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  1. #691
    Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

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  3. #692
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  4. #693
    That idiot Cortez broad is going to set back the cause of private, market driven passenger rail, back 100 years or more.

  5. #694
    Their leading ends are pivots on all but the very earliest.



    Trailing wheels first appeared on American locomotives between 1890 and 1895, but their axle worked in rigid pedestals. It enabled boilers to be lowered, since the top of the main frames was dropped down behind the driving wheels and under the firebox. The firebox could also be longer and wider, increasing the heating surface area and steam generation capacity of the boiler, and therefore its power. The concept was soon improved to provide radial lateral movement by placing the pair of trailing wheels and their axle in a fabricated sub-frame or truck, usually with outside bearings as they gave the best lateral riding stability. One-piece cast-steel trailer trucks were developed about 1915, to provide the additional strength for a booster engine to be fitted to the trailing axle. Finally, about 1921 the Delta trailing truck was developed with an inverted-rocker centering device at the rear ends of the truck frame. Delta trucks were soon enlarged to carry four trailing wheels, and later six.
    https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Trailing_wheel

    On certain Berkshires, Texas types and others, the trailing truck was actually a hinged section of the frame, like the forward ends of articulated locomotives.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 02-16-2019 at 05:41 PM.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

  6. #695
    Why do they call people who want government to do everything "progressives"? Government is the most regressive entity in the world!

    Not only has government pushed NYC-Chicago passenger train speed back from 1938 speeds to 1902 speeds, the government just managed to strand a train in the snow for days--for the first time since 1952!

    This is not progress.
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  7. #696
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Why do they call people who want government to do everything "progressives"? Government is the most regressive entity in the world!

    Not only has government pushed NYC-Chicago passenger train speed back from 1938 speeds to 1902 speeds, the government just managed to strand a train in the snow for days--for the first time since 1952!

    This is not progress.
    I was going to comment on that myself.



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  9. #697
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I was going to comment on that myself.
    Between driving schedules back a hundred ten years, reaching a level of incompetence in dealing with heavy weather last seen sixty-seven years ago, and turning the nation's first attempt at 200 mph running into a quagmire of unabated and unabashed corruption, the governments of California and the U.S. have really turned back the clock in many ways.

    In many others, they make us wish we could turn back the clock.

    If progressives really loved trains the way they claim to, they'd take them away from the government and do it yesterday!
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  10. #698
    A sight not seen, and a sound not heard, for half a century.

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    We believe our lying eyes...

  11. #699
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    A sight not seen, and a sound not heard, for half a century.

    That is just freaking incredible.

    Uncle Pete and the boys in the steam shop deserve a freaking medal.

    Well done!

    I had heard that first class, dome car tickets for the first excursions are going for $5000.00

    All of Cheyenne heard this, when 4014 got her voice back.

    at 7:02

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  12. #700
    85 ft 3.4 in long. 11 ft wide. 16 ft 2 1⁄2 in high. 762,000 lbs. Her boiler holds 300 lbs. per square inch. She has four cylinders, each with a 23.75 in bore and a 32 in stroke. She should produce 6,290 hp @ 41 mph.
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  13. #701
    Not to be outdone, back east we have:

    Western Maryland lays out timetable for final 1309 restoration push

    http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire...storation-push

    By Jim Wrinn | February 27, 2019

    CUMBERLAND, Md. — Western Maryland Scenic Railroad’s contractor on the restoration of Chesapeake & Ohio 2-6-6-2 No. 1309 on Wednesday laid out a timetable that leads to the engine’s debut for the long July 4 weekend.

    Gary Bensman in a video interview with Western Maryland Scenic Executive Director John Garner said his crew is focused on piping on the boiler and plans to install the rear engine in March, the front engine in April, and have the engine testing in May.

    The boiler was test fired last September but reassembly work was slowed while suppliers reproduced parts that went missing in a theft of items belonging to the engine.

    The $2.6 million project was delayed multiple times as the cost of the project grew from an early $800,000 estimate and funding lagged behind. Work resumed last spring, but was hampered after it was discovered that a former railroad employee had stolen and scrapped critical parts.

    On Tuesday, the John Emery Rail Heritage Trust awarded the project $40,000.

    If this timetable holds, No. 1309 will hit the rails about the same time Union Pacific sends newly restored Big Boy No. 4014 on its inaugural voyage in May.

    When restoration is complete, No. 1309 will be the only operating compound-mallet type locomotive east of the Mississippi River. A 1309 Club has been created to find 200 donors interested raising money to finish the engine.

    To help, see, www.wmsr.com/support-co-1309-restoration/

    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  14. #702
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  15. #703
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    85 ft 3.4 in long. 11 ft wide. 16 ft 2 1⁄2 in high. 762,000 lbs. Her boiler holds 300 lbs. per square inch. She has four cylinders, each with a 23.75 in bore and a 32 in stroke. She should produce 6,290 hp @ 41 mph.
    I wonder how many Foot pounds of torque? a 17 HP agriculture steam traction engine can produce like 2,000 Ft pounds of torque or more.

