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this is one area I disagree a bit with Ron on. I really don't see how just walking out is unprofessional, especially when a hawkish neocon is given the "Defense of the Constitution" award...yelling, screaming, and making a rukus? Sure, definitely unprofessional, but just walking out? Eh, I don't personally see it that way, but that's me.
It's pretty much a question of whether you want to...
1) Think strategically for the long-term, consider the big picture, stay rational and level-headed, and respect Ron Paul's request.
2) Make an emotional outburst for immediate gratification, consequences be damned.
I'd say that number 1 is the "Ron Paul approach" while number 2 is the "Lew Rockwell approach."
Last edited by Gaius1981; 02-10-2011 at 09:41 PM.
I don't think screaming at Sean Hannity hurt us last time. Paul himself always stayed above the fray as he should, but people protesting was never a problem.
I can see more people voting for Romney though out of anti-Paul sentiment. There will probably be enough people to defeat Paul if they all combine together. Hopefully not though.
Last edited by Agorism; 02-10-2011 at 09:39 PM.
They booed Paul when he won last time, and they will do the same this time if he wins.
Just saying.
Last edited by Gaius1981; 02-10-2011 at 09:58 PM.
I'm getting old and fat and full of aches, pains and ailments caused by a lifetime of hard living.
And I'll still take my place out in the street with a bunch of hell raisers, if that's what it comes down to, than to sit on my hands and quietly swallow my bile and my pride to put up with that $#@! and play the polished, greasy game of "politics".
It's probably a good thing I don't show up to such events.
Last edited by Gaius1981; 02-10-2011 at 10:10 PM.
That's a very poor narrative summary. Lew's comment was a broad and complimentary one about the general anit-establishment/anti-neocon attitude of Paulian libertarians. He didn't specifically condone the folks who "misbehaved" (as it were). Leading up to CPAC, I didn't notice anything on LRC encouraging such behavior either. It seems you're reading too much into this and that you have a bias against Lew.
Is it possible that Ron Paul expected it to happen no matter what, and he just made the statement so the media couldn't say he was promoting it? Maybe Ron Paul doesn't give a $#@!, or maybe he is happy they did it anyway. He still needs to act professional. His support base needs to get excited.
"He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
"dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc
"You don't need a medical degree to spot obvious bullshit, that's actually a separate skill." -Scott Adams
"When you are divided, and angry, and controlled, you target those 'different' from you, not those responsible [controllers]" -Q
"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul
"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."
I'm one of the more utilitarian people on this board, and I still don't think this is a long term big deal.
Yes its true that even the liberals who respect the hecklers will gleefully vote against us later on. Then again, I think the Cheney crowd,which mostly exists in the beltway, would gleefully vote against us no matter how "respectful" we are. Dick Cheney had a 13% approval when he left office, and failed to turn an 08 Mississippi Congressional seat even after visiting. Are we going to start kissing up to Dan Quayle next?
CPAC will scarcely be discussed again a week from now. Everybody have fun and tip your waitress.
Civil disobedience
I wasn't comparing today's events to a "drunken dance party." That quote was in response to Anti Federalist's apparent opinion that good conduct doesn't matter when promoting Ron Paul, because the thing about freedom is that our nonsense should be tolerated by the electorate.
In any case though, appealing to Liberals is something which should be done after winning the Republican primaries, not before.
Last edited by Gaius1981; 02-10-2011 at 10:36 PM.
Disciplining your own kids instead of blaming someone else’s kids should be praised.
Sure it's a little uncomfortable when someone justifiably spanks their kids in church or a grocery store -but at least they're doing it.
Some folks discipline their kids in front of people, some take their kids out of sight and do it -and some do both.
The USA chanters are spoiling their kids.
Bunkloco
$#@! yea. LRC is this $#@!. Wish someone brought some snowballs in with them. No respect for war criminals and mass murderers.
Last edited by brandon; 02-10-2011 at 10:36 PM.
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