Government Agents Seize Oath Keeper's New Born From Hospital

[GunnyFreedom]

I don't know man, this feels like a setup. Not that Irish isn't the victim and his daughter didn't get kidnapped, but that it was done in all it's glory just in order to provoke a reaction...

Reaction needs to be big, but it needs to be carefully thought out and well planned. Who in the State Legislature there is friendly with our platform?

[MelissaCato]

Ya, this is serious $#@!.

[Deborah K]

Note from Stewart Rhodes:

Here is my statement for now:

We are doing all we can to confirm and document this. But if is IS accurate, and a newborn child was ripped from her mother's arms because the parents were "associated" with Oath Keepers by simply being members of our online ning discussion forum, then this is a grave crossing of a very serious line, and is utterly intolerable. It cannot be done. It cannot be allowed to stand. if it is true, then I will do all in my power to stop it. We will pull out all the stops, every lawful means of seeing that this child is returned to her parents and that all persons responsible are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. There can be no freedom of speech, no freedom of association, no freedom to even open your mouth and "speak truth to power," no freedom AT ALL, if your children can be black bagged and stolen from you because of your political speech and associations - because you simply dare to express your love of country, and dare to express your solidarity and fellowship with other citizens and with active duty and retired military and police who simply pledge to honor their oath and obey the Constitution. It was to prevent just such outrageous content based persecution of political dissidents that our First Amendment was written. If true, then this is as bad, and in fact worse, than any of the violations of liberty that our Declaration of Independence lists as the reasons for our forefathers taking up arms in our Revolution and for separating from England. We no longer have freedom at all if this is allowed to be done. And we will not let it stand.

Stewart Rhodes
Founder of Oath Keepers
Yale Law, 04
Army Airborne School, 83

Do you have a link for this? I don't see anything on their site.

[MelissaCato]

Looks like it's only RPF and David Icke forums talking about it soo far.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...p?p=1059304642

[VegasPatriot]

Do you have a link for this? I don't see anything on their site.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/...from-hospital/

[TrueAmerican]

I also have a thread at ATS on this here:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread617765/pg1

It's also on GLP:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age1214470/pg1

It's spreading like viral, like fast.

[amy31416]

If Ghemmy is pimping this and it's bullsthit, can we finally dump him for good?

[Bruno]

skeptical

[MelissaCato]

I spoke to soon. Holy Cows ya it's viral. Google has 4 1/2 pages of discussions now.

[Deborah K]

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/...from-hospital/

Thank you. Husband and I are on it. Please, everyone, contact the Judge and Stossel, G.B., and Alex Jones. We MUST protect our own!!!

[Deborah K]

If Ghemmy is pimping this and it's bullsthit, can we finally dump him for good?

Oh I'll do more than that, I assure you! But Rhodes is now in touch with the father as per the Oathkeeper's website. It appears legit.

[Icymudpuppy]

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[angelatc]

Do you have a link for this? I don't see anything on their site.

It's there. http://bit.ly/cCJQ4q

[GunnyFreedom]

If Ghemmy is pimping this and it's bullsthit, can we finally dump him for good?

This. And I vote for a deuce and a half to dump him off of - it's higher so it'll hurt more. If it's legit, then good on him for breaking one. But yeah, my eye is a little bit jaundiced right now too.

[furface]

Couple of problems with this story.

1. There is talk of an affidavit. An affidavit is not a legal instrument that can separate a child from his/her parent. You need a court order for that. I highly doubt hospital staff would cooperate with an affidavit. If they did they are in very serious trouble.

2. Where is the mother? Does she have anything to say about this?

3. This happened last night? This is enough to make national TV news if the circumstances are what they are claimed.

I have a very hard time believing this.

[Deborah K]

This. And I vote for a deuce and a half to dump him off of - it's higher so it'll hurt more. If it's legit, then good on him for breaking one. But yeah, my eye is a little bit jaundiced right now too.

If this is a hoax, and the Oathkeepers are being duped, there will be hell to be paid by someone, for sure. This is waaaaay too serious!

