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    Red: forbids the practice of Christianity

    Yellow: violence against Christians is endemic

    Here's a link to an interactive map mentioned below.
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    Interesting map, thanks. Would be nice to know where it's from though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnEngland View Post
    Interesting map, thanks. Would be nice to know where it's from though.
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    The reason we have an evil, immoral empire is that it is populated by evil, immoral peons. The State isn't a faceless monster...it is composed of all our petty, ignorant, self-righteous and self-absorbed neighbors.

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    I thought Somalia had no government. How could they forbid a religion?


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    Now post a map of all the non-Christian countries with inhabitants that were, in the last fifty years (or even 10), killed or maimed by the states of predominantly Christian inhabited countries, or have been in recent decades (or are) being aggressed upon in other ways by same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robert68 View Post
    Now post a map of all the non-Christian countries with inhabitants that were, in the last fifty years (or even 10), killed or maimed by the states of predominantly Christian inhabited countries, or have been in recent decades (or are) being aggressed upon by same.
    Yeah, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started because George Bush hates Islam. Obama really hates the Afghan Muslims, so he increased the troops there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by robert68 View Post
    Now post a map of all the non-Christian countries with inhabitants that were, in the last fifty years (or even 10), killed or maimed by the states of predominantly Christian inhabited countries, or have been in recent decades (or are) being aggressed upon by same.
    I'm not sure how that would be equivalent. This was not a map of oppressive non-Christian regimes, technically. There are areas not pictured on that map where life is not much of a picnic.

    The equivalent map would be to post one where a certain religion or having a religion at all is mandatory. That would constitute a ban on being atheist or agnostic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Yeah, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started because George Bush hates Islam. Obama really hates the Afghan Muslims, so he increased the troops there.
    Bush and his supporters certainly have Islam hatred in them, and they helped increase such hatred in the populace after 9/11, to help gain support for those wars. Also, wars like those arenít possible without significant backing of the citizenry.

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    How is it forbidden in Afghanistan? We pretty much run their government...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TodaysEpistleReading View Post


    Red: forbids the practice of Christianity

    Yellow: violence against Christians is endemic
    I was not aware of the Maldives ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by robert68 View Post
    Also, wars like those aren’t possible without significant backing of the citizenry.
    Just as recurrent terrorist actions don't occur without large amounts of people supporting them or sitting back and silently allowing them. I ask again, where are Muslims demonstrations? If such acts where done in the name of Christianity, there would be marches and demonstrations of all types of people, most significantly by Christians themselves. All you hear is Mossad. Impossible that it could be fanatics who believe they are following the teachings of their prophet. Even as they announce it before they carry their murderous deeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TodaysEpistleReading View Post
    Just as recurrent terrorist actions don't occur without large amounts of people supporting them or sitting back and silently allowing them.
    Got any evidence of this support? Or is this one of your lies that your mythical Jesus teaches you? By the way how do you silently allow something? Did American Christians silently allow the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children due to sanctions? Where were the demonstrations against such sanctions in America? Is it safe to say that American Christians view the deaths of those innocent children as "worth it" for their Christian leaders? I think it is.

    Just remember, only Christians are psychopathic enough to nuke entire cities.

    Your whining amuses me, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I thought Somalia had no government. How could they forbid a religion?
    Somalia is pretty well run by al Shabbab . They are cut throat murderers . Not sure what veiws they have specifically on other religions , but will tell you the people they are currently killing are of own religion , so I may have a pretty good idea .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExPatPaki View Post
    Got any evidence of this support? Or is this one of your lies that your mythical Jesus teaches you? By the way how do you silently allow something? Did American Christians silently allow the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children due to sanctions? Where were the demonstrations against such sanctions in America?

    Your whining amuses me, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExPatPaki View Post
    Just remember, only Christians are psychopathic enough to nuke entire cities.
    If Christians followed Christianity correctly, it would not be possible to nuke anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    Yeah, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were started because George Bush hates Islam. Obama really hates the Afghan Muslims, so he increased the troops there.
    Blackwater, led by a Christian crusader whose task was to "eliminate Islam" is responsible for many attacks against innocent Muslims. Where are the protests against Blackwater and Erik Prince in America?

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    An interactive map of nations where Christianity is restricted: http://www.persecution.com/public/re...m=bWFpbl9tZW51

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngbuck View Post
    An interactive map of nations where Christianity is restricted: http://www.persecution.com/public/re...m=bWFpbl9tZW51
    Added to the OP. Thanks. Very informative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I was not aware of the Maldives ??
    Here from the interactive map linked above:
    Maldives is a string of 1,190 islands in the Indian Ocean. Maldivians enjoy many democratic freedoms, with the exception of religion. Islam is the only recognized religion and is strongly promoted. Neither the press nor non-Muslims are allowed freedom of speech. Outsiders are allowed only brief visits to the Maldives, in order to keep their influence on Muslim communities minimal; however, the new president has said he plans to expand tourism to other inhabited
    islands. Ethnicity is linked to religion — Maldivians must be Muslim. A new translation of the Quran into the local language is almost ready. A former president promised that every household in the country would get a copy.

