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Thread: Gaza Woman killed by naked body scanner that stopped her pacemaker

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    Gaza Woman killed by naked body scanner that stopped her pacemaker

    A 57-year-old Palestinian woman with a pacemaker died over the weekend, after passing through the scanning machine at the Rafah Crossing between Gaza and Egypt. The woman, Fatima Mahmoud Abu Obeid, crossed over to Egypt along with her husband, and about half an hour later suddenly collapsed. She was taken by ambulance to a Rafah hospital on the Egyptian side where she was pronounced dead.

    Palestinian sources blamed her death on the border scanning machine, described as a "U.S.-made advanced portal using millimeter wave holographic technology to screen passengers for weapons and explosives."

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...death-1.157432



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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfirepower View Post
    A 57-year-old Palestinian woman with a pacemaker died over the weekend, after passing through the scanning machine at the Rafah Crossing between Gaza and Egypt. The woman, Fatima Mahmoud Abu Obeid, crossed over to Egypt along with her husband, and about half an hour later suddenly collapsed. She was taken by ambulance to a Rafah hospital on the Egyptian side where she was pronounced dead.

    Palestinian sources blamed her death on the border scanning machine, described as a "U.S.-made advanced portal using millimeter wave holographic technology to screen passengers for weapons and explosives."

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...death-1.157432
    +rep

    I had been looking for this story all damn day.

    Thanks for posting.

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    Security Scanner Blamed for Woman's Death
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    I think the preposition you're looking for in that thread title is 'on', not 'for'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    Security Scanner Blamed for Woman's Death
    The message is more important. I think there is nothing wrong in the title.
    Last edited by wildfirepower; 01-25-2011 at 10:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfirepower View Post
    The message is more important. I think there is nothing wrong in the title.
    No, I'm glad you posted it.
    "Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesn't want to hear.” -Ron Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    +rep

    I had been looking for this story all damn day.

    Thanks for posting.
    Anti Federalist, when I posted this article, I was thinking of you. I thought you will be happy with this information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfirepower View Post
    Anti Federalist, when I posted this article, I was thinking of you. I thought you will be happy with this information.
    I am, again, thanks for posting that. Not necessarily happy for this poor woman that had to die by being exposed to one of the regimes toys, but in that it's another powerful weapon to be used against them.

    I had heard of the incident and did a bunch of searches, but nothing came up and then I got busy doing other things, not the least of which was getting nauseated at the SOTU.

    If you don't mind, I'm going to ask a mod to include "naked body scanner" in the headline.
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 01-25-2011 at 10:23 PM.



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    140,000 US citizens DEAD from prescription drug usage last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    If you don't mind, I'm going to ask a mod to include "naked body scanner" in the headline.
    No problem. Please go ahead.

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    A.F. you were able to watch the SOTU long enough to get nauseated?

    To the OP, thanks for posting this. I'm working on a pamphlet to pass out attacking the porn scanners and this will definitely be part of that effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sailingaway View Post
    Security Scanner Blamed for Woman's Death
    Does Michael Chertoff get charged with Murder now?

    These scanners were dangerous, which the government never disclosed. Many MRI/X-ray experts stated you can tell by the levels of X-Rays and resolution of imaginery just how dangerous these scanners are to human beings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmdrake View Post
    A.F. you were able to watch the SOTU long enough to get nauseated?

    To the OP, thanks for posting this. I'm working on a pamphlet to pass out attacking the porn scanners and this will definitely be part of that effort.
    JM, no, I didn't watch.

    That would have caused spewage for sure.

    I just got slightly ill by reading the transcripts and comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD View Post
    These scanners were dangerous, which the government never disclosed. Many MRI/X-ray experts stated you can tell by the levels of X-Rays and resolution of imaginery just how dangerous these scanners are to human beings.
    I always thought X-ray are harmful to human body. If I am correct X-ray release some kind of radiation. But I am not a medical expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfirepower View Post
    I always thought X-ray are harmful to human body. If I am correct X-ray release some kind of radiation. But I am not a medical expert.
    X-Rays are radiation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray

    Health risks

    Diagnostic X-rays (primarily from CT scans due to the large dose used) increase the risk of developmental problems and cancer in those exposed.[27][28][29] X rays are classified as a carcinogen by both the World Health Organization's International Agency for Research on Cancer and the U.S. government.[30][31] It is estimated that 0.4% of current cancers in the United States are due to computed tomography (CT scans) performed in the past and that this may increase to as high as 1.5-2% with 2007 rates of CT usage.[32]

    Experimental and epidemiological data, currently do not support the proposition that there is a threshold dose of radiation below which there is no increased risk of cancer.[33] However, this is under increasing doubt.[34] It is estimated that the additional radiation will increase a person's cumulative risk of getting cancer by age 75 by 0.6–1.8%.[35] The amount of absorbed radiation depends upon the type of X-ray test and the body part involved.[36] CT and fluoroscopy entail higher doses of radiation than do plain X-rays.

