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    Thumbs down Nationalism is nauseating

    This gratuitous display of nationalism is beyond nauseating. Nationalism is of course defined as the worship of one's government, usually accompanied by an aggressive impulse toward other countries. Patriotism on the other hand is the love of one's people and land.
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    Oh really? :collins: You have the option to leave the country then.
    You're right Matt, many people don't know much about Patriotism.
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    Socialism with a Flag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    This gratuitous display of nationalism is beyond nauseating. Nationalism is of course defined as the worship of one's government, usually accompanied by an aggressive impulse toward other countries. Patriotism on the other hand is the love of one's people and land.
    Thank-you! That is what I thought... but did not think i could say, given I am not American. Vomit icon
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    I really don't get it. How could you possibly be so emotionally connected like that? It's just weird, IMO.
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    Were the celebrations on VE DAY patriotism or nationalism?

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    Nationalism, Socialism and Propaganda

    Goebbels would be proud.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadheadForPaul View Post
    Were the celebrations on VE DAY patriotism or nationalism?
    The US government had no legitimate excuse to being involved in either of the World Wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    The US government had no legitimate excuse to being involved in either of the World Wars.
    Even with us having war declared on us and being attacked in WWII?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    The US government had no legitimate excuse to being involved in either of the World Wars.
    I completely agree in regards to WWI, but what about WWII? We were attacked by Japan, and I remember hearing the Hitler declared war on us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhudak17 View Post
    I completely agree in regards to WWI, but what about WWII? We were attacked by Japan, and I remember hearing the Hitler declared war on us.
    If the U.S. didn't enter WWI, WWII wouldn't have happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    The US government had no legitimate excuse to being involved in either of the World Wars.
    Oh, yeah, getting bombed isn't a legitimate excuse.

    I can understand VE and VJ day since everyone in the country was involved in the war. This fighting hasn't really effected us in quite the same way. We didn't have to ration, hundreds of thousands didn't die, daily life didn't stop. Life basically came to a stand still in WWII, it hasn't in this war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GK Chesterton
    It is often supposed that when people stop believing in God, they believe in nothing. Alas, it is worse than that. When they stop believing in God, they believe in anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rt. Hon. Edmund Burke
    Nothing is so fatal to religion as indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by low preference guy View Post
    If we didn't enter WWI, WWII wouldn't have happened.
    It's a bit too late to complain about that when you're getting bombed. At that point, you kind of just have to live with your mistakes and defend yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GK Chesterton
    It is often supposed that when people stop believing in God, they believe in nothing. Alas, it is worse than that. When they stop believing in God, they believe in anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rt. Hon. Edmund Burke
    Nothing is so fatal to religion as indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nate895 View Post
    It's a bit too late to complain about that when you're getting bombed. At that point, you kind of just have to live with your mistakes and defend yourself.
    I don't disagree with that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadheadForPaul View Post
    Were the celebrations on VE DAY patriotism or nationalism?
    Celebrating an end of war and troops coming home.

    I see neither of those happening today.
    Liberty is lost through complacency and a subservient mindset. When we accept or even welcome automobile checkpoints, random searches, mandatory identification cards, and paramilitary police in our streets, we have lost a vital part of our American heritage. America was born of protest, revolution, and mistrust of government. Subservient societies neither maintain nor deserve freedom for long.
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    It's all about Freedom

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    Quote Originally Posted by low preference guy View Post
    If the U.S. didn't enter WWI, WWII wouldn't have happened.
    Hardly

    WWII occurred because the British and French wanted to punish the Germans despite U.S. objections

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcosmar View Post
    Celebrating an end of war and troops coming home.

    I see neither of those happening today.
    Ok. Was it right to celebrate Hitler's death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nate895 View Post
    It's a bit too late to complain about that when you're getting bombed. At that point, you kind of just have to live with your mistakes and defend yourself.
    Well, it was blow back from the oil embargo but, I agree it was an act of war.

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    Last time I was at a base-ball game, and everyone got all religious during the national anthem, I felt like I was suddenly thrown in to a nut house. Its just creepy, and sad, and yeah.. nauseating..

    Sorry if I'm turning anyone off by saying that, but you can always go to this thread to become red-white-and-aroused again.

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    matt, thanks for this message board. it does a heart good to see that all of America isn't filled with sheep waving American flags.
    What I say is for entertainment purposes only!

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    "Celebrating an end of war and troops coming home. I see neither of those happening today. "

    We have to make it happen because the people out there celebrating believe its happened and want it to happen. I have no problem celebrating OBL's death for what it can do to liberate the country's mindset from the fear its been under for the last 10 years. And with this mindset free from fear, perhaps RP can influence more people to say "It's over. We've won. Let's come home."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BamaFanNKy View Post
    Well, it was blow back from the oil embargo but, I agree it was an act of war.
    I agree with you. Like I said, when the bombs drop, you just have live with your mistakes and defend yourself. You shouldn't make those mistakes again, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GK Chesterton
    It is often supposed that when people stop believing in God, they believe in nothing. Alas, it is worse than that. When they stop believing in God, they believe in anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rt. Hon. Edmund Burke
    Nothing is so fatal to religion as indifference.



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    Yeah there was one huge $#@! who even released a statement:

    “I commend our troops, the intelligence community, and the military leaders involved in both the administrations of Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama for their perseverance and courage in pursuit of this most grievous enemy of the United States of America.”

    What a tool whoever that is.
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    "Celebrating an end of war and troops coming home. I see neither of those happening today. "

    We have to make it happen because the people out there celebrating believe its happened and want it to happen. I have no problem celebrating OBL's death for what it can do to liberate the country's mindset from the fear its been under for the last 10 years. And with this mindset free from fear, perhaps RP can influence more people to say "It's over. We've won. Let's come home."

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    Speaking for nationalism in general, not necessarily toward the military, I don't think it is bad at all. Although I would like the country to be freer, I do take pride in the fact that I do live In one of the freest countries. Plus I love watching international sports and I love rooting for the USA!!

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    It is only temporary. It is only temporary. This will die down when people cannot afford to pay their bills.

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    It is only temporary. It is only temporary. This will die down when people cannot afford to pay their bills. Give it some time!

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