Originally Posted by
Neil Desmond
Alright, you can disagree with my assessment, say that I'm foolish & wrong, and that I don't know what I'm talking about, etc. if you want; that would be fine with me. But no, I am indeed being serious here and am not going to yield to loaded arguments, ad hominem attack subterfuge, or other logical flaws & aberrance. So go right ahead and believe that I'm a this or that troll or whatever; I'm going to put zero effort into trying to persuade you of anything about myself. I am not going to go along with being made to feel compelled to prove myself; and as far as I'm concerned, I'm not obligated to do so, either. I'm also not familiar with the categorizations of "trolls" as you seem to be, nor do I care that much. The reason is because I try to put more effort into making good arguments and articulation of my positions, rather than trying to get my way with the forum audience by using cheap attempts to impress these individuals.
I believe that my argument was clear enough, but I'll go ahead and try again with a slightly different approach anyways: they're chasing someone who is not only refusing to pull over, but is also trying to flee from them and is driving like a maniac. It doesn't end there; it gets worse - it appears as though he's intentionally aiming right at that police officer and even gunning his vehicle while at it.
I myself have some philosophical issues and reservations about the way we're in essence forced to "delegate" law enforcement to a "corporation" on "our behalf," but not only are they still human beings, but they are also a layer of defense against troublemakers to society. If I see someone trying to run down that layer of defense like this perpetrator did when he tried to run over that cop, I'd probably be inclined to hop out of my own vehicle and pummel him myself, just like all those other cops did. Have you ever seen those police dash cam videos where a cop has someone pulled over, traffic's flowing by them, then someone comes along and slams right into their back? I've seen some where the other vehicles in traffic will chase after that vehicle and box it in so the perp can be brought to justice. There's even a video showing a prisoner attacking a guard, and dozens of other prisoners follow - not to attack the guard along with that first prisoner, but to protect the guard! We might be living in a figurative "prison" in a sense, but that goes to show you that even in an actual prison, the prisoners have enough sense to do the right thing. These things are the same kind of situation. Look, I prefer being a pacifist; but once someone draws blood or fires the first shot, they're fair game & all bets are off for that deal.
I imagine that if these police officers were in the wrong, a cop apologists might say something like, "well they meant well," "let's cut them some slack, because it's tough doing what they do." I'm not inclined to be a cop apologists, and in this case I don't think there's anything to apologize for on their behalf. Why don't you tell me why I shouldn't think that you are the one being some form of troll or apologist for perpetrators, here? Rather than whining about being at a loss of words, I suggest you look for the right ones to make & defend your own position. I will listen to & take seriously any well-structured argument or an attempt at it, and I have no problem with being shown that I'm mistaken about something.
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