How $31 of pot gave mom a 10-year-prison sentence
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How $31 of pot gave mom a 10-year-prison sentence
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“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Sympathy for someone intentionally committing a crime? Yeah right.
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
- Edward R. Murrow
...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
I've heard of various attempted murder cases only getting 5 years...
"It is not enough these days to simply question authority. You must speak with it, too."
-Taylor Mali
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."
-Samuel Adams
-rep How about outrage for a ridiculous penalty for a victimless crime.Originally Posted by Warrior_of_Freedom
If you think punishing not only her, but forcing her husband and children to go 10 years without a wife and mother is a worthy punishment for selling a few grams of a harmless drug, then you have problems.
'Lex' commenter from thirdpartywatch.com:
"You know, most days I can barely get to work safely, trying to dodge all those “radical Islamic jihadists” bent on destroying us and our way of life and enslaving our womenfolk in this existential clash of civilizations. They are obviously a much bigger threat than the unseen forces in a distant city who take a third of my paycheck every two weeks to spend on things I never asked for and don’t approve of."
No one forced her to sell pot.
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
- Edward R. Murrow
...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
No one forced anyone to buy it either, so I fail to see where a rights violation is that would justify it a legitimate crime in the first place.
“The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended.” -Frédéric Bastiat
Wow.
Are you kidding??
The ultimate minority is the individual. Protect the individual from Democracy and you will protect all groups of individualsRightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. - Thomas JeffersonI must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
- Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear
Ah, so your morals are bound by laws? Use your brain please.
Dude, its a plant! It is no more dangerous than alcohol, which is legal. So can you tell me who or what property was harmed in this crime (besides the victim and her family)?
By your logic you'd think it's perfectly acceptable for China to lock people up for speaking out against their tyrranical government. It's the law, after all.
It doesn't matter how much you rationalize it! She didn't NEED to sell pot. She gambled and lost.
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
- Edward R. Murrow
...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
"Warrior of Freedom" huh?
This must not include the freedom to put what you want in your body?
If the government declared alcohol illegal tomorrow, would you stop drinking it?
So if the government made the sale oh Ho Hos illegal tomorrow, it would be alright to put people in prison for selling cupcakes? What is your standard for right and wrong? Government mandate? Then you are a statist.
FTA:
Being able to put food on the table and a roof over your kids heads is a helluva motivator sometimes.Spottedcrow was unemployed and without a stable residence when arrested, the report states. The family lost their Oklahoma City home for not paying bills.
“When she needed money … this is the avenue she chose rather than finding legitimate employment,” the report states. “The defendant does not appear remorseful … and she makes justifications for her actions.”
This is the kind of asstarded logic that has gotten our country to the brink....
"Democracy, too, is a religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses." - H.L. Mencken
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt
I completely agree with your point, but lets not allow Warrior_of_Freedom to set the conversation. Lets focus on his premise that if something is against the law, it's wrong. There lies the fundamental flaw in his logic.
Troll, who was harmed by this "crime" other than herself and her family?
Edit: and your name is "Warrior of Freedom". What a joke.
Last edited by jclay2; 02-22-2011 at 11:11 PM.
That is true.
Coffee is a drug, and you have a picture of it as your avatar. They should put you in jail Warrior, for advocating drug use. No one forced you to do it.
At the very least you should be outraged our government spends on average at least $30,000 per year, for a cost of upwards of $300,000, to imprison her for posessing plant matter deemed evil by the state.
Coffee isn't outlawed and I'm not dealing illegal coffee beans intentionally when I know the consequences. Just because someone thinks something shouldn't be against the law doesn't mean the law doesn't affect them. It's not like pot being illegal is against freedom of speech.
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
- Edward R. Murrow
...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
"First they came for the pot smokers, and I did nothing, because I did not smoke pot"
...yet I considered myself a Warrior of Freedom.
You don't need to smoke pot to live. You don't need to sell pot to make a living. This event was completely avoidable.
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
- Edward R. Murrow
...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
What gives a government agency the right to decide what people can peacefully do with their own property?
Don't you understand that the prison-industrial complex/drug war is just a way for government to control you and steal from you???
So only that which is necessary to live is to be legal? Interesting concept.
You must believe strongly in prosecuting consensual crimes and the power of the state to regulate them at will.
May I suggest this book, so you can better understand the freedom we should have to commit consensual crimes as adults. Perhaps you could be a warrior for freedom for adults to choose, instead of advocating for their arrest.
http://mcwilliams.com/books/aint/toc.htm
CONTENTS
Front
AUTHOR'S NOTES
PART I
THE BASIC PREMISE
An Overview
What Are Consensual Crimes?
