroyed the rest of it.

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Yes, one of heretofore unknown design. Speculated and artist rendition only.
    It doesn't look too radical in design.

    What I see there are two aerodynamic "plates" that are covering the tail rotor hub, most likely to reduce noise from center part of the hub, which contributes a great deal to the noise because of broken airflow over the hub center.

    I'm understanding that this was an unknown "classified" stealth version of a UH60.

    Is that correct?
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 05-04-2011 at 08:57 PM.

  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm understanding that this was an unknown "classified" stealth version of a UH60.

    Is that correct?
    That's the impression I'm getting.

    I mentioned that dream I had,, and not hearing the Chopper.
    I have very good hearing.
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  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    That's the impression I'm getting.

    I mentioned that dream I had,, and not hearing the Chopper.

    I have very good hearing.
    That you did Pete, that you did...

  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    So you are confirming the "black helicopter" stories?

    Government has been using military helicopters for SAR/surveillance/training across the US.

    All the time. National guard units first then federal units. There used to be what was called a MAST (military Assistence to safety and transportation) mission where RA medevac units did all air medevac for areas that did not have a civilian medevac units.

    When a SAR manager requests a particular piece of equipment for a rescue or search it goes up the chain of command to the AFRCC and it is possibe to get resources you would never believe.

  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    All the time. National guard units first then federal units. There used to be what was called a MAST (military Assistence to safety and transportation) mission where RA medevac units did all air medevac for areas that did not have a civilian medevac units.

    When a SAR manager requests a particular piece of equipment for a rescue or search it goes up the chain of command to the AFRCC and it is possibe to get resources you would never believe.
    Or when it is declared a "drug op", like at Waco.

    My point is that people are not "nuts" for reporting military "black helicopters" involved in regular, long standing, operations in US airspace.



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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by ihsv View Post
    Sooooo... they couldn't bring in a heavy-lift chopper and fly the crashed bird out of there? They had to torch it and leave it?
    The Chinooks would have been loaded with all of the people and stuff going away. Not enough lift capacity immediately available to pull the wreck out, too. BTW, Pakistan and AFG are relatively high altitude countries, so helos have problems with the thinner air, and extra weight on them for SF use, adds to the problem.

    Every Blackhawk ride I went on in Europe was scary enough - no way would I want to ride in one in AFG.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

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  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by klamath View Post
    Stealth modified MH-60. There is a reason they were able to get into Pakistan without lighting up the radars. The elite units get the most advances stuff but the Radar shielding probably added to much weight and they ran out of power attempting to transition into a OGE hover at that altitude. Absolutely standard procedure to destroy any wreaked aircraft if they can't recover it. They sure as hell couldn't recover this one.

    And OMG run for your lives, a black helicopter!!!! Having been called a black helicopter on a routine search and rescue mission I just have to laugh.
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    It doesn't look too radical in design.

    What I see there are two aerodynamic "plates" that are covering the tail rotor hub, most likely to reduce noise from center part of the hub, which contributes a great deal to the noise because of broken airflow over the hub center.

    I'm understanding that this was an unknown "classified" stealth version of a UH60.

    Is that correct?
    Sounds about right. Added material to control noise, heat and reduce radar reflection.

    Initial reports did say that "radar evading" technology was used.

    As a taxpayer, I want to know why all of the expensive toys we are forced to pay for are so unreliable. Seems they can't do any missions without at least one aircraft having a malfunction. Didn't we lose an F-15 or something in Libya in the first couple of days of the attack on Libya? And of course we had Jimmy Carter's infamous rescue attempt of the Iranian hostages where they lost multiple helicopters due to malfunctions.
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  34. #59
    In this case, the other variable is night vision gear - you lose much of your depth perception with it, especially as actual distance between you and an object increase.

    The military has strict safety standards on max weight loads and such that the SF guys ignore, and that increases risk. Assuming they were doing the mock up at Hulbert Field, the aircraft properties will be a bit different in Pakistan than they are in Florida.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

    Duty is the most sublime word in the English language. Do your duty in all things. You can not do more than your duty. You should never wish to do less than your duty.

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    Do we really want to live in a country where when someone busts into your house at night you're supposed to assume they might be cops?
    Totally off topic, but I had been meaning to +1776 you on that sig line for a while now.

    Carry on.

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