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    Owe thousands in back taxes and need to get out of the country? No problem. Under current law, the State Department can't withhold a passport over unpaid taxes.
    But that could change, if lawmakers decide to run with the findings of a new government report suggests Uncle Sam could recoup billions by blocking delinquent Americans from getting passports until they settle their debts to the IRS.

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    This should be huge news, and should be a multi thousand hit thread.

    When government starts thinking about blocking the exits, you know shit is preparing to go real bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This should be huge news, and should be a multi thousand hit thread.

    When government starts thinking about blocking the exits, you know shit is preparing to go real bad.
    yea thats what I was thinking but .......bump
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    what's next? debtors prison?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    what's next? debtors prison?
    yes, you'll know they are really serious when they start building that wall on the borders.
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    So its, I would say; illustrative that the president would choose to say, "someone should face the music" when he knows the music is a show trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    what's next? debtors prison?
    Wage garnishments have made those obsolete.

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    Funny how open borders start looking pretty good when you are the one trying to get into another country.
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    ^LOL. pretty soon you're gonna see americans on shoddily built rafts drifting their way towards cuba

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    what's next? debtors prison?
    Quote Originally Posted by Krugerrand View Post
    Wage garnishments have made those obsolete.
    Wrong. We already have debtors prison with "ability to earn" lifestyle child support laws. A non-custodial parent could be providing shelter, clothing and food for a child but if they fall $1 short on a lifestyle child support reward they end up in debtors prison. This is not uncommon in the US to find fathers providing support and paying hundreds to thousands a month and yet still being thrown in jail.

    Anyone behind in child support also cannot leave the country, they have their passports revoked and should they escape, the federal OCSE through international agreements maybe able to bring them back to the US.

    They take our rights through incremental legislation like this using propaganda slogans like "we all need to pay our fair share", "it is for the children" and "to keep us safe". The ignorant sheep then buy it hook, line and sinker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Wrong. We already have debtors prison with "ability to earn" lifestyle child support laws. A non-custodial parent could be providing shelter, clothing and food for a child but if they fall $1 short on a lifestyle child support reward they end up in debtors prison. This is not uncommon in the US to find fathers providing support and paying hundreds to thousands a month and yet still being thrown in jail.

    Anyone behind in child support also cannot leave the country, they have their passports revoked and should they escape, the federal OCSE through international agreements maybe able to bring them back to the US.

    They take our rights through incremental legislation like this using propaganda slogans like "we all need to pay our fair share", "it is for the children" and "to keep us safe". The ignorant sheep then buy it hook, line and sinker.
    Heartless exs can game the system easily. Mine only had to pay $5 every 30 days to stay out of jail and he most certainly didn't provide any material support of any kind. It took me years for the state to enforce even that minimal a standard upon him. Believe it or not he eventually failed to provide even the $5. Apparently my mileage has differed significantly from your above posted response. This was in Georgia, fwiw...
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    Quote Originally Posted by VBRonPaulFan View Post
    ^LOL. pretty soon you're gonna see americans on shoddily built rafts drifting their way towards cuba
    Amusing visual esp. considering I grew up in Miami (FL).

    Too true about tsghtf...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    what's next? debtors prison?
    When I saw the thread title, my initial reaction was the thought that the country itself is the debtor's prison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    This should be huge news, and should be a multi thousand hit thread.

    When government starts thinking about blocking the exits, you know shit is preparing to go real bad.
    Indeed. My insides have gone a bit cold over this one.
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    And we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient. That we are only 6% of the world's population, and that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94% of mankind. That we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity, and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem.
    I need an education in US history, from the ground up. Can you help point me to a comprehensive, unbiased, scholarly resource?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mini-Me View Post
    When I saw the thread title, my initial reaction was the thought that the country itself is the debtor's prison.

    Indeed. My insides have gone a bit cold over this one.
    Anybody who has the means should acquire dual citizenship. It can prove a ticket out of the country-debtor's-prison if things go sour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugerrand View Post
    Anybody who has the means should acquire dual citizenship. It can prove a ticket out of the country-debtor's-prison if things go sour.
    If you have a big family you're close with, that's not an option. Even if you don't, where would you go that isn't going to hell just as fast? If there is anywhere in the world for freedom-loving people to make their stand, it's here. This is my home, and I am not being driven out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by President John F. Kennedy
    And we must face the fact that the United States is neither omnipotent nor omniscient. That we are only 6% of the world's population, and that we cannot impose our will upon the other 94% of mankind. That we cannot right every wrong or reverse each adversity, and that therefore there cannot be an American solution to every world problem.
    I need an education in US history, from the ground up. Can you help point me to a comprehensive, unbiased, scholarly resource?

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    Quote Originally Posted by puppetmaster View Post
    But that could change, if lawmakers decide to run with the findings of a new government report suggests Uncle Sam could recoup billions by blocking delinquent Americans from getting passports until they settle their debts to the IRS.
    So anyone who wants to pay their debts and has cash overseas can't travel to get it?

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    The slaves must pay there masters or else the chains will not come off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stary Hickory View Post
    The slaves must pay there masters or else the chains will not come off!
    Even if you have relocated permanently to another country, through international tax agreements the IRS obligation is something like 9-10 years.

    They own us. We are all slaves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kotin View Post
    what's next? debtors prison?
    Yeah, its called a McJob.
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    The IRS needs to leave this country........before we should have to. They need to be shut down forcefully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kahless View Post
    Wrong. We already have debtors prison with "ability to earn" lifestyle child support laws. A non-custodial parent could be providing shelter, clothing and food for a child but if they fall $1 short on a lifestyle child support reward they end up in debtors prison. This is not uncommon in the US to find fathers providing support and paying hundreds to thousands a month and yet still being thrown in jail.

    Anyone behind in child support also cannot leave the country, they have their passports revoked and should they escape, the federal OCSE through international agreements maybe able to bring them back to the US.

    They take our rights through incremental legislation like this using propaganda slogans like "we all need to pay our fair share", "it is for the children" and "to keep us safe". The ignorant sheep then buy it hook, line and sinker.

    Child support enforcement can: seize all bank accounts, lien all property, garnish all wages/unemployment/etc, put you in prison, take your drivers license, audit all of your financials, impute income ("we think you should be making this much money"), harass you at work, etc etc.

    The list is quite lengthy.

    When a man enters the court with significant assets or cash flow they are now a target of the government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krugerrand View Post
    Anybody who has the means should acquire dual citizenship. It can prove a ticket out of the country-debtor's-prison if things go sour.
    Yeah. I've been looking into that and mulling it over for a few years. My Russian is getting pretty good, so I reckon when I save up the ca$h I'm going for dual citizenship in Russia or east europe.
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