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    Warmongers killed Gadhafi's son today..


    At 4 minutes they interview the guy who was killed. Though you should start it at the beginning.

    Gaddafi survives air strikes; son killed
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    Lin Noueihed, Reuters · Apr. 30, 2011 | Last Updated: Apr. 30, 2011 10:47 PM ET

    TRIPOLI — Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi survived a NATO air strike on a Tripoli house that killed his youngest son and three grandchildren, a government spokesman said on Sunday.

    Libyan officials took journalists to the house, which had been hit by at least three missiles. The roof had completely caved in in some areas, leaving mangled rods of reinforcing steel hanging down among splintered chunks of concrete.

    “What we have now is the law of the jungle,” government spokesman Mussa Ibrahim told a news conference. “We think now it is clear to everyone that what is happening in Libya has nothing to do with the protection of civilians.”

    There was no immediate NATO reaction, nor was any independent confirmation of the deaths possible.

    The appearance of an assassination attempt against Gaddafi is likely to draw accusations NATO is overstepping a U.N. mandate for British and French-led air forces to launch strikes to protect civilians.

    Gaddafi, who seized power in a 1969 coup, is fighting an uprising by rebels who have seized much of the eastern part of Libya. He describes the rebels as religious extremists and Western agents who seek to seek control of Libya’s oil.

    Inside one part of the villa hit late on Saturday, a beige corner sofa was virtually untouched, but debris had caved in on other striped upholstered chairs. The blasts had been heard across the city late on Saturday.

    A table football machine stood outside in the garden in a wealthy residential area. Glass and debris covered the lawns and what appeared to be an unexploded missile lay in one corner.

    It appeared to be the second NATO strike near to Gaddafi in 24 hours. A missile struck near the television station early on Saturday when the Libyan leader was making an address in which he said he would never step down and offered talks to rebels.

    Benghazi rebels insist they cannot trust Gaddafi. The last few days have seen fierce shelling of rebel outposts in the west. A rebel spokesman in the mountain town of Zintan said government forces has showered the city with up to 30 powerful Grad missiles late in the evening.

    Tripoli has declared a sea blockade on the western outpost of Misrata, potentially robbing the rebels of a vital aid link to their eastern heartland.

    Celebratory rifle fire and car horns rang out in the rebels’ eastern capital of Benghazi as news of the attack spread.

    "The leader himself is in good health. He wasn’t harmed," Ibrahim said. "His wife is also in good health.

    "This was a direct operation to assassinate the leader of this country. This is not permitted by international law. It is not permitted by any moral code or principle."

    The announcement of the attack was made live on state television which later showed Tripoli residents marching on the streets, chanting "the martyr is the beloved of God." Some fired gunshots into the air.

    U.S. White House press secretary Jay Carney said the White House was aware of Libyan media reports Gaddafi’s son had been killed and was monitoring the situation.

    Ibrahim said Gaddafi’s youngest son, Saif Al-Arab, had been killed in the attack. Saif al-Arab, 29, is one of Gaddafi’s less prominent sons, with a limited role in the power structure. Ibrahim described him as a student who had studied in Germany.

    Gaddafi’s daughter was killed in a U.S. airstrike in 1986, ordered after a bomb attack on a West Berlin discotheque killed two U.S. servicemen. Washington linked Tripoli to the attack.

    "We will fight and fight if we have to," Ibrahim said. "The leader offered peace to NATO yesterday and NATO rejected it."

    Fighting in Libya’s civil war, which grew from protests for greater political freedom that have spread across the Arab world, has reached stalemate in recent weeks with neither side capable of achieving a decisive blow.

    Libyan forces had reached the gates of Benghazi last month when Gaddafi appeared on television declaring he would crush the rebellion, showing "no pity, no mercy." Days later the United Nations passed its resolution allowing the air strikes and saving the rebels from defeat.
    Last edited by OrokuSaki; 04-30-2011 at 11:07 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by treyfu View Post
    We?
    A coalition of the willing. Who else? Well take the blame for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treyfu View Post
    We?
    OrokuSaki must be one of the many who thinks there's no NATO without the U.S and U.S orders. I could be wrong, though.

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    'We' as in the countries who voted to "help" libya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrokuSaki View Post
    A coalition of the willing. Who else? Well take the blame for it.
    ummm...not all of us are "willing". That "We" should be changed to "those that support violence against foreigners in the name of the collective", or something like that. Using "we" in this context implies that every person involved is of like mind on the issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    Besides India, China, Brazil, Germany and Russia abstained. For helping libya is: US, Britain, France, Gabon, Bosnia, Colombia, Lebanon, Nigeria, Portugal and South Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    ummm...not all of us are "willing". That "We" should be changed to "those that support violence against foreigners in the name of the collective", or something like that. Using "we" in this context implies that every person involved is of like mind on the issue.
    Okay... Hmmm.. Warmongers?



