Government Agents Seize Oath Keeper's New Born From Hospital

[Kylie]

YouTube - "Oath Keeper Baby" parents answer critics

God, they're just kids. Young, poor kids.

[susano]

I don't want them to simple take their name off the paperwork and say "sorry".
I want the Beast beaten into submission and then put on a very tight leash.

Like I ever get what I want.

I agree. If they said "sorry" and backed off OK, would it be okay to kidnap the baby then?

HELL NO.

[NiceGoing]

From that link:

As with the mass seizure of children from the FLDS polygamist enclave a couple of years ago, this case seems like a perfect illustration of H.L. Mencken's maxim that "the trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."


THAT is something that a few people here need to comprehend. It speaks directly to these stupid comments about the parents not being "poster children".

Agreed.

Great job on the Gerry Spence letter, btw. That would be a very very bright event, should it happen. Fingers crossed

[pcosmar]

For those that think this is anything new,
You might learn about FAMTRAK.
http://apatriotsmanifest.com/oct08/index08102501.html

FamTrak is an underground railroad, safe homes all across the United States where families on the run from local Government authorities who wish to profit from their children through false charges hide. It's not perfect, some places are discovered by the authorities, but because the infrastructure is set up where the people only know the next destination an hour before they leave for it, the entire chain cannot be compromised by a single mother or father who needs to make a deal to keep their children.

and then look at the rest of the story.
http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.p...;f=43;t=000116

In short, whatever agency took down FAMTRAK with secret arrests, detentions, and quite possibly killings (some operatives and fugitives apparently have not checked in for months now), that agency must be put on the top of every single patriot or revolutionary hit list in existence. I mean, can you think of any human rights violation worse than illegal human trafficking for profit where the victims are actually "owned" and traded by business entities and then they utilize extralegal means to retain control of their "property?" Thing is right now, not a single US government agency has been traced to the "disappearances". Even the topic dropped off the top of this forum when we never got updates from the people who were going to check the situation out.

know where you are?

[Carson]

I met a Navajo lady that was stolen from her parents by our government.

I could see some of the benefits of the education she ended up with but I have no idea of what was lost to her.

It is lost.

Lost forever.

?

[Jcambeis]

It seems the government kid nappers are letting the mother have supervised visits with the baby

[sratiug]

It seems the government kid nappers are letting the mother have supervised visits with the baby

Well, isn't that special... barf. This $#@! is disgusting.

[tropicangela]

On drudge today.

Also, Irish, the father, isn't allowed to see her due to safety concerns.
[Edit: Source was the mother Stephanie at http://www.facebook.com/freebabycheyenne]

[Bruno]

On drudge today.

Also, Irish, the father, isn't allowed to see her due to safety concerns.
[Edit: Source was the mother Stephanie at http://www.facebook.com/freebabycheyenne]

I just caught that, it wasn't there earlier.

[VegasPatriot]

CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby

New article from Stewart Rhodes

Note:

RALLY FOR THE FIRST AMENDMENT! This Thursday, October 14, Dover, NH
We will be holding a rally in support of the First Amendment protected right of freedom of association, to be held this Thursday, October 14, at the Rochester Family Division Court, 259 County Farm Rd, Dover, NH 03820-6016. I (Stewart Rhodes) will be there, and I am calling on all Oath Keepers, all who “associate” with us, and on all other organizations that stand for the Constitution and for liberty to be there for a peaceful gathering in support of both the due process rights of the parents (who have a hearing there, on that day), but also to stand in support of the rights of free speech and association, free from persecution, for ALL Americans. I will post more details later today. Please join us!

[Deborah K]

That the Court relied on an affidavit that explicitly lists the father’s association with Oath Keepers to issue that order makes it important to all ten thousand dues paying members of Oath Keepers (many of them current serving police and military), and also makes it important to the estimated thirty thousand people (and growing) who have “associated” with Oath Keepers in the past, or still do, on several social media sites, such as Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, on our email alert list, in the comments section of our main site, in our free state forums, or in person at our many meetings across the country, and the many additional tens of thousands who have “associated” with us at various rallies, summits, and forums across the nation.

This use of a father’s political association and his gun ownership is also important to many other Americans who don’t even associate with Oath Keepers because what happens in this case can impact the free speech and association rights of all of us, across the nation, of whatever political or social orientation. And that is why we must stand firm, now.

There you have it. Can we stop all the nay-saying now and get to work on this?

[specsaregood]

There you have it. Can we stop all the nay-saying now and get to work on this?

What type of Remedy are the Oath Keepers looking for here? ie: what will make them happy?

[Bern]

Thanks VP. Good stuff in that last update from OK.

[Deborah K]

What type of Remedy are the Oath Keepers looking for here? ie: what will make them happy?

I'm sure we'll find that out soon enough. I would think that they would file an action to have them removed as a cause and also a retraction for the false information that they are a militia. In addition, as much media exposure and public pressure on the legal system for listing free association as a reason to remove a child would be in order.

[pcosmar]

There you have it. Can we stop all the nay-saying now and get to work on this?

I would hope so. I started a thread for brain storming. I had hoped that folks could find ways to get this story into every home and every conversation.
The Oathkeepers have good grounds to peruse, but there are other issues as well. If we had folks attacking this from several directions we could break this open. Put on the heat.
This is the best opportunity to kick the Police State square in the balls.
There is ammunition for everyone.

[specsaregood]

I'm sure we'll find that out soon enough. I would think that they would file an action to have them removed as a cause and also a retraction for the false information that they are a militia. In addition, as much media exposure and public pressure on the legal system for listing free association as a reason to remove a child would be in order.

That sounds reasonable enough. I hope the OK, or somebody similar works up a draft letter/template that others can use. If a decent one is setup, I'll snailmail one in.