  16. #704
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    85 ft 3.4 in long. 11 ft wide. 16 ft 2 1⁄2 in high. 762,000 lbs. Her boiler holds 300 lbs. per square inch. She has four cylinders, each with a 23.75 in bore and a 32 in stroke. She should produce 6,290 hp @ 41 mph.
    I'm heading down to Maryland this summer, to get some pics and video and take a ride.

    You heading out west?
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  18. #705
    Quote Originally Posted by ATruepatriot View Post
    I wonder how many Foot pounds of torque? a 17 HP agriculture steam traction engine can produce like 2,000 Ft pounds of torque or more.
    The C & O 1309 Mallet produces 98,700 ft-lbs.

    I reckon 1404 is similar.

    Both of these massive Mallet engines were both designed and built for the same purpose: to haul massive, 200 plus car consists of coal over the mountain passes.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  19. #706
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    The C & O 1309 Mallet produces 98,700 ft-lbs.

    I reckon 1404 is similar.

    Both of these massive Mallet engines were both designed and built for the same purpose: to haul massive, 200 plus car consists of coal over the mountain passes.
    Thank you. I always found it interesting how much more torque steam produces compared to horsepower. Torque is the where the true power is at.

  20. #707
    More 1404 "Big Boy" underway footage.

    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  21. #708
    Conway Scenic 7470 back in service.

    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  22. #709
    Progressives have dragged us into the nineteenth century: The dining car to disappear from government trains.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...AAHE3Xs#page=2

    Step one: Airline food. Step two: Stops at roach coaches. Because the way to entice people onto the most environmentally-friendly mode of travel is to make it just as uncivilized as every other mode of travel.

    And still people drive hours just to ride in a circle on dinner trains--provided the government doesn't operate them.




    Why do programmers tell autocorrect to replace hyphens with gibberish? Does anyone know?
    Last edited by acptulsa; 09-24-2019 at 03:58 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  23. #710
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Progressives have dragged us into the nineteenth century: The dining car to disappear from government trains.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...AAHE3Xs#page=2

    Step one: Airline food. Step two: Stops at roach coaches. Because the way to entice people onto the most environmentally of fiend my mode of travel is to make it just as uncivilized as every other mode of travel.

    And still people drive hours just to ride in a circle on dinner trains--provided the government doesn't operate them.
    FFS...Anthrax.

    killing the traditional dining car to create more “flexible” and “contemporary” dining options.
    Like you said, people will line up and pay top dollar to dead head around in a circular dinner train.

    I reckon that most people traveling long distance by train are there because they don't particularly care about flexibility and being contemporary.

    Tradition, on the other hand...

    Step one: Airline food. Step two: Stops at roach coaches. Because the way to entice people onto the most environmentally of fiend my friendly mode of travel is to make it just as uncivilized as every other mode of travel
    Step Three: TSA strip searches.

    That is just what transportation has become...uncivilized...uncouth...badly mannered.

    All modes...including driving.

    Idiocracy.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 09-24-2019 at 03:51 PM.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  24. #711
    Speaking of: they just moved N&W 611 to Strasbourg, for FRA inspections, then to pull tourist excursions and dinner trains through the fall.

    IIRC that is one of Lowey's designs as well.


  25. #712
    Tories Promise Half a Billion to Reopen Railways They Closed 50 Years Ago

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/201...-50-years-ago/

    OLIVER JJ LANE 15 Nov 2019

    Boris Johnson’s Conservatives have said they want to “banish the shadow” of wholesale railway closures and demolitions by spending £500 million on reopening old routes, but neglected to mention it was their party which closed them in the first place. Meanwhile, the Labour Party want to blight the railway network with outright nationalisation.
    The new election giveaway was announced by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps on Friday morning when he revealed the enormous impact on regional and local communities of the British government’s destructive programme of branch line railway closures in the 1950s and ’60s.

    Invoking the name of the British industrialist commissioned by the government to write a report on the future of the railways — Imperial Chemical Industries chairman Dr Richard Beeching — Shapps wrote: “Let’s banish the shadow of Beeching and restore those connections that made our country great and brought our people together.”

    Illustrating the scale of the disaster visited upon the United Kingdom by closing the railways, Shapps said: “The fifth of the country most exposed to closures between 1950 and 1980 saw 24 per cent less population growth than the fifth least exposed.”

    Yet what the Conservative minister failed to illustrate in his announcement, and what the story in the Tory-supporting Daily Telegraph published to accompany the half-billion-sterling giveaway failed to mention, is that these closures were the work of a Conservative government.

