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    Obama: I didn't know about ATF's Gun Smuggling Operation to Mexican Drug Lords




    Obama says he didn’t inform Mexico of U.S. gun smuggling operation because he didn’t know about it


    My San Antonio
    March 24, 2011


    Under fire for an operation that allowed smuggling of U.S. weapons across the nation’s border with Mexico, President Obama said in an interview that neither he nor Attorney General Eric Holder authorized the controversial “Operation Fast and Furious.”

    The Mexican government has complained that it didn’t know about the U.S. operation that allowed guns to illegally cross the southwestern border so they could track the weapons.


    Mexico's Stance:

    CS Monitor
    March 9, 2011

    Mexico lawmakers livid over US 'Operation Fast and Furious'
    Mexican lawmakers have condemned the US 'Operation Fast and Furious,' which purportedly allows gun smuggling in order to track weapons to Mexican drug lords.



    Flashback:



    Brian Terry, Murdered Border Patrol Agent


    2011: ATF Agent Ordered to Let U.S. Guns Into Mexico
    ATF Agent John Dobson said he was ordered to let U.S. guns cross into Mexico in ATF Operation Fast and Furious, but he and colleagues became concerned and objected, their reports to supervisors and Justice Dept. being ignored until Dobson went to sen. Charles Grassley and blew the whistle. by Kelly Holt


    2011: ATF Linked to Border Patrol Agent's Murder

    An operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) known as Project Gunrunner has been implicated by whistleblowers, incriminating documents and the work of Senator Charles Grassley in the December murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, and now, the agent's family wants answers while the Justice Department is engaged in a “cover up.”

    2010: Border Patrol Agent Killed, Four Arrested So Far
    Four people have been arrested in connection with the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent who died this morning after a late-night shootout close to the Mexican border, officials said. At least one other suspect was still on the loose. by Alex Newman

    2010: New Details in Murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry
    Liberty News Network national correspondent and border-issues expert Andy Ramirez offers explosive details about the recent murder of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry by border bandits, including the news that agents were required to use non-lethal weapons against the heavily armed criminals. By Alex Newman
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    Didn't know what the departments under the supervision of the executive branch were up to, didn't know which branch of Constitutional government declares war, and still doesn't know why his airplane and two F-16s were buzzing Manhattan.

    What, exactly, does he know?
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    The buck stops here, Barry! MAN UP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Didn't know what the departments under the supervision of the executive branch were up to, didn't know which branch of Constitutional government declares war, and still doesn't know why his airplane and two F-16s were buzzing Manhattan.

    What, exactly, does he know?
    His baketball (baseball?) picks and his golf handicap score.

    Can we abolish BATFE yet?

    -t

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Didn't know what the departments under the supervision of the executive branch were up to, didn't know which branch of Constitutional government declares war, and still doesn't know why his airplane and two F-16s were buzzing Manhattan.

    What, exactly, does he know?
    Relax, he's a Constitutional scholar. He knows what he's doing...
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    Ignorance is bliss. Barry, Barry....
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    He has apparently come to terms with his not possibly getting a second term.
    The Republican nomination is going to get real ugly, real fast. A serial murdering cannibal arsonist pedophile on an iron lung has a good chance against Obama in 2012.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.



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    Is this proof that the elected civilian leadership are merely puppets and that the US govt is actually controlled by an unknown entity ?

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    I'm willing to stick my neck out here and say Obama is probably telling the truth.

    ATF has been off the reservation for decades now and pretty much does whatever the $#@! it wants, whenever it wants.

    Then again, that description fits roughly 80 percent of all government at the fed level.

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    The Department of Justice might be at the top of the blame list.




    'U.S. Justice Department ordered ATF to allow guns to cross border into Mexico which were used to kill American agents'


    Mail Online UK
    6th March 2011



    Justice Department Announces Success in Battle Against Firearms Trafficking and Recovery Act Funds to Build on Project Gunrunner

    Department of Justice
    October 1, 2009


    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    ...

    "The Department of Justice has pledged its unconditional commitment to better protect the Southwest Border with initiatives such as Project Gunrunner, by targeting the source of the violence -- the illegal firearms traffickers," said Ogden. "The Department of Justice is using the vital funding from the Recovery Act to continue to build an infrastructure to combat violent crime and firearms trafficking along our southwest border as part of Project Gunrunner."
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisharmor View Post
    he has apparently come to terms with his not possibly getting a second term.
    The republican nomination is going to get real ugly, real fast. a serial murdering cannibal arsonist pedophile on an iron lung has a good chance against obama in 2012.
    lol!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    I'm willing to stick my neck out here and say Obama is probably telling the truth.

    ATF has been off the reservation for decades now and pretty much does whatever the $#@! it wants, whenever it wants.

    Then again, that description fits roughly 80 percent of all government at the fed level.
    Yep... just like how the judicial system lets the police do whatever they want.
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    He didn't know about that first 1 million Tea Party march in DC either.
    Ron Paul let the cat out of the bag.

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    Rep. Darrell Issa


    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is threatening ATF boss Kenneth Melson with contempt of Congress charges if he continues to defy a subpoena demanding documents related to an operation being probed, known as “Fast and Furious,” that deliberately put high-powered weapons into the hands of known criminals.


    ATF Boss Threatened with Contempt Charge


    Alex Newman | The New American
    27 April 2011



    Related News:


    2011 - Sen. Grassley: ATF Provided Guns to Cartels

    2011 - ATF Linked to Border Agent’s Murder

    2010 - Border Patrol Agent Killed, Four Arrested So Far

    2010 - New Details in Murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry
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    Grab some popcorn and watch:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_16...-10391695.html

    The Obama admin mastermind behind this is suspected to be Dan Restrepo

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    So Obama doesn't know what the government is up to? Convenient for him I guess...
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    What does he know?
    Based on the idea of natural rights, government secures those rights to the individual by strictly negative intervention, making justice costless and easy of access; and beyond that it does not go. The State, on the other hand, both in its genesis and by its primary intention, is purely anti-social. It is not based on the idea of natural rights, but on the idea that the individual has no rights except those that the State may provisionally grant him. It has always made justice costly and difficult of access, and has invariably held itself above justice and common morality whenever it could advantage itself by so doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post

    Rep. Darrell Issa


    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is threatening ATF boss Kenneth Melson with contempt of Congress charges if he continues to defy a subpoena demanding documents related to an operation being probed, known as “Fast and Furious,” that deliberately put high-powered weapons into the hands of known criminals.


    ATF Boss Threatened with Contempt Charge


    Alex Newman | The New American
    27 April 2011



    Related News:


    2011 - Sen. Grassley: ATF Provided Guns to Cartels

    2011 - ATF Linked to Border Agent’s Murder

    2010 - Border Patrol Agent Killed, Four Arrested So Far

    2010 - New Details in Murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry
    Even if he did agree to release them they would get gagged on "National Security" grounds just like nearly every other piece of government information since 9/11.
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    But...but....but....Obama couldn't have known about it. There are no government conspiracies. Only incompetence.
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