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    Attack on Pearl Harbor Was No Surprise


    Photo of attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941


    True history is not served if all that is remembered about December 7th is that it is the 61st anniversary of Japan’s surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. On that day America lost 18 naval vessels including eight battleships, 188 airplanes, over 2,000 servicemen – and its innocence about government lies, cover-ups and deceit. by Bob Adelmann

    Pearl Harbor Was No Surprise


    Bob Adelmann | The New American
    07 December 2010


    True history is not served if all that is remembered about December 7 is that it is the 61st anniversary of Japan’s surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. On that day America lost 18 naval vessels including eight battleships, 188 airplanes, over 2,000 servicemen — and its innocence about government lies, coverups, and deceit.

    Hundred of books have been written about that fateful day, and yet only a few have dared to expose the whole story. And for the most part, those titles and authors remain unknown even today. A major first effort to understand the relevance of the attack on Hawaii in light of world history was undertaken by Harry Elmer Barnes in his magnum opus Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace. In his piecing together of history to build his conclusion that Roosevelt knew the attack was coming, Barnes quoted Eleanor Roosevelt on the day after the attack: “They hit us harder than we expected.” John Toland wrote in his The Rising Sun about the alleged “mistake” that led to the attack on Pearl. James Perloff’s The Shadows of Power: The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline, published in 1988 and updated in 2002, explained the goals and methodology of the men and organizations pulling the strings of political power and gave the serious student of history the background needed to understand the final and most complete summary of what happened in December of 1941: Robert B. Stinnett’s The Day of Deceit.

    To invite the skeptic to investigate further the events in late December, 1941, one may consider just a few quotes from those intimately involved in the dark, secretive machinations that led to that “Day of Infamy.” About those quotes, Perloff stated that “comprehensive research has not only shown [that] Washington knew in advance of the attack, but deliberately withheld its foreknowledge from our commanders in Hawaii in the hope that the ‘surprise’ attack would catapult the U.S. into World War II.” And politicians' statements prove him out.

    Oliver Lyttleton, British Minister of Production, stated in 1944: “Japan was provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty of history to say that America was forced into the war.” Robert Sherwood, FDR’s biographer, said that “if the isolationists had known the full extent of the secret alliance between the United States and Britain, their demands for impeachment would have rumbled like thunder throughout the land.” Forcing Japan to make the first overt move was confirmed by Roosevelt’s Secretary of War, Henry Stimson, who wrote in his diary just three weeks before the attack: “We face the delicate question of the diplomatic fencing to be done so as to be sure that Japan is put into the wrong and makes the first bad move.” A few days later Stimson added: “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot.”

    The question of motivation and purpose behind this maneuvering was supplied by Perloff who had considered three possible explanations for the attack: 1) Washington was caught by surprise; 2) Washington “blundered” and “forgot to warn [the commanders at] Pearl Harbor”; 3) FDR and his inner circle knew that the attack was coming, but let it come as it served their purposes to get America into the war; and 4) the "one more consistent with the facts: The role of pro-Communist and globalist influences within the FDR administration. As former Navy Secretary Frank Knox wrote: 'Collectivists of every sort support Mr. Roosevelt. That is natural. For at the root of his philosophy lies the view, shared alike by Communists and Fascists, that individual liberty under democracy as hitherto practiced in this country is no longer desirable or feasible.'”

    To hold the naive and historically simplistic view that Pearl Harbor was a surprise simply reflects a lack of understanding about how the world then, and now, really works. While remembering the sacrifices of those who perished at Pearl in December 61 years ago, one must also remember that their sacrifices were planned in advance as a steppingstone to the diminishment of America then and the rise of the totalitarian state today.


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    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....as-no-surprise
    Last edited by FrankRep; 12-07-2010 at 05:58 PM.
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    One of the few JBS pieces I actually agree with.
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    Related:

    Pearl Harbor: Hawaii Was Surprised; FDR Was Not
    James Perloff, December 2008
    Comprehensive research has not only shown Washington knew in advance of the attack, but deliberately withheld its foreknowledge from our commanders in Hawaii in the hope that the "surprise" attack would catapult the U.S. into World War II. Oliver Lyttleton, British Minister of Production, stated in 1944: "Japan was provoked into attacking America at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty of history to say that America was forced into the war."

    Pearl Harbor: Motives Behind the Betrayal
    James Perloff, December 2008
    President Franklin D. Roosevelt, General George C. Marshall, and Admiral Harold Stark received the warnings and intercepts, but somehow "blundered" and forgot to warn Pearl Harbor. However, there is too much evidence of deliberate calculation. One does not become president of the United States or Army Chief of Staff through gross stupidity. It was FDR himself who said: "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

    Pearl Harbor: Scapegoating Kimmel and Short
    James Perloff, December 2008
    Pearl Harbor's secrets had been successfully preserved before the fact — but what about after? People around the nation, including some vocal congressmen, asked why America had been caught off guard.




    Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor
    - Robert Stinnett
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    Not sure about a conspiracy, but there definitely are signs of bureaucratic ineptness.

    http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=49995

    http://enjoyingthejourney.blogspot.c...-japanese.html

    MILTON FRIEDMAN: "We do not influence the course of events by persuading people that we are right when we make what they regard as radical proposals. Rather, we exert influence by keeping options available when something has to be done at a time of crisis."
    TACITUS: "Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges."
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    Quote Originally Posted by cswake View Post
    Not sure about a conspiracy, but there definitely are signs of bureaucratic ineptness.
    It's just an example of provoking an attack with Japan and letting it happen.
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    Well obviously as tensions were mounting it wasn't a total shock that Japan attacked. But did anyone figure Pearl Harbor would be the spot attacked? I think you're taking some information and perhaps extrapolating it a bit.
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    Can I play devil's advocate?

    If the sanctions were imposed on Japan for its invasion of China, a U.S. trading partner (and still is today, I guess), is it as clear-cut as saying that this was a 'provocation' to stir up Japanese [military] retaliation?
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    This is getting silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kregisen View Post
    But did anyone figure Pearl Harbor would be the spot attacked?
    That's why I provided those two links, both the Hilo Tribune Herald and The Honolulu Advertiser were warning about Japanese attacks 1 week before they came true.

    MILTON FRIEDMAN: "We do not influence the course of events by persuading people that we are right when we make what they regard as radical proposals. Rather, we exert influence by keeping options available when something has to be done at a time of crisis."
    TACITUS: "Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges."
    TEAM AMERICA: "America, FUCK YEAH!"
    ENGINEERNJ: "You've got one 75-year-old man trying to keep 300 million people from going down the toilet."



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    if WW1 was inevitable and took 90 years after the defeat of napoleon to come
    into being in full, and WW2 stems from the problems after the peace happens...



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