[Deborah K]

Stewart has just now as of 7:45PM PST, spoken to the father and he is faxing documents to Stewart. We are establishing a legal defense fund. Once it is confirmed through documentation that the father’s association with Oath Keepers was listed as a reason, even if among several reasons listed, for taking the child, we will actively pursue aggressive legal remedy and redress. We will assist in locating competent local legal counsel in New Hampshire and additional expert legal counsel from around the country in First Amendment and child custody law. Stewart, who has worked on several First Amendment cases in State and Federal court will also volunteer his services to assist in the case Pro Bono.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/...from-hospital/

[angelatc]

Couple of problems with this story.

1. There is talk of an affidavit. An affidavit is not a legal instrument that can separate a child from his/her parent. You need a court order for that. I highly doubt hospital staff would cooperate with an affidavit. If they did they are in very serious trouble.

2. Where is the mother? Does she have anything to say about this?

3. This happened last night? This is enough to make national TV news if the circumstances are what they are claimed.

I have a very hard time believing this.

Yes, but it is possible that the poster is misusing the word affidavit. It is probable that the mother can't even begin to talk right now. I can't imagine what she's going through.

And this certainly won't be the first story that we heard about before it broke on national news.

But yeah - GHemmy isn't exactly reliable. He's supposed to be perma-banned, I think.

[MelissaCato]

If this is a hoax, and the Oathkeepers are being duped, there will be hell to be paid by someone, for sure. This is waaaaay too serious!

I agree 100% and rightly so.

[JoshLowry]

Ghemmy was permabanned long ago.

Pretty interesting story.

[phill4paul]

Waiting for and looking for confirmation. So far nothing but the standard info in this thread.

[angelatc]

I'd bet that the state won't comment on it - they never comment on the kids they steal.

[Philhelm]

Well, first I'd like to say that I'm skeptical, not that I wouldn't put it past our government, mind you. Having said that, if it is true, then this is a huge issue, and perhaps amongst the most grievous forms of tyranny a state can commit.

On the other hand, I can't help but to ask, "So what?"

What are we going to do? Write our "representatives" and beg them to not steal our children for daring to exercise First Amendment Natural Law rights? Are we going to have a sit-in somewhere? Are we going to put our faith in the courts? Or maybe we can post YouTube videos, gnashing our teeth and wringing our hands. Wait, no...we can donate a few bucks to somebody! Yeah, that'll show the government that we mean business, and that stealing our children is unacceptable.

[Rael]

Don't remember Ghemmy, why was he banned?

[VegasPatriot]

The document John Irish sent to us is from the State of New Hampshire Judicial Branch; it is a Juvenile Abuse / Neglect Ex Parte Order with an attached affidavit.

This affidavit has a long list of reasons why the State became involved… one of the reasons: “The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the, “Oath Keepers,” and had purchased several different types of weapons including a rifle, handgun and taser.”

There are other items listed in the affidavit besides the association with Oath Keepers.

That being said… even though OK is not a militia, since when is it a crime to be involved in a militia?

[youngbuck]

“The Division became aware and confirmed that Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as “Oath Keepers”, and had purchased several different types of weap…ons including a rifle, handgun and a taser.”

Holy sh't

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Don't remember Ghemmy, why was he banned?

Long story Rael...

Now folks.. once we have this confirmed we need to really have a plan of action.. let's brainstorm... I have a feeling that if this is legit, phone calls and e-mails will be pointless.

[Philhelm]

That being said… even though OK is not a militia, since when is it a crime to be involved in a militia?

Indeed, but let us not forget, when is it a crime for a father to lawfully own firearms?

[Romulus]

Sounds legit to me... but if someone knows the hospital, they can check birth records online... unless the hospital website scrubbed that info already?

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know man, this feels like a setup. Not that Irish isn't the victim and his daughter didn't get kidnapped, but that it was done in all it's glory just in order to provoke a reaction...

Reaction needs to be big, but it needs to be carefully thought out and well planned. Who in the State Legislature there is friendly with our platform?

Dan Itse.

Already got a call in to him.

People, this man is on our side, don't call or email belligerently just because you're angry, rightly so, at the presumed premise of this story.


http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/hous...?member=376357
Phone: (603)642-9403
Email: itsenh@comcast.net