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    Did tariffs really cause the Civil War? Posted at Lew Rockwell . com

    Short answer, no.
    The tariff thesis is contentious because it is often interpreted as an attempt to displace the primacy of slavery as the underlying instigator of events in Civil War causality. In this simplified form, the argument may be easily disposed of by referring to South Carolina's Declaration of Immediate Causes, which attributed their action to "an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery." Yet as we will see, the tariff issue cannot be completely discounted from the discussion of Civil War causality.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/spl3/morrill-act-at-150.html
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    Civil War was to advance the empire using America's resources

    International bankers instigated the War Between the States as evidenced by the National Banking Act of 1864, actions of Salmon P. Chase, the 14th Amendment which explicitly states that the war debt to the bankers shall not be questioned, and the election of President Grant who promised to pay the bankers in gold rather than "Greenbacks."

    John Remington Graham makes quite a case for the bankers causing the war in his book "Blood Money: The Civil War and the Federal Reserve"
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

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    Good book - Blood Money: The Civil War and the Federal Reserve by John Remington Graham
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Interesting read.

    The short answer though, its not completely. The author is saying that the tariffs where an issue, although probably not the main and only issue, but still an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    International bankers instigated the War Between the States as evidenced by the National Banking Act of 1864, actions of Salmon P. Chase, the 14th Amendment which explicitly states that the war debt to the bankers shall not be questioned, and the election of President Grant who promised to pay the bankers in gold rather than "Greenbacks."

    John Remington Graham makes quite a case for the bankers causing the war in his book "Blood Money: The Civil War and the Federal Reserve"
    Werent the greenbacks created when the civil war started? I know the 1864 banking act centralized money and credit in the big banks, but both were after the war.

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    According to Griffin, he quotes Bismark, who claimed that the Rothschilds started the Civil War.
    "..and on Earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out...while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited Earth." -- Jesus of Nazareth

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugolp View Post
    Weren't the greenbacks created when the civil war started?
    I'm not an expert on this, I just read the book. John Remington Graham is very convincing because it is a well researched book.

    The way I understand it is yes, the greenbacks were created for the economy during the civil war and it remained the currency for several years. However, the bankers who financed the debt (which was ~ 50 times higher in 1866 than it was in 1860) demanded to be repaid in gold when the war was over.
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    I'm not an expert on this, I just read the book. John Remington Graham is very convincing because it is a well researched book.

    The way I understand it is yes, the greenbacks were created for the economy during the civil war and it remained the currency for several years. However, the bankers who financed the debt (which was ~ 50 times higher in 1866 than it was in 1860) demanded to be repaid in gold when the war was over.
    What bankers financed the debt? I thought that is why Lincoln printed the greenback, he didn't use the bankers. The greenback created inflation, which brought on the Panic of 1873. The Rothschilds did finance the Confederacy, though.
    "..and on Earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out...while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited Earth." -- Jesus of Nazareth

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    14th Amendment

    U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment

    Fourteenth Amendment - Rights Guaranteed Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process and Equal Protection

    Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section. 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Section. 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    Section. 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan



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    One thing to keep in mind, is that Lincoln showed how a government could print paper backed by nothing without any outside banks or investors involved. The banks that were set up were "national banks" that had Treasury Bonds as reserves. In the beginning, the North sold war bonds, but as the war progressed, Lincoln didn't even bother with war bonds; he just printed the paper. But what brought on his assignation by the bankers was that he proved that a government could print money without a central bank. So, the bankers took him out...and Garfield...and McKinley...and Kennedy (possibly Harding), according to Eustace Mullins.
    "..and on Earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out...while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited Earth." -- Jesus of Nazareth

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    Salmon P. Chase the man behind the greenback?


    Salmon Portland Chase (January 13, 1808 – May 7, 1873) was an American politician and jurist who served as U.S. Senator from Ohio and the 23rd Governor of Ohio; as U.S. Treasury Secretary under President Abraham Lincoln; and as the sixth Chief Justice of the United States.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmon_P._Chase
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan

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    he was also the same man as Supreme court judge that ruled the very same greenbacks he issued were unconstitutional

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    I'm not an expert on this, I just read the book. John Remington Graham is very convincing because it is a well researched book.

    The way I understand it is yes, the greenbacks were created for the economy during the civil war and it remained the currency for several years. However, the bankers who financed the debt (which was ~ 50 times higher in 1866 than it was in 1860) demanded to be repaid in gold when the war was over.
    Well, its not that uncomon that the bankers demand to be payed back in gold and not in pieces of paper that the government can print at will. Honestly I would demand the same. Even the communist Rusia demanded the spanish republic gold for weapons and help during the civil war and not government unbacked paper.

    Im not saying that the theory is wrong, Im just saying that the bankers demanding to be payed back in gold is nothing out of the normal.

    Quote Originally Posted by YumYum View Post
    One thing to keep in mind, is that Lincoln showed how a government could print paper backed by nothing without any outside banks or investors involved. The banks that were set up were "national banks" that had Treasury Bonds as reserves. In the beginning, the North sold war bonds, but as the war progressed, Lincoln didn't even bother with war bonds; he just printed the paper. But what brought on his assignation by the bankers was that he proved that a government could print money without a central bank. So, the bankers took him out...and Garfield...and McKinley...and Kennedy (possibly Harding), according to Eustace Mullins.
    Governments printing money is quite old and way tested and proven before. I might be getting the intention of the sentence wrong, but I dont see what exactly proved Lincoln that wasnt completely proven already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugolp View Post
    Well, its not that uncomon that the bankers demand to be payed back in gold and not in pieces of paper that the government can print at will. Honestly I would demand the same. Even the communist Rusia demanded the spanish republic gold for weapons and help during the civil war and not government unbacked paper.

    Im not saying that the theory is wrong, Im just saying that the bankers demanding to be payed back in gold is nothing out of the normal.
    I agree. I would demand gold too. However, the inference from Blood Money: The Civil War and the Federal Reserve is that rich elite instigated the Civil War in America to end slavery (rather than let slavery end peacefully like it did throughout the rest of the world) in order to take control of America's resources. America's debt rose ~ 50 times in short order because of the war, and while paper greenbacks were forced into the general economy, the bankers took the gold and the Southerner's resources to set-up Wall Street.

    The author chronicles how the divisive antagonisms between the North and South, finally erupting in the spring of 1861, were deliberately agitated by great international banking houses with the goal of provoking secession.

    According to Graham, these private interests fully succeeded and set up a huge financial empire centered on Wall Street, using public debt as the source of their wealth. This watershed book explores the economic causes of the Civil War, revealing how the Civil War would not have happened had it not been planned and fomented by Northern capitalists.
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan



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