    Category: Restricted Nation
    Religion: Muslim 99.41%, Christian 0.10%
    Ideology: Islam
    Head of State: President Mohamed Nasheed

    Maldives is one of the least evangelized countries on earth. The 0.10% figure for Christians on the island refers to expatriate Christians. All citizens must be Muslim, and converts lose citizenship. The Maldives’ constitution, ratified August 2008, is based on the common Maldivian assumption that any citizen of the Maldives is automatically a Muslim. It states, “A non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives.” The constitution also stated “no law contrary to any tenet of Islam shall be enacted in the Maldives.” After the new constitution was approved, several human rights organizations named Maldives as one of the world’s worst in regard to religious freedom. Maldivian believers are carefully watched. They suffer ostracism, and they cannot openly meet together or read the Scriptures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy View Post
    I thought Somalia had no government. How could they forbid a religion?
    From the link above:
    Somalia SO

    DESCRIPTION Somalia has experienced continuous conflict for more than a decade. A transitional government maintains loose control
    over the capital, Mogadishu. Christians fear that the rise of radical Islam will lead to Shariah law and greater persecution. Islam is the official religion, and there is no official religious freedom. Article 5 of the Somali constitution states: “Promotion of any religion in the territory of Somaliland other than Islam is prohibited. The laws of the nation
    shall be grounded on, and shall not be valid, if they are contrary to Islamic Shariah.”

    Category: Restricted Nation
    Religion: Muslim 99.95%, Christian 0.05%
    Ideology: Islam
    Head of State: Transitional Federal President Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed

    Just one percent of Somalis are Christians — most are secret believers. It is difficult to know the exact number of underground churches. Islamic radicals, who have vowed to wipe out all Somali Christians, have murdered many. Persecution has intensified in the past 15 years. Persecutors are family members, clan members, Islamist extremists and local administrators. Distribution of the Somali Bible is possible only in refugee camps and outside the country. On Aug. 24, 2009, members of the Islamic militant group al Shabaab killed Ahmed Matan, a recent convert from Islam, near the Kenyan border. Other reports of violence against Christians in Somalia include the February 2009 beheading of two sons of a Christian leader and the videotaped November 2008 beheading of a 25-year-old convert to Christianity. Al Shabaab militia shot to death 46-year-old Mariam Muhina Hussein on Sept. 28 in Marerey village after discovering she had six Bibles. She was the leader of an underground church.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TodaysEpistleReading View Post
    Here from the interactive map linked above:
    I saw that , I still learn something every day . I have no real idea how freedom of religion would hurt a place like that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I saw that , I still learn something every day . I have no real idea how freedom of religion would hurt a place like that ?
    What are they scared of? People leaving Islam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TodaysEpistleReading View Post
    What are they scared of? People leaving Islam?
    I cannot make any sense of it . The economy is surely just tourist based ...

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    Here's my back-of-the-envelope analysis, based on estimates deliberately chosen to favor the United States. Specifically, I have taken the low estimates of Muslim fatalities, along with much more reliable figures for U.S. deaths.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I cannot make any sense of it . The economy is surely just tourist based ...
    The sense that I make out if it is they feel threatened by the Christian faith and they know that freedom of religion only hurts their cause. All across the globe, Muslims are converting to Christianity, especially in Africa (thanks to the internet and free flow of information). By the hundreds of thousands a year. When people truly have a choice in choosing their faith, Islam loses the most. This is why they restrict other religions and why there is so much persecution of Christians in Muslim countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TodaysEpistleReading View Post
    The sense that I make out if it is they feel threatened by the Christian faith and they know that freedom of religion only hurts their cause. All across the globe, Muslims are converting to Christianity, especially in Africa (thanks to the internet and free flow of information). By the hundreds of thousands a year. When people truly have a choice in choosing their faith, Islam loses the most. This is why they restrict other religions and why there is so much persecution of Christians in Muslim countries.
    Is growth rate really a good measure of the value of your religion? Despite the fact that it's almost impossible to measure--these stats from a Christian organization conflict with your assumptions (?).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_...stian_Database

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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Is growth rate really a good measure of the value of your religion?
    Amy, no, I don't value my religion based on numbers. I am asserting the position that when people have free choice to choose a religion, they choose Christianity over Islam more often than the other way around. This, I do value, as should you.

    Share with us your reasons as to why the countries above restrict freedom of religion, in some cases just having the Bible is punishable by death?
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    Quote Originally Posted by amy31416 View Post
    Despite the fact that it's almost impossible to measure--these stats from a Christian organization conflict with your assumptions (?).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_...stian_Database
    If freedoms in the world are extended, and every country practiced freedom of religion, then I strongly disagree with this organization's prediction table.

    If things stay the same or worsen, than they may be more accurate.
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    Good find OP. Thanks for posting.
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