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    Juarez, Mexico Murder Rate Up 40 Percent

    Last edited by FrankRep; 03-03-2011 at 10:21 AM.
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    Juarez murders are a product of drug prohibition, not open borders. "Closing" the borders won't solve the problems, just increase price and profit margins, if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kludge View Post
    Juarez murders are a product of drug prohibition, not open borders. "Closing" the borders won't solve the problems, just increase price and profit margins, if anything.
    The War of Drugs is Ineffective, but Mexico needs to take some Self-Responsibility and clean up the Crime & Corruption in their country.





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    highlights the danger posed to American citizens if the border is not more effectively sealed.
    Has the "ineffectively sealed border" led to increased crime in the US? Actually, the opposite is happening just across the Rio Grande.

    Meanwhile across the border in El Paso the murder rate has declined. One person was killed last year.
    http://borderwallinthenews.blogspot....rall-fall.html
    El Paso Times
    August 3, 2010
    by Daniel Borunda

    EL PASO -- About 1,700 homicides have occurred in Juárez this year. El Paso has had one.

    Despite the rampant bloodshed in Mexico, the overall crime rate in El Paso has decreased slightly this year.


    The drop in murders comes as the El Paso City Council mulls raising taxes or furloughing police officers. Neighborhood Watch groups this evening will get together for block parties as part of the anti-crime National Night Out.

    Police officials said crime is down 1 percent citywide with decreases in the number of murders, burglaries, auto thefts and vehicle break-ins. Assaults are up 4 percent and robberies have remained the same.

    One homicide this year is unusual even for a city that normally has few slayings. El Paso, estimated population of 751,000, had seven homicides at this time last year. The year ended with 13 homicides.
    "It almost defies explanation," said Jack Levin, one of the nation's best known criminologists. "I can't think of another city in the U.S., another large city, that has only had one homicide. It's absolutely outstanding."

    Homicides in recent years have been declining nationally with the aging of the baby boomer generation, said Levin, a professor at Northeastern University in Boston.

    Levin, in a telephone interview, said cities with large Latino immigrant populations, such as El Paso, San Diego and San Jose, Calif., tend to have low crime rates.

    "Immigrants -- whether from Mexico, Italy, or Poland -- have often left family and friends to have a new life and begin anew," Levin said. "They are very success oriented, middle class. They simply have a very low crime rate."

    But Levin said that while the immigrant factor helps explain El Paso's low crime numbers, it doesn't explain why murders would plummet one year to the next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kludge View Post
    Juarez murders are a product of drug prohibition, not open borders. "Closing" the borders won't solve the problems, just increase price and profit margins, if anything.
    This.
    In the end, it's never what you worry about that gets you.

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    Maybe if the BATFE was as interested in getting guns into the hands of honest Mexicans as it has been to arming the cartels, a short period of intense violence would lead to a more peaceful society.
    Out of every one hundred men they send us, ten should not even be here. Eighty will do nothing but serve as targets for the enemy. Nine are real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, upon them depends our success in battle. But one, ah the one, he is a real warrior, and he will bring the others back from battle alive.

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    Oh for crying out loud, stop with the false dichotomies already. Drug prohibition and open borders are both problems.

    Comparing Latin-American immigration to European, African and Asian immigration is not valid because we are separated from those continents by vast oceans. America cannot absorb an unlimited number of what are basically war refugees from a nation with whom we share a large land border.

    Furthermore, simply trying to save the good people who are trying to escape Mexico and create better lives for themselves in the long run does a disservice to the far greater majority of Mexicans who cannot escape, and who are forced to continue living in a country that is able to avoid addressing its serious problems in part because it has a more-prosperous and (slightly) less-corrupt neighbor right next door, as well as one that contains the world's most lucrative drug black market.

    It's not a race or ethnic issue. It's a political issue wherein the majority of citizens of both countries are being neglected and exploited by their respective governments. There needs to be reform regarding both drug laws and border security.
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    oh, Ciudad Juarez, Mexico that's major depository of ATF gun running OPS, eh? A lot of MONEY & POWER in the Drug War for Governments... both US and Central American
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    Quote Originally Posted by LinusVanPelt View Post
    Oh for crying out loud, stop with the false dichotomies already. Drug prohibition and open borders are both problems.

    Comparing Latin-American immigration to European, African and Asian immigration is not valid because we are separated from those continents by vast oceans. America cannot absorb an unlimited number of what are basically war refugees from a nation with whom we share a large land border.

    Furthermore, simply trying to save the good people who are trying to escape Mexico and create better lives for themselves in the long run does a disservice to the far greater majority of Mexicans who cannot escape, and who are forced to continue living in a country that is able to avoid addressing its serious problems in part because it has a more-prosperous and (slightly) less-corrupt neighbor right next door, as well as one that contains the world's most lucrative drug black market.

    It's not a race or ethnic issue. It's a political issue wherein the majority of citizens of both countries are being neglected and exploited by their respective governments. There needs to be reform regarding both drug laws and border security.
    I agree with most of what you say, but have to wonder at the part I bolded. I keep seeing things like this, and I wonder at the slip-up. Latin-American immigration is not necessarily Mexican immigration. Hell, even Mexican immigration is not necessarily that which originates on just the other side of the border.

    If you mean Mexican, say so. If you mean Latin-American as a broader term, say so. It's not that you're being overtly racist. It's that it's a silly mix-up and a personal pet peeve.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The substantial increase in the murder rate just across the southern border of the United States, notably in Juarez, Mexico, highlights the danger posed to American citizens if the border is not more effectively sealed by the War On Drugs.
    Fixed

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    The vast majority of people coming to the US from across our southern border come here for economic- not political or "war" reasons. They want jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    The War of Drugs is Ineffective, but Mexico needs to take some Self-Responsibility and clean up the Crime & Corruption in their country.
    That's impossible, just like it was impossible for the United States to beat organized crime during alcohol prohibition.



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