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    Quote Originally Posted by OrokuSaki View Post
    'We' as in the countries who voted to "help" libya.
    Countries don't vote for this sort of thing. Countries are landmasses marked by invisible, arbitrary lines on a map. Specific PEOPLE voted for this action.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrokuSaki View Post
    Okay... Hmmm.. Warmongers?
    That works too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrokuSaki View Post
    'We' as in the countries who voted to "help" libya.
    i'm pretty sure there was no vote here. this is the sole work of a bloodthirsty lunatic named obama. i can get you his address if you would like to bring it up with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    i'm pretty sure there was no vote here. this is the sole work of a bloodthirsty lunatic named obama. i can get you his address if you would like to bring it up with him.
    Yeah, Obama, in fact most POTUS, could use a smirk adjustment ...
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    Saif al-Arab =/ Saif al-Islam. The former is the one who was killed and was the most 'moderate' of the Gaddafi family. The latter is the one in the video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrokuSaki View Post
    Besides India, China, Brazil, Germany and Russia abstained. For helping libya is: US, Britain, France, Gabon, Bosnia, Colombia, Lebanon, Nigeria, Portugal and South Africa.
    helping Libya or intervening in internal Libyan affairs

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    Who are the good guys? :collins:
    No one here wanted to be the Billionaire.

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    Obama and the other warmongers responsible for this are monsters.
    How young were the 3 grandchildren killed?
    And freedom’s flag, unfurled,
    Shall wave throughout the world.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaMom View Post
    Obama and the other warmongers responsible for this are monsters.
    How young were the 3 grandchildren killed?
    under 12
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    Quote Originally Posted by South Park Fan View Post
    Saif al-Arab =/ Saif al-Islam. The former is the one who was killed and was the most 'moderate' of the Gaddafi family. The latter is the one in the video.
    Here's the true instigator and terrorist: Nicholas Sarkozy
    Article is a good read... Sarkozy acting very odd to the point of vengeance, then we realize Sarkozy's history and background to his motives.http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article..._aint?page=0,1


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    boooooooooooo
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    America has no assasination policy. Get back in your airport screening line, feudal-slave. Pay your taxes. Obey. If you hear something, say something.
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    Latest out of Russia: http://en.rian.ru/trend/sanctions_against_gaddafi_2011/

    Russian MP lashes at NATO's Gaddafi-targeted air strike

    A NATO air strike in Tripoli, which Libyan authorities say killed a son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, was aimed at Gaddafi's physical destruction, a member of the Russian parliament said on Sunday.
    Konstantin Kosachyov, head of the State Duma international committee, said in an interview with RIA Novosti that the NATO operation in Libya was focusing on the indiscriminate use of force and was swerving away from the conflict resolution within the legal mandate.
    "A civil war is raging in Libya and with the interference of a third, external party, the situation is turning into an impasse," Kosachyov said, adding that last night's bombing of Gaddafi's residence was an attempt by the NATO coalition forces to get out of the impasse.
    The NATO airstrike on a wealthy residential area in Tripoli on Saturday killed Gaddafi's youngest son, Saif al-Arab, 29, who was a postgraduate student majoring in economy and not a military person, Libyan state-run JANA news agency earlier reported.
    The airstrike on Gaddafi's house also killed three of his grandchildren as well as several friends and neighbors, the agency said citing a statement from the government.
    Kosachyov said that civilians were killed during the NATO airstrike and that such tragedies were inevitable when the stated goals, even if the noblest ones, were beginning to be achieved by unlawful means.
    A total of 14 of the 28 NATO countries are taking part in the operation Unified Protector in Libya, which includes airstrikes, a no-fly zone and naval enforcement of an arms embargo.
    The UN Security Council adopted a resolution imposing a no-fly zone over Libya on March 17, paving the way for a military operation against Gaddafi which began two days later. The command of the operation was shifted from a U.S.-led international coalition to NATO in late March.
    MOSCOW, May 1 (RIA Novosti)


    Russia doubts statement that NATO not targeting Libya's Gaddafi - Foreign Ministry

    Russia doubts the statements by the NATO coalition that NATO airstrikes are not targeting Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Sunday.