    While the railway professionals who had built and run Britain’s railways as private enterprises understood that while local lines were loss-making when viewed in isolation, they fed passengers into the greater trunk routes and helped keep the railway as a whole working efficiently and profitably.

    This subtlety was lost by the Conservative government of Harold Macmillan after the railways had come under increasing state control, and his administration decided it wanted to rationalise the railways — cutting the network of roots that supported the metaphorical tree.

    While Dr Beeching went down in history as the name damned by association with the infamous “axe” that swung on Britain’s railways, his report was commissioned and its findings enthusiastically leapt upon by Conservative government minister Ernest Marples.

    Why Marples, a self-made millionaire whose company built motorways for the government would have been so passionate about shutting down newly nationalised mass transit systems in favour of the government spending huge amounts of taxpayer’s money on building brand-new motorways, is a mystery which has been lost to history.

    Better remembered, perhaps, was his sensational fly-by-night escape abroad to tax haven Monaco, to escape prosecution over unpaid taxes and several outstanding lawsuits, in 1975.


    Brisitsh Conservative Party politician and Minister of Transport Ernest Marples (1907-1978) adjusts a flower in the buttonhole of his suit jacket in front of a crowd of construction workers as he prepares to open a new stretch of the M2 motorway from junction 2 at Rochester to junction 5 at Maidstone in Kent on 29th May 1963. (Photo by Topham/Daily Express/Hulton Archive/Getty Images)

    While reopening historic closed lines — notably connecting towns where the Conservatives defend narrow constituency majorities — may be a vote winner, the actual execution may prove difficult. The former railway land released when old lines were shut proved extremely popular with developers. Consequently, many town-centre shopping areas, supermarkets, industrial parks, and housing estates are built on the acres of land that suddenly became available in prime locations when former railway stations and shunting yards were demolished.

    Delivering convenient local rail services to areas where they are actually wanted — in town centres rather than in out of town so-called “parkway” stations which generally rely on cars or other public transport to access — could therefore make projects prohibitively expensive or politically impossible.

    In the rare cases of new rail projects already embarked upon across the United Kingdom in recent decades, a mixture of disinterest from central government, massive cost overruns and delays have been common features. Turning to light rail, which generally costs significantly less per mile, could be cost-effective for connecting local communities it is not immune from the cost and time drags that impacts so many major public projects.

    While the Conservatives are ignoring their own record on railways, the Labour party’s headline election promises on rail are certainly worse. The party’s hard-left leader Jeremy Corbyn is once again pushing his ambition to totally renationalise the railways. Quite apart from the enormous upfront cost, Britain’s previous experience of nationalised railways were overwhelmingly negative.

    Beyond leaving the railway network under the care of the government, whose interest in actually running railways blows in the wind and in the past it at times neglected and in others actively undermined, passenger numbers were in freefall for the entire period of government intervention leading to outright nationalisation.

    In a remarkable contrast that pro-nationalisation activists have yet to answer for, passenger numbers suddenly and massively surged from the moment Britain’s train operating companies were privatised in the 1990s, and continue to rise today.

    A Brexit party source, for their part, noted their continued — if at times unsung — role in driving the key narratives of the election, noting that the key areas being debated this week including investing in regional railways and enhancing the nation’s broadband connectivity were party policies months ago.
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  27. #713
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm heading down to Maryland this summer, to get some pics and video and take a ride.

    You heading out west?
    East.



    Not quite twenty miles
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...

  28. #714
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    East.



    Not quite twenty miles
    Outstanding...!
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  29. #715
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Outstanding...!
    They weren't working her hard, under 40. Nice clean stack. They seemed to have the diesel shut off. She has a pretty whistle.

    The locals who hadn't heard were sure confused why state highway 88 was lined with miles of parked cars.
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    We believe our lying eyes...

  30. #716
    Without government, who will build the great high speed rail in California?
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  31. #717
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    They weren't working her hard, under 40. Nice clean stack. They seemed to have the diesel shut off. She has a pretty whistle.

    The locals who hadn't heard were sure confused why state highway 88 was lined with miles of parked cars.
    I envy your experience...maybe someday I'll get out west to see for myself.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  32. #718
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  33. #719
    US SUGAR #148

    https://www.facebook.com/USSugarFL/v...739899733/?t=7

    Good - Fast - Cheap

    Nice to see they picked good and fast.

    Did a gorgeous job.

    Here's what she looked back in the 1970s, with Russ Howland at the throttle, next town over from where I grew up.



    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 06-13-2020 at 12:18 PM.
    Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. - Aristotle's Politics Book 5 Part 11

  34. #720
    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Globalist View Post
    What does he have to do with this thread? He was also a businessman, and these were his business:



    It amazes me how little love abolitionists are getting these days. It seems that particular part of history doesn't fit The Narrative.

    You can't set people at each other's throats by telling how one once worked to help the other.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 06-13-2020 at 08:31 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    We believe our lying eyes...



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