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    Lessons from Chile


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    After the accident occurred in the San Jose copper and gold mine in the town of Copiapo in northern Chile the 33 miners trapped more than 2,000 feet below ground said that what they needed most was tooth paste and Bibles. by Samuel Blumenfeld

    Lessons from Chile


    Dr. Samuel L. Blumenfeld | The New American
    18 October 2010


    On August 5th, an accident occurred in the San Jose copper and gold mine in the town of Copiapo in northern Chile. 750,000 tons of rock collapsed, blocking the mine shaft and trapping 33 miners in their emergency refuge area more than 2,000 feet below ground. Since there was no way the men could communicate with the surface, the relatives of the miners did not know if they were dead or alive. But unbeknownst to those above ground, the miners were indeed alive.

    For the next seventeen days the miners were unable to communicate their predicament until rescuers above were able to bore a hole the size of a grapefruit through which they were able not only to communicate with the trapped miners but also to send down a miniature video camera so that everyone above ground could see and talk to the men below. When they were asked what they needed most, their leader, Luis Urzua, said, “tooth paste and Bibles.” But they were also sent glucose, rehydration tablets, oxygen, medicines, camp bed parts, and messages.

    But why Bibles? Because from the very beginning, the miners knew that only through a strong faith in God could they maintain an equally strong will to survive. For seventeen days the 33 men shared what little food and water they had. They had to suppress their hunger and thirst if they were to survive. Fortunately, they had a leader who knew that if they were to survive, it would be because of God’s doing. However, once they could communicate with the surface, they could receive food, water, and communications from their loved ones.

    During their time underground the miners split into three groups, each with its own leader. They worked in shifts as they did before the collapse. Meals were delivered by the supply bore holes in plastic packages. Prayers were an important part of the daily routine.

    But how could the men be brought to the surface safely? A new shaft would have to be drilled down to the miners through which they could be brought out one by one in a cage-like tube or capsule designed by Americans who had come to Chile to assist in the rescue operation. And it would take weeks to complete the new shaft. Indeed, it wasn’t until October 13th that several rescuers were able to descend into the mine and begin bringing the 33 men to the surface.

    The ride to the top was by no means smooth. The new shaft had been drilled through 2,050 feet of solid rock which made the ride bumpy and noisy.

    Nevertheless, the system worked smoothly and each miner was successfully brought to the top without any hitches. The entire operation took 22 hours. It took an additional two and a half hours to bring the six rescuers to the surface. In all, the men had been trapped in the mine for 69 days.

    On emerging at the surface, one miner characterized their ordeal as a struggle between God and the devil, and that God won. To the secularists, the rescue was a technological miracle. To the miners it was a spiritual miracle, for, as one miner said, “we give thanks to God that we were able to resist eating it right away,” referring to the one can of sardines they had to share among the 33 for 17 days.

    But as one atheist stated in a commentary, if God were real and compassionate, he would not have permitted the mine to collapse. Atheists seem to believe that if God wanted them to believe in him, he would make himself known by preventing all evil, accidents, poverty, and tragedies from ever happening. They expect the true God to maintain an eternal Garden of Eden, where human beings could live without any problems or suffering. They believe that the true God would create a super welfare state, with no wars, no conflicts, nothing but endless pleasure, as if the world were a large cruise ship going nowhere.

    Unfortunately, most atheists have not read the Bible, and so they are unaware what actually took place in the Garden of Eden due to the disobedience of Adam and Eve who ate the forbidden fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Once they ate that fruit, they had to take responsibility for their lives. They would have to provide food, clothing, and shelter for themselves. And that is why life has been full of struggle, suffering, hard work, and conflict since that very beginning. But life is also full of love, pleasure, creativity, and learning if one adheres to Biblical principles.

    The most important lesson to be learned from Chile is that when a nation rejects God and begins to rely entirely on its own secular resources, it will fail. Interestingly enough, the President of Chile, Sebastian Pinero, was at the site of the mine from day-one, and welcomed aid from any country willing to provide it. Unlike Obama who rejected aid from other counties when the BP oil well exploded, the Chilean president was grateful for the aid given by the world. Pinero, a Harvard trained economist, is a wealthy, free-market oriented businessman who was elected President in March. He will serve one term of four years, according to the Chilean constitution.

    Health Minister Jaime Manalich said it had come as a shock that the miners, despite their ordeal, were in such good condition and that many of them were in a position to be discharged from the hospital in only 24 hours.

    “Even when we recognize the efforts on the part of the medical team we were completely surprised and we call this a miracle, because any effort we could have made doesn’t explain the health condition that these people have today.”

    So miracles do happen, especially among those who believe in them. The miners knew that nothing short of a miracle would save them. They prayed twice daily for their salvation and their rescue, and their prayers were answered.

    Read also: God and Faith Sustained the Chilean Miners


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    Turning an event like this into a debate about god and pushing religious, anti-secular opinions is disgusting and unwarranted. Anyone who agrees with this story should be ashamed at using an event marked by tragedy to push radical christian agenda.

    God didn't get them out of the mine, humans did with great technology and hope. Anything else is just silly and demeans the GREAT scientific minds that help us every day.

    Utterly disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    Turning an event like this into a debate about god and pushing religious, anti-secular opinions is disgusting and unwarranted. Anyone who agrees with this story should be ashamed at using an event marked by tragedy to push radical christian agenda.