    "Moscow perceives with growing alarm the reports about victims among civilians. The statements by the coalition members that the airstrikes against Libya are not aimed at physically destroying Muammar Gaddafi and members of his family cause serious doubts," the ministry said in a statement.

    The NATO airstrike on a wealthy residential area in Tripoli on Saturday killed Gaddafi's youngest son, Saif al-Arab, 29, who was a postgraduate student majoring in economy.

    The airstrike on Gaddafi's house also killed three of his grandchildren as well as several friends and neighbors, Libyan state-run JANA news agency earlier reported.

    "The disproportional use of force, all the more so, beyond the mandate of UN Security Council Resolution No. 1973, which in no way stipulates the replacement of the Libyan leadership, is leading to harmful consequences and the death of civilians," the statement said.
    "We are again calling for strict compliance with the provisions of the decisions made by the international community on the Libyan conflict, for an immediate ceasefire and the start of a political settlement without any preconditions," the statement said.
    (RIA Novosti)
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    The Libyan leader has eight biological and two adopted children... pay close attention to their professions
    http://en.rian.ru/infographics/20110328/163250484.html

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    I wonder what kind of things the U.S. "ruling class" will do against the people when they start mass protesting in earnest seeking the overthrow of D.C. and various institutions???

    When these protests have a very serious "ring" that is more than merely waving signs and going home for business as usual???
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrokuSaki View Post
    A coalition of the willing. Who else? Well take the blame for it.
    There is no such thing as "A coalition of the willing." Throughout world history, a tyranny made up of a minority has managed to persecute a vast majority of the people. See, you don't understand the significance of what it means to be an American. As a United States citizen, I am ruled over by a "more perfect union" which amounts to "a necessary tyranny or evil." This necessary tyranny ruling over me is not a means to an end (the point most people are confused about), but it is a necessary evil I have to endure in order to reach the desired end of a better overall contentment for the vast majority of the people.
    In other words, if desiring to, I could join the military to follow after a necessary tyrant (the commander and chief). However, I have no decision in being part of the military which protects the New Covenant (my neighbor). I am born as such in the standing militia to guard against tyranny both abroad and domestic.
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    I got a sinking feeling when I heard this.

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    Hey Obama, how many children did you kill today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Emanuel Watkins View Post
    There is no such thing as "A coalition of the willing." Throughout world history, a tyranny made up of a minority has managed to persecute a vast majority of the people. See, you don't understand the significance of what it means to be an American. As a United States citizen, I am ruled over by a "more perfect union" which amounts to "a necessary tyranny or evil." This necessary tyranny ruling over me is not a means to an end (the point most people are confused about), but it is a necessary evil I have to endure in order to reach the desired end of a better overall contentment for the vast majority of the people.
    In other words, if desiring to, I could join the military to follow after a necessary tyrant (the commander and chief). However, I have no decision in being part of the military which protects the New Covenant (my neighbor). I am born as such in the standing militia to guard against tyranny both abroad and domestic.
    Now you're contradicting your usual position. You're arguing that legal precedent ("necessary tyranny/evil") of manmade constitutions and such, whereas before you were arguing the transcendentalist view, basically that natural order/law comes to us from our Creator, and the legal aspect comes after that. (if I understand your previous long-winded essays correctly)
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    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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    If someone killed your son and grandsons, would you use nuclear weapons on them if you could? Now think what someone like Gaddafi would do..Wonder which innocent civilians are gonna get hit for the blowback this time..
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    Quote Originally Posted by eOs View Post
    If someone killed your son and grandsons, would you use nuclear weapons on them if you could? Now think what someone like Gaddafi would do..Wonder which innocent civilians are gonna get hit for the blowback this time..
    What would the US war machine's response be if Obama's daughters or the Bush twins got vaporized by a missile from Russia or Iran or North Korea?

    We, "us", the collected citizenry of the tax farm called the United States will have a lot to answer for when a "reckoning" finally comes due.

    This is what dead children killed by a US missile look like. Take good $#@!ing look America:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    What would the US war machine's response be if Obama's daughters or the Bush twins got vaporized by a missile from Russia or Iran or North Korea?

    We, "us", the collected citizenry of the tax farm called the United States will have a lot to answer for when a "reckoning" finally comes due.

    This is what dead children killed by a US missile look like. Take good $#@!ing look America:

    As long as war continues to be a nice, profitable racket for the regime and the war machine, we can expect this kind of murder and mayhem to continue indefinitely.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
    what works can never be discussed online. there is only one language the government understands, and until the people start speaking it by the magazine full... things will remain the same.
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