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    Government May Shut Down Amid Standoff on Pork-Filled Spending Bill

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...ibus-spending/

    A government shutdown looms as Congress risks missing a key deadline this weekend over the battle in the Senate on a massive 2,000-page catchall spending bill that Republicans have vowed to oppose unless they can strip it of earmarks.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is expected Thursday to take up the $1.27 trillion omnibus spending bill that would fund the government through the end of the fiscal year, to Sept. 30.

    But Republicans have threatened to stall debate by forcing the 1,924-page bill to be read aloud in the Senate -- a move that would take 35 to 40 hours and push the debate into Saturday, according to numerous aides.

    A temporary stopgap measure currently funding the government is set to expire midnight on Saturday. But a number of procedural steps would prevent the Senate from getting to a final vote until late Monday or early Tuesday.

    "It's not our fault," a senior Senate Democratic leadership aide said about a potential government shutdown. The aide argues that Republicans are insisting on obstructing this bill.

    Republicans and some Democrats argue that the Senate should follow in the footsteps of the House and pass another temporary spending bill to fund the government at current levels until February, when lawmakers would have time to examine the spending. By then, Republicans will control the House and hold six additional seats in the Senate.

    But if President Obama doesn't sign into law either the Democratic-proposed bill or a temporary stopgap measure by Saturday, then the government will close shop.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., encouraged his members to reject the bill.

    "Americans told Democrats last month to stop what they've been doing: bigger government, 2,000-page bills jammed through on Christmas Eve, wasteful spending," he said on the Senate floor Wednesday morning. "The bill is a monument to all three."

    McConnell noted that the bill includes more than $1 billion to fund the new health care law -- a provision that he said by itself is enough to spur Republicans who have vowed to repeal it to oppose the measure.

    "It's being dropped on us with just a few days to go before the Christmas break, ensuring that no one in Congress has a chance to examine it thoroughly before the vote," he said. "And ensuring that Americans don't have a chance to see what's in it either. This, too, is reason enough to oppose it."

    Thousands of earmark requests -- pet projects of lawmakers -- are listed in the bill, worth about $8 billion.

    Sen. John McCain tweeted the top 10 earmarks in the spending bill, including $247,000 for virus free wine grapes in Washington State, $413,000 for peanut research in Alabama, $235,000 for noxious weed management in Nevada and $400,000 for solar parking canopies and plug-in electric stations in Kansas.

    McCain expressed disbelief about the projects.

    "Are we tone deaf? Are we stricken with amnesia?" he said, adding that voters made it clear in last month's midterm elections that they're tired of business as usual in Washington.

    Republican Sens. John Cornyn of Texas and John Thune of South Dakota also objected to the bill, with Cornyn saying the omnibus bill might as well be called "ominous."
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    Lol, those earmarks of 8 billion are pennies and dimes compared to the budget of the welfare/warfare state. Saying that cutting those is going to "help with the budget" is like a man in massive debt deciding to get the wal-mart brand of cola instead of brand name Coca Cola.
    "Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces."-Étienne de La Boétie

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    I assume Ron will vote no on this, and that we want it to not pass.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessol View Post
    Lol, those earmarks of 8 billion are pennies and dimes compared to the budget of the welfare/warfare state. Saying that cutting those is going to "help with the budget" is like a man in massive debt deciding to get the wal-mart brand of cola instead of brand name Coca Cola.
    Hey, that was my fix when I got out of collage and was broke and in debt but I switched to Fred Meyer brand, Wal-mart soda sucks. Funny thing is I never went back even now that I have money. I can't see spending twice as much for basically the same product.
    As long as you let government spend your money, they will always spend it on those who lobby for it over those who vote for it because they lied to you to get it, and they will spend it on those who best enable them to keep lying and spending your money.

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    I believe this is the bill that Pelosi slipped the "food safety act"(sic) into.

    Damn right, we should oppose it!

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    We should only be so lucky as to have the federal gubment shut down for even a day.

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    The big question is how long will it stay shut down if it doesn't pass?

    I don't suppose this would mean a cease fire in our 4 current wars...

    Imagine if the 112th Congress came in and decided not to take up funding - to let the gvmt stay shut down. Hay, a guy can dream, right?

    -t

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    It shut down in the 90's over the budget argument for a week or so, and it shut down last year when DC was under 3 feet of global-warming induced snow.
    They will never let it stay down for more than a week.
    Last year it was only three days and people started asking serious questions about how life was going on if DC wasn't pulling the strings.
    If it went for two weeks, that would get a lot louder.
    All it would take is a month for everyone in the country to realize that we're enslaving our children for nothing.
    There are no crimes against people.
    There are only crimes against the state.
    And the state will never, ever choose to hold accountable its agents, because a thing can not commit a crime against itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vessol View Post
    Lol, those earmarks of 8 billion are pennies and dimes compared to the budget of the welfare/warfare state. Saying that cutting those is going to "help with the budget" is like a man in massive debt deciding to get the wal-mart brand of cola instead of brand name Coca Cola.
    We realize that, but it would be a good symbolic first step.

    What I am concerned is that the Republicans fight earmarks, ignore everything else, and say hey "We reduced spending". So yeah, its a good first step. We need to make sure they are taking the 2nd step and the third.

    Sincerely,

    Slutter McGee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slutter McGee View Post
    We realize that, but it would be a good symbolic first step.

    What I am concerned is that the Republicans fight earmarks, ignore everything else, and say hey "We reduced spending". So yeah, its a good first step. We need to make sure they are taking the 2nd step and the third.

    Sincerely,

    Slutter McGee
    and the 249th and the 1004th and the 56,897th, well you get the idea.

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