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    Oppose Any New State Calls for a Constitutional Convention | Article V

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    Oppose Any New State Calls for a Constitutional Convention


    John Birch Society
    16 October 2010


    Beware Article V - Constitutional Convention
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    In this era of trillion dollar legislative bills for an economic stimulus that's not working, a government takeover of health care, and cap-and-trade energy taxes to supposedly reduce global warming, millions of Americans are "awakening" to the need to limit the federal government by insisting that Congress adhere to the Constitution. Some of these newly awakened Americans have concluded that amending the Constitution would get our nation back on track, while forgetting that our biggest problem is that our elected officials already pay little attention to the Constitution's limitations as it is. Why would they pay attention to some new amendments?

    Next, these newly awakened constitutionalists observe that although Congress will not propose certain amendments that would appear to be useful additions to the Constitution, Article V provides a second way that amendments can be proposed, a constitutional convention (con-con). However, these same newly awakened Americans all too easily overlook the risks involved in a con-con. Click here to view a 36-minute video, "Beware of Article V," that exposes the unacceptable risks that would be involved in convening a constitutional convention at this time in our nation's history.

    Furthermore, most Americans are not aware of the successful 25-year campaign by The John Birch Society and other constitutionalist organizations to preserve the Constitution by preventing the calling of a con-con. Click here to read "Dangers of a Constitutional Convention," which will bring you up to date on this campaign. This article also includes two color-coded maps: (1) showing the high water mark of the movement to call a con-con based on the desire for a balanced budget amendment; and (2) showing the eleven states (now fifteen) where the state legislature has voted to rescind all previous calls for a con-con.

    On November 10, 2009, Professor Kevin Gutzman promoted the idea of a constitutional convention during his appearance on the Glenn Beck TV Show. Even though Beck has posted an excellent position statement on his website in opposition to calling a constitutional convention, several guests on his FoxNews show in 2009 and 2010 have also promoted the con-con concept. Click here to read "Another Endorsement of a Constitutional Convention on Glenn Beck." This article includes a link to video of Gutzman's appearance as well as a link to the "Beware of Article V" video and "Dangers of a Constitutional Convention" article referred to above.

    The case against calling a constitutional convention in a nutshell: the majority of constitutional scholars agree that an Article V constitutional convention cannot be restricted as to what amendments they consider and ultimately propose. After this constitutonal convention would "propose amendments," the amendment(s) would then be submitted to the states (either legislatures or special state conventions as specified by Congress according to the Constitution, but possibly some other bodies proposed by the constitutional convention itself following the precedent of our original Constitutional Convention in specifying the means for the ratification of the Constitution) for ratification. Although 3/4s of the states would have to ratify an amendment for it to become part of the Constitution, there is still the all-too-real risk that a harmful amendment or series of amendments could be ratified due to the extraordinary influence exerted on American voters and their representatives by powerful elites in our news media, government, educational institutions, and foundations.

    Another way to look at our situation where the federal government is out-of-control and routinely ignoring the Constitution is to consider a hypothetical situation where you might have a contract (that you wish to keep in force) with another party. If the other party violates the provisions of the contract, do you recommend revising the contract, or do you enforce the contract? Obviously, you'd want to enforce the contract. In a similar way, the states need to enforce the Constitution through nullification of unconstitutional federal laws, not revise the Constitution in a vain attempt to rein in the federal government.

    In short, the solution is for states to enforce, not to revise, the Constitution. Since ratification of the Constitution back in 1788, the states have been parties to a compact (agreement) establishing a strictly limited federal government as prescribed by the Constitution. The ratification of the Tenth Amendment in 1791 made explicit that the compact between the states included the stipulation: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." In the past few years many state legislatures have begun to assert their Tenth Amendment powers by passing legislation to nullify various unconstitutional federal laws, most notably federal firearms laws and the ObamaCare Individual Mandate.