[Brian4Liberty]

CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby

New article from Stewart Rhodes

Note:

RALLY FOR THE FIRST AMENDMENT! This Thursday, October 14, Dover, NH
We will be holding a rally in support of the First Amendment protected right of freedom of association, to be held this Thursday, October 14, at the Rochester Family Division Court, 259 County Farm Rd, Dover, NH 03820-6016. I (Stewart Rhodes) will be there, and I am calling on all Oath Keepers, all who “associate” with us, and on all other organizations that stand for the Constitution and for liberty to be there for a peaceful gathering in support of both the due process rights of the parents (who have a hearing there, on that day), but also to stand in support of the rights of free speech and association, free from persecution, for ALL Americans. I will post more details later today. Please join us!

Yep. Good stuff.

Worth going to the link.

(Also, the full 13 pages of documentation are there.)

[Deborah K]

I would hope so. I started a thread for brain storming. I had hoped that folks could find ways to get this story into every home and every conversation.
The Oathkeepers have good grounds to peruse, but there are other issues as well. If we had folks attacking this from several directions we could break this open. Put on the heat.
This is the best opportunity to kick the Police State square in the balls.
There is ammunition for everyone.

Will you post the thread?

[pcosmar]

It also needs to be pushed into the light. Media coverage.
This is only one of thousands of stories Thousands of families all across the country.
Nearly everyone has had some experience with this $#@!, or knows somebody that did.

Get this into conversation and spotlighted on the news.
Then Gang Jump it.
1st amendment. Oathkeepers have that.
2nd amendment, Need GOA and JPFO

4th amendment, needs to be addressed.

The CPS,or any other acronym that steals children. They have long been out of control.
The connection between SPLC/ADL and Law enforcement. Conflicts of interest. Corruption.
What political hard balls are there? Tough questions to nail candidates.

This is a chance to beat down the beast and put it on a leash.

[pcosmar]

Will you post the thread?

Sure,
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=263685

[ericsnow]

Anyone know why I can't embed the PDF of the full affidavit? I'm copying the embed code exactly.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

An unrebutted affidavit can stand as truth.

This is how all such petitions are done. The same goes for a restraining order. The petition is supported by affidavit laying out the reasons, and then if the judge finds those reasons sufficient, he or she issues the order. Such orders always rely on the affidavit attached to the petition.

Maybe some people will listen now that OK has stated the same exact thing other people have been stating for a long time.

Too many people are asking “but did he do it.”

Maybe some are but I am not, because like Danke and others, understand how court works. Court begins before you ever get to a judge and it's all based on affidavit. He said, she said. Like I posted in another thread recently, human beings are creatures of observation and we record our observations. Courts do not defy the laws of nature and work on the same principal except they call those observations affidavits. Once it gets to a judge, very often the facts (ie. unrebutted affidavits), are not in dispute. When I ask for the facts I want to know what does the affidavit state, what has been rebutted, and if it is a case in progress have there been any findings of fact where the court has rendered an opinion on truth. Facts have nothing to do with "but did he do it."

CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby

New article from Stewart Rhodes

Note:

RALLY FOR THE FIRST AMENDMENT! This Thursday, October 14, Dover, NH
We will be holding a rally in support of the First Amendment protected right of freedom of association, to be held this Thursday, October 14, at the Rochester Family Division Court, 259 County Farm Rd, Dover, NH 03820-6016. I (Stewart Rhodes) will be there, and I am calling on all Oath Keepers, all who “associate” with us, and on all other organizations that stand for the Constitution and for liberty to be there for a peaceful gathering in support of both the due process rights of the parents (who have a hearing there, on that day), but also to stand in support of the rights of free speech and association, free from persecution, for ALL Americans. I will post more details later today. Please join us!

thanks for the update.

[Brian4Liberty]

This is how all such petitions are done. The same goes for a restraining order.

And there's an entirely different, but related subject. Gun ownership is commonly listed on restraining orders.

[ericsnow]

Lol at the ignorant deniers at the randi/JREF forums - http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...75#post6429675

[tropicangela]

Link to copies of redacted affidavit.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...&id=1086982051

[Deborah K]

And there's an entirely different, but related subject. Gun ownership is commonly listed on restraining orders.

No $#@!??

[tropicangela]

Link to copies of redacted affidavit.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...&id=1086982051

"Child shall receive medical treatment which may be deemed necessary by DCYF" = vaccinations if parents opted out.

[Brian4Liberty]

No $#@!??

So I've heard. No personal experience! One guy told me his wife sprung divorce papers and a restraining order on him at the same time. She later admitted to him that "she didn't know how he would take the divorce papers, and her lawyer recommended the restraining order". The restraining order was based on nothing more than "he might get mad" (no history of violence at all), "fear for safety" and that he owned guns.

Remember Chris Simcox? They can take away your Second Amendment rights with very little due process...(once again, maybe he's not the best example, don't know).

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo...der-of-the.php

[pcosmar]

Anyone curious about the Father David Taylor.
He has a FB.
http://www.facebook.com/freebabychey...?id=1149087441

Giving away free dildos so you all can go $#@! yourselves XD

[Deborah K]

So I've heard. No personal experience! One guy told me his wife sprung divorce papers and a restraining order on him at the same time. She later admitted to him that "she didn't know how he would take the divorce papers, and her lawyer recommended the restraining order". The restraining order was based on nothing more than "he might get mad" (no history of violence at all), "fear for safety" and that he owned guns.

Remember Chris Simcox? They can take away your Second Amendment rights with very little due process...(once again, maybe he's not the best example, don't know).

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo...der-of-the.php

Chris has been unjustly vilified imo, although he's no saint. None of us are. I know I'm not.

I believe restraining orders are a matter of common practice with divorce proceedings but never knew that weapons were listed. Such BS!