Separation of Society and State
Personal Morality Versus Governmental Morality
Relationship
PART II
WHY LAWS AGAINST CONSENSUAL
ACTIVITIES ARE NOT A GOOD IDEA
It's Un-American
Laws against Consensual Activities
Are Unconstitutional
Laws against Consensual Activities Violate
the Separation of Church and State,
Threatening the Freedom of and from Religion
Laws against Consensual Activities Are Opposed
to the Principles of Private Property,
Free Enterprise, Capitalism, and the Open Market
Enforcing Laws against Consensual Activities
is Very Expensive
Enforcing Laws against Consensual Activities
Destroys People's Lives
Intermission to Part II
Consensual Crimes Encourage Real Crimes
Consensual Crimes Corrupt Law Enforcement
The Cops Can't Catch 'Em; the Courts Can't
Handle 'Em; the Prisons Can't Hold 'Em
Consensual Crimes Promote Organized Crime
Consensual Crimes Corrupt the
Freedom of the Press
Laws against Consensual Activities
Teach Irresponsibility
Laws against Consensual Activities Are
Too Randomly Enforced to Be Either
a Deterrent or Fair
Laws against Consensual Activities
Discriminate against the Poor, Minorities, and Women
Problems Sometimes Associated with
Consensual Activities Cannot Be Solved
While They Are Crimes
Laws against Consensual Activities Create
a Society of Fear, Hatred, Bigotry, Oppression,
and Conformity; a Culture Opposed to
Personal Expression, Diversity, Freedom,
Choice and Growth
PART III
A CLOSER LOOK AT THE CONSENSUAL CRIMES
A Closer Look at the Consensual Crimes
Gambling
Drugs
How and Why Drugs Became Illegal
Opiates
Cocaine, Crack, Amphetamines
Psychedelics
Marijuana
Religious and Psychologically Therapeutic
Use of Drugs
Regenerative Use of Drugs and
Other Unorthodox Medical Practices
Prostitution
Pornography, Obscenity, Etc.
The Problem with Pornography
The Problem with Violence
The Problem with Censorship
The F-WORD
Violations of Marriage; Adultry, Fornication
Cohabitation, Bigamy, and Polygamy
Homosexuality
Unconventional Religious Practices
Unpopular Religious Practices
Suicide and Assisted Suicide
The Titanic Laws: Public Drunkenness, Loitering,
Vagrancy, Seat Belts, Motorcycle Helmets,
Public Nudity, Transvestism
PART IV
SIX CHAPTERS IN SEARCH OF A SHORTER BOOK
The Enlightenment or We Wer So Much Older Then;
We're Younger Than That Now
Prohibition: A Lesson in the Futility (and Danger) of Prohibiting
`
What Jesus and the Bible Really Said about Consensual Crimes
Old Testament Admonitions
Jesus of Nazareth and Consensual Crime
Jesus on Sex and Marriage
Jesus and the Separation of Church and State
His Master's Voice?
Jerry & Pat
Traditional Family Values
Putting the "Problem" in Perspective
Hypocrites
PART V
WHAT TO DO?
Education, Not Legislation
A Call to My Media Brethren
Protective Technology
Hemp for Victory
A State-By-State Look at Consensual Crime
We Must All Hang Together
The Politics of Change
About the Author
Acknowledgments
Copyright © 1996 Peter McWilliams & Prelude Press
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Last edited by Bruno; 02-22-2011 at 11:59 PM.
That which is not required, is prohibited.
She didn't steal from anyone. She didn't aggress against anyone. She was selling some agriculture for a living to voluntary customers, and was then kidnapped by men with guns, and thrown into a cage for 10 years.
Who committed the crime? Who's the victim?
Last edited by ClayTrainor; 02-23-2011 at 12:34 AM.
"One of the great victories of the state, is that the word "Anarchy" terrifies people but, the word "State" does not" - Tom Woods
It's her own damn fault just like the case with the woman and the juvenile who killed himself. What else did she expect from the police? The only difference is this woman got caught by police, the other woman snitched on her own child. I am not saying whether the law is right or wrong, but it's stupid to make such a big gamble over some profit.
A savage barbaric tribal society where thugs parade the streets and illegally assault and murder innocent civilians, yeah that is the alternative to having police. Oh wait, that is the police
We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home.
- Edward R. Murrow
...I think we have moral obligations to disobey unjust laws, because non-cooperation with evil is as much as a moral obligation as cooperation with good. - MLK Jr.
How to trigger a liberal: "I didn't get vaccinated."
Why did you both to quote me when you completely ignore what I said?
In my post you quote, 'm not saying whether is right or wrong (it is wrong, however), but that you should be outraged at spending $300,000 to combat a "crime" of $31 (in which the $31 was a consensual action between two adults (which shouldn't be illegal if you value freedom).
Last edited by Bruno; 02-23-2011 at 01:13 AM.
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