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    Question American Spies located on foreign soil: interventionist or not?

    Sorry if this question is naive, but am curious how far nonintervention (as defined by libertarians) goes. Would having spies who are physically located in other countries for intelligence gathering in those countries be considered having an 'interventionist' foreign policy by the libertarian definition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    Sorry if this question is naive, but am curious how far nonintervention (as defined by libertarians) goes. Would having spies who are physically located in other countries for intelligence gathering in those countries be considered having an 'interventionist' foreign policy by the libertarian definition?
    I would suggest that having the information would be good . Interfering in the societies of others would be what to get away from . Knowing what is going on , there is nothing wrong with .

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    I would apply the prime directive they use on Star Trek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    I would suggest that having the information would be good . Interfering in the societies of others would be what to get away from . Knowing what is going on , there is nothing wrong with .
    Spies from other countries in the US would be OK then too.
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    If we were a non-interventionalist nation, what would other nations have to spy on us for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    Sorry if this question is naive, but am curious how far nonintervention (as defined by libertarians) goes. Would having spies who are physically located in other countries for intelligence gathering in those countries be considered having an 'interventionist' foreign policy by the libertarian definition?
    Not saying I know, but I'd say having paid government spies in foreign countries is not a non-interventionist policy.

    If the US minded it's own business and has a strong defense to protect our borders (which we totally have), I don't see the need for spies.

    Spies are like snitches in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raistlinkishtar View Post
    I would apply the prime directive they use on Star Trek.
    I tend to agree with this.

    Listening and keeping one's neighbors and enemies close is a good thing. Running subversive covert ops which does nothing but create global contempt for us is NOT.
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    There is a libertarian / non-interventionist alternative to the traditional "spy". It's called "open source intelligence".

    http://www.oss.net/



    Wikileaks is an example of open source intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    I tend to agree with this.

    Listening and keeping one's neighbors and enemies close is a good thing. Running subversive covert ops which does nothing but create global contempt for us is NOT.
    Sure. But there are two problems with these "secret agencies". One is that because they are secret there is little to no oversight for preventing "subversive covert ops". The second is they sometimes distort the intelligence for political reasons. Take the WMD intel. Many people outside the government new it was BS. I certainly knew. But the defenders of the administration kept saying "The have access to secret information that we don't know anything about. We have to trust them." Nonsense. Any information gathered should be publicly disseminated so that it can be fact checked and verified. Oh redact all of the "sources and methods" (well the sources anyway. If the "method" is waterboarding the public needs to know that too.) But the intelligence itself should not be secret. After all our tax dollars paid for it.
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    "It can be a challenge to follow the pronouncements of President Trump, as he often seems to change his position on any number of items from week to week, or from day to day, or even from minute to minute." -- Ron Paul
    Quote Originally Posted by Brian4Liberty View Post
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    The only way I see Trump as likely to affect any real change would be through martial law, and that has zero chances of success without strong buy-in by the JCS at the very minimum.

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    WHatever country a spy is from doesn't matter... just remember that if the spies weren't backed by the establishment state of their respective countries... they would be labeled Terrorists.
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