    A constitutional convention has been prevented from being called over the past 25 years through the hard work of members of The John Birch Society and their like-minded allies in personally contacting their state legislators of both parties and making them aware of the risks involved in calling a con-con. This is truly a nonpartisan issue. Whenever the time has been taken to present the risks associated with a constitutional convention to state legislators, the majority of both parties have voted against calling for a con-con. Not only have no additional state legislatures called for a con-con for the past 25 years, legislators in 15 states (AL, AZ, GA, ID, LA, ND, NV, NH, OK, SC, SD, TN, VA, UT, and WY) have become so thoroughly convinced of the dangers of a constitutional convention that they have voted to rescind (take back) all previous con-con calls in their states.

    Starting in late 2008 and continuing on through 2010 there have been several individuals and organizations that have decided to make the calling of a constitutional convention a top priority, and have begun contacting state legislators throughout the nation to support their project with the goal of influencing at least 34 state legislatures to pass a resolution in early 2011 petitioning Congress to call a constitutional convention for the purpose of considering their proposed amendment(s).

    Preserving the Constitution from the threat represented by calling a con-con will require the hard work of constitutionalists throughout the United States. Personal contact through office visits and phone calls are a must (Click here for contact information for your state legislators.). Your tools include "Beware of Article V" (free online and as a DVD), "Dangers of a Constitutional Convention" (free online and as a reprint), "Another Endorsement of a Constitutional Convention on Glenn Beck" (free online), and "Model Con-Con State Rescission Resolution" (free online).

    When contacting your state legislators keep these two purposes in mind: (1) Convince them to oppose any new con-con call resolution in your state legislature; and (2) Convince one or more of them to sponsor or cosponsor a resolution to rescind all of your state's existing con-con calls based on the "Model Con-Con State Rescission Resolution" (unless you live in one of the following states which have already passed a resolution to rescind all previous con-con calls: AL, AZ, GA, ID, LA, ND, NV, NH, OK, SC, SD, TN, VA, UT, and WY).

    Click here to supplement the necessary personal contacts mentioned above by sending a prewritten, editable email message to your state legislators in opposition to any new con-con calls and in support (in those states where appropriate) of a resolution to rescind all previous con-con calls. While email messages cannot equal the impact and effectiveness of personal contacts, they can play a role in an overall campaign. Please be sure to personalize your emails for maximum impact.


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    Considering the theodemocratic agenda that currently infuses all levels of our government is reason enough for me to oppose any Constitutional Convention.

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    Before you make up your mind

    Before you make up your mind on this issue, take time to learn about both sides. You can do that by going to www.foavc.org and reading the applications from 49 states numbering over 700 applications. Now, does it really make sense that if the states thought a convention was such a threat they would apply in such overwhelming numbers?

    By the way the author fails to point out one important point: the states have already applied in sufficient number to cause a convention call and did so long before any act by the JBS. In short, the recessions he refers to have no legal effect. If you think I'm wrong then ask the author above to produce his court case where the courts have said the states have a right to rescind applications.

    Also, his number of states is incorrect. If you look at the applications you'll see LA has resubmitted a new application as have a couple of other states. Point is, he is not telling the truth. Do yourself a favor, take time to learn the facts on both sides, read the Supreme Court rulings on FOAVC, none of which you will find backing up JBS position, and then make up your mind.

    It comes down to this. JBS tells lies that are disproved with public record and verifiable fact at FOAVC. Which do want to put your faith in--the truth or people who lie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Walker View Post
    In short, the recessions he refers to have no legal effect. If you think I'm wrong then ask the author above to produce his court case where the courts have said the states have a right to rescind applications.
    Bill Walker apparently thinks that State Legislatures should have No Power and that States have No 10th Amendment Sovereignty over the Federal Government.


    New Hampshire has officially rescinded their Federal Constitutional Convention Call, for example:


    HCR28 - Bill Title: rescinding all requests by the New Hampshire legislature for a federal constitutional convention.

