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Thread: Indiana House Democrats walk out on legislature, but in support of private sector unions

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    Indiana House Democrats walk out on legislature, but in support of private sector unions

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2011...t|IndyStar.com

    House Democrats are leaving the state rather than vote on anti-union legislation, The Indianapolis Star has learned.

    A source said Democrats are headed to Illinois, though it was possible some also might go to Kentucky. They need to go to a state with a Democratic governor to avoid being taken into police custody and returned to Indiana.

    The House was came into session this morning, with only two of the 40 Democrats present. Those two were needed to make a motion, and a seconding motion, for any procedural steps Democrats would want to take to ensure Republicans don’t do anything official without quorum.

    With only 58 legislators present, there was no quorum present to do business. The House needs 67 of its members to be present.

    Rep. Terri Austin, D-Anderson, told House Speaker Brian Bosma, R-Indianapolis, that Democrats “continue to be in caucus” to discuss potential amendments to several bills.

    Bosma said he was “flummoxed,” adjoured until noon, and labor union members watching in the gallery and hallway outside cheered the work stoppage.

    Today’s fight was triggered by Republicans pushing a bill that would bar unions and companies from negotiating a contract that requires non-union members to kick-in fees for representation. It’s become the latest in what is becoming a national fight over Republican attempts to eliminate or limit collective bargaining.

    House Minority Leader B. Patrick Bauer, D-South Bend, “has taken a page out of the Wisconsin Senate playbook apparently” by keeping his caucus in hiding, Bosma said. “They are shirking the job that they were hired to do.”

    In Wisconsin, Senate Democrats have fled to Illinois to deny Republicans the quorum they need to pass legislation limiting collective bargaining for many public employees.

    Asked at what point he would call in the Indiana State Police to attempt to round up the Democrats, Bosma said: “We’ll see how the day goes.”

    Gov. Mitch Daniels had said he supports the policy his party is pursuing in this legislation, but said earlier that this is not the year to do it with so many other critical legislation in the works, including his education reform agenda.

    Bosma said he spoke to Daniels and said the governor is “very supportive of our position to come in and try to do our work. He was not pleased that the Democrats weren’t here to do their work. And like me is just waiting to see how the course of the day proceeds.”

    Austin told reporters that “it doesn’t matter where they (Democrats) are at this point. What matters is that they’re trying to figure out a way to save the state from this radical agenda.”

    Asked if they were in the state, Austin said only: “They’re working hard.”

    The last time a prolonged walk-out happened in the Indiana legislature was in the mid-1990s, when Republicans were in control and tried to draw new legislative district maps, eliminating a district that likely would have been a Democrat one, in the middle of the decade. Democrats won that standoff, staying away several days until Republicans dropped the plan.
    This has the potential to blur the distinction of private and public unions in people's minds. It disappoints me to think that some people will group the two together and assume that there is no difference between the Wisconsin and Indiana legislature walkouts. I imagine this will be a topic we'll be needing to make clear this campaign season when it comes up in political discussion.
    Last edited by MRK; 02-22-2011 at 11:47 AM.



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    Article now headlined on Drudge.

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    Great.... this tactic is spreading, and its not going to help anything

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    and the said part is this bill just does not want it to be a condition of your employment that you have to join a union. I really wonder why the unions are so scared...maybe no one would be buying what the unions have to offer in todays world

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    As a resident of Indiana, I cannot see this move boding well for Democrats here. I suspect the vast majority of the population will turn on them quite sharply.

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    "Fine, let’s take a vote. Who wants fish for dinner?...Yeah, democracy ain’t so fun when it $#@!s you, huh?” -$#@! My Dad Says
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    Wisconsin knows how to fix the problem of runaway Democrats.



    Wisconsin Democrat state senators may be forced back into the Capital.

    Boom!

    Missing Wisconsin state senators lose direct-deposit paychecks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melissa View Post
    and the said part is this bill just does not want it to be a condition of your employment that you have to join a union. I really wonder why the unions are so scared...maybe no one would be buying what the unions have to offer in todays world
    Forced unionism and forced union dues is at the center of the issue. This alone is what props the whole union political system up. If those clauses go by the wayside, the socialist part of the political spectrum looses tons of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    This is democracy? Democrats in witness protection? Sad state of affairs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    Wisconsin knows how to fix the problem of runaway Democrats.



    Wisconsin Democrat state senators may be forced back into the Capital.

    Boom!

    Missing Wisconsin state senators lose direct-deposit paychecks
    http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/...osit-paychecks
    I love it. The Democrats should be ashamed of themselves. Forced unionization as a part of employment should be illegal. If the Union has such a great product to sell then people should volunteer their money for protection against the big bad private business owner.
    Dishonest money makes for dishonest people.

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    What is the difference between what these states are doing, and trying to convert to a 'right to work' state? Because, from what I've seen, ending forced mandatory dues/participation essentially renders Wisconsin, or Indiana, a 'right to work' state.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
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    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    I wish the Democrat state senators in my state would leave.

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    Open letter to Indiana and Wisconsin Republican State Representatives:

    Now that the Democrats have stopped trying to push their big-government agenda by vacating the Capitol, your job is done. Congratulations. Now please leave the Capitol also. You're not needed to fight back if the Democrats have gone.

    Thank you in advance.

    In the name of freedom,
    "You cannot solve these problems with war." - Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by mczerone View Post
    Open letter to Indiana and Wisconsin Republican State Representatives:

    Now that the Democrats have stopped trying to push their big-government agenda by vacating the Capitol, your job is done. Congratulations. Now please leave the Capitol also. You're not needed to fight back if the Democrats have gone.

    Thank you in advance.

    In the name of freedom,
    LMAO!

    You've slain the dragon. The fairy tale is over. You may go home now. Roll credits.
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Eliot's The Hollow Men

    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato

    We Are Running Out of Time - Mini Me

    Quote Originally Posted by Philhelm
    I part ways with "libertarianism" when it transitions from ideology grounded in logic into self-defeating autism for the sake of ideological purity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mczerone View Post
    Open letter to Indiana and Wisconsin Republican State Representatives:

    Now that the Democrats have stopped trying to push their big-government agenda by vacating the Capitol, your job is done. Congratulations. Now please leave the Capitol also. You're not needed to fight back if the Democrats have gone.

    Thank you in advance.

    In the name of freedom,
    hahahaha awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mczerone View Post
    Open letter to Indiana and Wisconsin Republican State Representatives:

    Now that the Democrats have stopped trying to push their big-government agenda by vacating the Capitol, your job is done. Congratulations. Now please leave the Capitol also. You're not needed to fight back if the Democrats have gone.

    Thank you in advance.

    In the name of freedom,
    Love this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    This is democracy? Democrats in witness protection? Sad state of affairs.
    It is a sad state of affairs, but this is not nor is it supposed to be a democracy. It is a Republic.



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