    To place the increased risk in perspective, a plain chest X-ray or dental X-ray will expose a person to the same amount from background radiation that we are exposed to (depending upon location) everyday over 10 days.[37] Each such X-ray would add less than 1 per 1,000,000 to the lifetime cancer risk. An abdominal or chest CT would be the equivalent to 2–3 years of background radiation, increasing the lifetime cancer risk between 1 per 1,000 to 1 per 10,000.[37] For instance, the effective dose to the torso from a CT scan of the chest is about 5mSv.[38] This is compared to the roughly 40% chance of a US citizen developing cancer during their lifetime.[39] Accurate estimation of effective doses due to CT is difficult with the estimation uncertainty range of about ±19% to ±32% for adult head scans depending upon the method used.[40]

    Fathers exposed to diagnostic x-rays are more likely to have infants who contract leukemia, especially if exposure is closer to conception or includes two or more X-rays of the lower gastrointestinal (GI) tract or lower abdomen.[41] The risk of radiation is greater to unborn babies, so in pregnant patients, the benefits of the investigation (X-ray) should be balanced with the potential hazards to the unborn fetus.[42][43] In the US, there are an estimated 62 million CT scans performed annually, including more than 4 million on children.[36] Avoiding unnecessary X-rays (especially CT scans) will reduce radiation dose and any associated cancer risk.[44]

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    I thought pacemaker implant recipients were warned not to go through strong magnetic fields like the nekkid body scanners. I have an implant similar to a pacemaker (though not related to my heart), and I was told directly to avoid strong magnets. Medicial scanner operators (like MRI techs) can program the machine to pass over a sensitive area. Perhaps this could be a boneheaded mistake on her part, maybe not. In this case, I need more details to be certain if its another TSA $#@!-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    I thought pacemaker implant recipients were warned not to go through strong magnetic fields like the nekkid body scanners. I have an implant similar to a pacemaker (though not related to my heart), and I was told directly to avoid strong magnets. Medicial scanner operators (like MRI techs) can program the machine to pass over a sensitive area. Perhaps this could be a boneheaded mistake on her part, maybe not. In this case, I need more details to be certain if its another TSA $#@!-up.
    It happened in Gaza, so it wouldn't be TSA.

    It was one of "our" infernal machines though.

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    That's true, but that article gives a rather poor impression of CT scan risks. I have had several myself, and never got any cancer or any sort of weird condition.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126082398582691047.html
    "The CT -- short for computerized tomography scan -- can detect injuries and tumors. Its use has tripled in the U.S. since the early 1990s to more than 70 million in 2007. Though it has long been known that radiation increases a person's chance of getting cancer, the exact risk of these scans wasn't clear.

    One of the studies, which examined more than 1,000 adult patients at four hospitals, projected that the dose of radiation received in a single heart scan at age 40 would later result in cancer in 1 in 270 women and 1 in 600 men.

    Risks were lower for those who received a head CT scan: 1 in 8,100 women and 1 in 11,080 men would likely develop cancer from the radiation, the study said.

    Doses of radiation from the scans varied wildly, according to the study, even within the same procedure at the same hospital.

    Some patients got only one-tenth the radiation that others got, according to Rebecca Smith-Bindman, the first author on the study and a professor of radiology and biomedical imaging and epidemiology and biostatistics at the University of California San Francisco."

    IMO, overuse of X-rays and similar procedures is the greater, real problem. As I understand it, docs prescribe these things more often than they used to in order to avoid lawsuits.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Torchbearer
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    Eventually there will be more deaths due to the body scanners, starting with TSA agents who are exposed all day long getting cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    It happened in Gaza, so it wouldn't be TSA.

    It was one of "our" infernal machines though.
    TSA / DHS is being deployed overseas for "border security", just like the Coast guard is being deployed for "Coastal security" overseas.

    As to this article - I'm calling BULL $#@!!.

    How likely is it that a person in Gaza has a pacemaker? - not really likely.

    How likely is it that this kind of advanced scanner is used on that boarder, considering that the Israelis don't use them as part of their airport security measures, they are very expensive and this is a very poor boarder. - very unlikely.

    How likely would this be to happen in the US first where there are lots of porno-scanners and lots of pacemakers - VERY LIKELY!

    -t
    Last edited by tangent4ronpaul; 01-25-2011 at 11:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anti Federalist View Post
    Not necessarily happy for this poor woman that had to die by being exposed to one of the regimes toys, but in that it's another powerful weapon to be used against them.
    It is sad that the woman died. But this information may possibly save the lives and health of many other people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavenlyboy34 View Post
    One of the studies, which examined more than 1,000 adult patients at four hospitals, projected that the dose of radiation received in a single heart scan at age 40 would later result in cancer in 1 in 270 women and 1 in 600 men.
    After a nuclear explosion radiation survives in the atmosphere for 20 to 30 years.

    I think radiation bad affects may possibly surface after some years. Again I am not an expert.

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    According to government's own numbers, over half a MILLION people are dead, just in the US alone, because of a man made virus designed to be even more deadly than what would be found in nature, released, possibly on purpose, from a Chinese lab, a virus that that was created from funding and prior research given to the Chinese scientists by our own government because we, in fit of sanity, pulled the plug on funding here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaMom View Post
    Eventually there will be more deaths due to the body scanners, starting with TSA agents who are exposed all day long getting cancer.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they are all secretly issued flak jackets or something that they wear under their clothes to protect them.



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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfirepower View Post
    140,000 US citizens DEAD from prescription drug usage last year
    Could someone please confirm the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildfirepower View Post
    Could someone please confirm the above.
    In 2007 , Florida , of 168900 autopsies , three times more deaths from prescription than illegal drugs .

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    CDC stated Oct 09 that 16 states these deaths were more than car crashes .

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