    New Hampshire State Legislature

    House Status:

    Status PASSED / ADOPTED WITH AMENDMENT
    Status Date 3/17/2010
    Current Committee STATE-FEDERAL RELATIONS AND VETERANS AFFAIRS
    Committee of Referral STATE-FEDERAL RELATIONS AND VETERANS AFFAIRS
    Date Introduced 1/6/2010
    Due out of Committee 2/18/2010
    Floor Date 3/17/2010


    Senate Status:

    Status PASSED / ADOPTED
    Status Date 5/5/2010
    Current Committee ELECTION LAW AND VETERANS' AFFAIRS
    Committee of Referral ELECTION LAW AND VETERANS' AFFAIRS
    Date Introduced 3/24/2010
    Due out of Committee
    Floor Date 5/5/2010



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    Help Stop the New Drive for a Constitutional Convention

    JBS CEO Art Thompson raises some questions about the new drive for a constitutional convention (Con-Con) and recommends taking action to prevent a Con-Con by visiting The John Birch Society's new "Choose Freedom -- STOP A Con-Con" campaign web page.

    YouTube - Help Stop the New Drive for a Constitutional Convention
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    You have some problem with the constitutional process Frank and people exercising a right to self government drafting new constitutions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live_Free_Or_Die View Post
    You have some problem with the constitutional process Frank and people exercising a right to self government drafting new constitutions?
    Trouble is it doesn't take a majority of US citizens to change the document, it only takes a super-majority of Congress-critters to, potentially, negate much of the Constitution and it's Principles.

    The same thing being proposed in this Convention can be done without opening upt he Constitution to potential damage, by merely petitioning our Elected Employewes and reminding them of who is their boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxisMundi View Post
    Trouble is it doesn't take a majority of US citizens to change the document, it only takes a super-majority of Congress-critters to, potentially, negate much of the Constitution and it's Principles.

    The same thing being proposed in this Convention can be done without opening upt he Constitution to potential damage, by merely petitioning our Elected Employewes and reminding them of who is their boss.
    In the United States we have the best representation free people can elect. You don't trust your freely elected representatives?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Live_Free_Or_Die View Post
    In the United States we have the best representation free people can elect. You don't trust your freely elected representatives?
    I trust them only as far as I can throw them.

    There is ana ctive theodemocratic movement in this Nation, and ahs beens icne day one. However, the modern example, begun by Silas Rushdooney and forwarded by his organization, the Chaldeon Foundation, and his protoges like Robertson, Grhams, and Fallwell, have made great strides in infiltrating government.

    Ever wonder why many of the DOJ repalcements the past Administration put in place graduated from Robertson's Regency Law School?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AxisMundi View Post
    Trouble is it doesn't take a majority of US citizens to change the document, it only takes a super-majority of Congress-critters to, potentially, negate much of the Constitution and it's Principles.

    The same thing being proposed in this Convention can be done without opening upt he Constitution to potential damage, by merely petitioning our Elected Employewes and reminding them of who is their boss.
    A ConCon can only propose new amendments to the Constitution. After that you need to have three fourths of the states agree to the proposals for them to be ratified and that is very hard to do on any issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A ConCon can only propose new amendments to the Constitution. After that you need to have three fourths of the states agree to the proposals for them to be ratified and that is very hard to do on any issue.
    If that is the case the Constitution is null and void and everything reverts back to the original constitution. The Articles of Confederation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zippyjuan View Post
    A ConCon can only propose new amendments to the Constitution. After that you need to have three fourths of the states agree to the proposals for them to be ratified and that is very hard to do on any issue.
    Not so ahrd when one infuses both parties with sympathetic, or active, members.

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    What harm can happen with a con-con??.... they already do everything they want regardless of the Constitution so nothing would actually change

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolama View Post
    What harm can happen with a con-con??.... they already do everything they want regardless of the Constitution so nothing would actually change
    A constitutional convention would be an ineffective and risky method for getting the federal government back under control. By Larry Greenley
    Dangers of a Constitutional Convention


    Larry Greenley | The New American
    23 June 2009
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