    God didn't get them out of the mine, humans did with great technology and hope. Anything else is just silly and demeans the GREAT scientific minds that help us every day.

    Utterly disgusting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    Turning an event like this into a debate about god and pushing religious, anti-secular opinions is disgusting and unwarranted. Anyone who agrees with this story should be ashamed at using an event marked by tragedy to push radical christian agenda.

    God didn't get them out of the mine, humans did with great technology and hope. Anything else is just silly and demeans the GREAT scientific minds that help us every day.

    Utterly disgusting.
    Ignoring the clear religious themes throughout the rescue is a tradgedy on your own part.

    It was a Houston man who is studying to be a Catholic deacon who owned the company that drilled the shaft to get the miners out. He consistently has said that it was prayer that helped guide the drill shaft when it got stuck and all seemed lost.

    The rescue operation was called, "Operation San Lorenzo", the patron of miners. We in the States were never told that in our media. The first thing the miners asked for was a crucifix. They set up a make shift shrine with statues and other things. There is no doubt that faith played a HUGE role in getting them out.

    Why are you so afraid of just admitting that? I'll take the testimony of the men who were in the cave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Ignoring the clear religious themes throughout the rescue is a tradgedy on your own part.

    It was a Houston man who is studying to be a Catholic deacon who owned the company that drilled the shaft to get the miners out. He consistently has said that it was prayer that helped guide the drill shaft when it got stuck and all seemed lost.

    The rescue operation was called, "Operation San Lorenzo", the patron of miners. We in the States were never told that in our media. The first thing the miners asked for was a crucifix. They set up a make shift shrine with statues and other things. There is no doubt that faith played a HUGE role in getting them out.

    Why are you so afraid of just admitting that? I'll take the testimony of the men who were in the cave
    Blah blah blah, the media is hiding the religion from us!! ahhh run for the hills! CENSORSHIP!!!.

    BS. same old story of religious people fighting for their last death holds on society.

    I wasn't ignoring the religious part. I was commenting on the article, which said that GOD SAVED THEM. That is patently untrue for anyone with a college degree and some reasoning.

    I'm not afraid of anything, including religion. What I am afraid of, though, is people using religion in place of science. They can pray all they want, but science got them out.
    Last edited by reillym; 10-19-2010 at 04:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    Turning an event like this into a debate about god and pushing religious, anti-secular opinions is disgusting and unwarranted.
    Interesting. Because pushing a religious opinion is exactly what you do when you say the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    God didn't get them out of the mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    Blah blah blah, the media is hiding the religion from us!! ahhh run for the hills! CENSORSHIP!!!.

    BS. same old story of religious people fighting for their last death holds on society.

    I wasn't ignoring the religious part. I was commenting on the article, which said that GOD SAVED THEM. That is patently untrue for anyone with a college degree and some reasoning.

    I'm not afraid of anything, including religion. What I am afraid of, though, is people using religion in place of science. They can pray all they want, but science got them out.
    You can't say that its "patently untrue"

    Ask the miners what sustained them through 17 days of no outside contact with the world.

    I'm not saying that they weren't rescued through a mine shaft, that God picked each one up and put them on the surface.

    Don't be so anti-religion that you can't even see the impact that it had on this story.

    The media ignored the religious background most likely because America is mainly Protestant, and talking about "Operation San Lorenzo" wouldn't have gotten much play here. That and the american media tends to not have a clue about religion, so they just tend to not report on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reillym View Post
    Blah blah blah, the media is hiding the religion from us!! ahhh run for the hills! CENSORSHIP!!!.

    BS. same old story of religious people fighting for their last death holds on society.

    I wasn't ignoring the religious part. I was commenting on the article, which said that GOD SAVED THEM. That is patently untrue for anyone with a college degree and some reasoning.

    I'm not afraid of anything, including religion. What I am afraid of, though, is people using religion in place of science. They can pray all they want, but science got them out.
    You might want to reconsider your brash statements of what you know to be 100% true or not. I understand that you might have a differing view on God, which leads you to believe that He either doesn't exist or had nothing to do with the rescue going as it did. It's irrelevant. What is relevant is the belief of the miners and the rescuers in question.

    Prayer, particularly in groups, passes the time. It's akin to meditation and tends to have a calming effect on those who have faith. Placing faith in a higher power rather than fretting about whether or not the drill is going to get stuck, the cave is going to collapse, or (initially) whether you'll even be found... it can be very beneficial and help you survive the initial freakout that is all but inevitable when you're trapped that far under the surface.

    Freaking out wastes oxygen. It is contageous. It makes you burn your calories that much faster. It might make you try to nab food or water from your fellow miners. It might make you do something rash which compromises the integrity of the area in which you are trapped. Religious people are not immune to freaking out, but having a means to calm each other down and "meditate" seems like a logical way to help keep people from doing so.

    Was it God that kept them from freaking out? Was it merely the faith in God that helped? Was it just their imagination? *shrugs* I wasn't a part of it. If the person operating the drill says that God told him where to go when the drill seemed to get stuck, who am I to argue? The end result is obvious. If he said Zeus and Athena were helping drag up the capsules, the results would still be obviously positive.

    I have no idea why you are so angered by the notion that God had something to do with the rescue, or feel a need to discount the positive virtues of faith/prayer in such dire situations.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.



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