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    New Rand Paul ad - Saving Social Security and Medicare

    Last edited by jct74; 10-05-2010 at 01:00 PM. Reason: swapped video with higher quality version



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    does this mean Conway is catching up in the polls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amisspelledword View Post
    does this mean Conway is catching up in the polls?
    I don't think so. Rand was running attack ads against Grayson when Rand was still up by 15 in the polls. He just wants to put the race away.

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    What gets me is why do we have to play the game? Social Security and Medicare unfairly funnels desperate folks into an inequitable system, which primarily serves the interests of non-participant special interest groups. Has it gotten so bad that we have to suck up to these two $#@!ty programs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Has it gotten so bad that we have to suck up to these two $#@!ty programs?
    Welcome to politics.

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    lol I love the transition from the evil Conway music to the magnificent Paul music half way through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Has it gotten so bad that we have to suck up to these two $#@!ty programs?
    Yes. What's the point of Rand saying that SS and Medicare should be abolished when there's no chance of that ever happening? It's not something that Rand will ever vote on.

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    Ughhhh...

    I understand the political importance of doing this, but damn....how collectivist have we become when social security alternatives are not popular to talk about???


    Its sad



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    Quote Originally Posted by Traditional Conservative View Post
    Yes. What's the point of Rand saying that SS and Medicare should be abolished when there's no chance of that ever happening? It's not something that Rand will ever vote on.
    I'm aware of the potential for self-inflicted wounds but the massaging of these two unconstitutional behemoths is too much for my heart-rate. Nevertheless, Rand should emphasize that new employees reserve the right to opt-in or opt-out of the Social Security program. Forcing somebody into a program that's not going to be functioning, when they reach the required age is pure nonsense and manipulative to boot. Secondly, as Sharron Angle wisely stated, keep the fed's dirty hands off the remaining Social Security funds, even if it's a fait accompli at this point.

    Now regarding Medicare, Rand should emphasize the gradual dissolution of HMOs and PPOs, which distort the price of health care as well as damage the doctor/patient relationship. This is the type of stuff I want to hear, preferably after the election. F the democrats and their little gotcha games. They've been utilizing the same shakedown playbook for decades.
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    I think it should specify that there might be changes for younger people. That was in the debate, and elsewhere, and I think it needs to be explained. I realize you are looking at a 1 min ad rather than a 30 second ad, then, though.

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    This ad is troubling......it claims that Rand never supported raising Medicare deductibles even though he said that he does (regardless of whether he wanted to sell that idea politically).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozz View Post
    This ad is troubling......it claims that Rand never supported raising Medicare deductibles even though he said that he does (regardless of whether he wanted to sell that idea politically).
    It said he didn't support raising them for SENIORS which he didn't -- he was talking about gradual change for younger people, and never $2000 as Jack said -- that was a technical fix he was saying would never pass - but they had to do SOMETHING.

    I think it should be clearer though. There is absolutely nothing wrong with his position, but the campaign could create trouble for him with this ad saying only as much as it does, and not explaining it, imho.

    Also, media is no more picking up that youtube of Conway saying that in social security 'everything is on the table' that the campaign sent out in a press release then they picked up on his $400,000+ money bomb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AquaBuddha2010 View Post
    Ughhhh...

    I understand the political importance of doing this, but damn....how collectivist have we become when social security alternatives are not popular to talk about???


    Its sad
    It doesn't matter.

    What matters is winning.

    This is what the socialists understand but some libertarians don't. You need to WIN the elections in order to change the system.

    The ad is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    What gets me is why do we have to play the game? Social Security and Medicare unfairly funnels desperate folks into an inequitable system, which primarily serves the interests of non-participant special interest groups. Has it gotten so bad that we have to suck up to these two $#@!ty programs?
    Well to cut down government one good tactic would be to say we need to cut all spending out to keep these two unworkable programs afloat. It would allow us to cut out all the excesses, we could even reduce foreign policy spending this way.

    After that we can transition away from SS and Medicare if we are lucky. The programs will be bankrupt no matter what we do.

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    People need to understand something. Who are the people that vote? Is there massive youth turnout? black? indian? No. The people that turnout are the elderly. If Rand pranced around the country saying he will cut medicare and social security, you would see a major drop in the polls.

    Look at our budget? Where does the majority of the money go? Youth? Defense? No. It is programs for the elderly. if every single youth turned out in the elections, you would see money start to move away from the elderly into programs that benefit youth like education.

    Despite libertarian views on social security and medicare, they will not win an election anywhere. It would be safe to say that social security should be cut for the younger generation, but never underestimate the power of the elderly.
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    Um.... For those saying Rand isn't talking about the handout nature (SS is not a handout. People pay into it but, government shouldn't be into that either).

    Read this: http://bluegrasspolitics.bloginky.co...fare%E2%80%99/



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    Maybe if the youth had not aborted 40 million young people over the last 40 years the youth voting block might have been large enough to counter some of the gimmi type oldsters.

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    !


    !!!!!!!!!!!!


    between 2020 and 2030 we have 1/5th to 1/4th of our nation being over the age of 60 and having qualified for
    their AARP newsletters for a full decade. shortly before the FREDDIE MAC and FANNIE MAE debacle there was talk
    of social security going bankrupt. jack conway emotes care and concern yet has an adversion to the bedeviled details.
    the age for eligibility in full could go from 65 to 70 or 72 so damn fast as a way to stave off an almost inevitable collapse...


    seriously!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    I'm aware of the potential for self-inflicted wounds but the massaging of these two unconstitutional behemoths is too much for my heart-rate. Nevertheless, Rand should emphasize that new employees reserve the right to opt-in or opt-out of the Social Security program. Forcing somebody into a program that's not going to be functioning, when they reach the required age is pure nonsense and manipulative to boot. Secondly, as Sharron Angle wisely stated, keep the fed's dirty hands off the remaining Social Security funds, even if it's a fait accompli at this point.

    Now regarding Medicare, Rand should emphasize the gradual dissolution of HMOs and PPOs, which distort the price of health care as well as damage the doctor/patient relationship. This is the type of stuff I want to hear, preferably after the election. F the democrats and their little gotcha games. They've been utilizing the same shakedown playbook for decades.
    The problem with this line of thinking is that most of the voting populace have zero understanding of the bare minimum amount of economic sense to grasp what you are saying. I was all for Ron running an "educational" campaign but I want Rand running to WIN. He can become educational once he holds his seat. Patience young grasshopper.

    And for the record I share your sentiment but am doing my best to remain focused on the long term.
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