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  1. #121

    Ron Paul: Federal Reserve is Like Drug Addiction


    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...drug-addiction

    "Paul also favors allowing private entities to issue gold and silver coins and wants to prevent federal and state governments from taxing those precious metals."



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  3. #122
    The REAL reason we invaded Libya.

    http://thenewamerican.com/economy/ma...astated-dollar

    From http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

    "Libya: Gadhafi planned to switch to gold in place of the US dollar for oil purchases. This would have further devastated the dollar and might have caused it to be dumped as the world's reserve currency. [Surely, this had nothing to do with the fact that the US backed Libya's rebellion and demanded 'regime change'. Right?] New American Posted 2011 Nov 12"

  4. #123
    Freedom Watch: On Money: Ron Paul, And The Federal Reserve




    Paul is right! Kucinich'e idea is a disaster!
    Last edited by Foundation_Of_Liberty; 11-26-2011 at 06:37 PM.

  5. #124
    The difference between Paul and Kucinich, and their reasons for wanting to abolish the Fed, underscores what has been the ugly truth about the Fed system since its inception. The Fed is now propped up by support from two sides:

    1) Government can deficit spend (siphon value directly from the currency by direct inflationary dilution) without bothering to raise taxes.
    (this equates to bipartisan appeal for different reasons, making an A-Frame of two flanked support for the Fed)
    2) Banks can practice fractional reserve lending (siphon value directly from the currency by direct inflationary dilution) to lend to the credit-worthy.
    (fractional reserve lending appeals to bankers, and also downstream to businesses, which have readily available capital to combine and leverage with their own at the expense of the currency)

    The Fed facilitates both sides, both of which are inflationary.

    Deficit spending proponents in government exist in great numbers on both the far left and the far right, since both the war machine and the welfare machine that would otherwise be funded from tax revenues can be expanded at will without reprisal from tax payers by simply funding it through inflationary borrowing - a hidden tax on the currency itself.

    Kucinich does not want to "end" the Fed. He wants to Federalize it, and place it directly under the Treasury Department. Why? Because Kucinich very much LIKES the idea of government deficit spending! He HATES the idea that money is being "borrowed" out thin air, rather than directly printed out of thin air directly by the government, with no intermediary. Kucinich also HATES the idea of commerce competing in the inflationary process, as the currency supply is even further debased and diluted through fractional reserve lending.

    The far left and far right BOTH generally support the idea of inflationary practices for their own reasons. Their only real disagreement, primarily, is on who should be entitled to debauch the currency, and for what reasons - as one sibling wants to slap the other sibling off the teet that neither should have suckled in the first place (given that they are not infants, but vampires, and it is not a pair of teets, but bite marks over the jugular of the American economy)

  6. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Douglas View Post
    The difference between Paul and Kucinich, and their reasons for wanting to abolish the Fed, underscores what has been the ugly truth about the Fed system since its inception. The Fed is now propped up by support from two sides:

    1) Government can deficit spend (siphon value directly from the currency by direct inflationary dilution) without bothering to raise taxes.
    (this equates to bipartisan appeal for different reasons, making an A-Frame of two flanked support for the Fed)
    2) Banks can practice fractional reserve lending (siphon value directly from the currency by direct inflationary dilution) to lend to the credit-worthy.
    (fractional reserve lending appeals to bankers, and also downstream to businesses, which have readily available capital to combine and leverage with their own at the expense of the currency)

    The Fed facilitates both sides, both of which are inflationary.

    Deficit spending proponents in government exist in great numbers on both the far left and the far right, since both the war machine and the welfare machine that would otherwise be funded from tax revenues can be expanded at will without reprisal from tax payers by simply funding it through inflationary borrowing - a hidden tax on the currency itself.

    Kucinich does not want to "end" the Fed. He wants to Federalize it, and place it directly under the Treasury Department. Why? Because Kucinich very much LIKES the idea of government deficit spending! He HATES the idea that money is being "borrowed" out thin air, rather than directly printed out of thin air directly by the government, with no intermediary. Kucinich also HATES the idea of commerce competing in the inflationary process, as the currency supply is even further debased and diluted through fractional reserve lending.

    The far left and far right BOTH generally support the idea of inflationary practices for their own reasons. Their only real disagreement, primarily, is on who should be entitled to debauch the currency, and for what reasons - as one sibling wants to slap the other sibling off the teet that neither should have suckled in the first place (given that they are not infants, but vampires, and it is not a pair of teets, but bite marks over the jugular of the American economy)
    Absolutely. This is exactly why I want to be in control of our money supply. If you let me have it, I will treat you guys fairly... I promise.
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan

  7. #126
    Cross my fingers and hope to die... promise fellows. Just give me the power! You'll see. I'll be "fair". I promise.
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan

  8. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Douglas View Post
    The difference between Paul and Kucinich, and their reasons for wanting to abolish the Fed, underscores what has been the ugly truth about the Fed system since its inception. The Fed is now propped up by support from two sides:

    1) Government can deficit spend (siphon value directly from the currency by direct inflationary dilution) without bothering to raise taxes.
    (this equates to bipartisan appeal for different reasons, making an A-Frame of two flanked support for the Fed)
    2) Banks can practice fractional reserve lending (siphon value directly from the currency by direct inflationary dilution) to lend to the credit-worthy.
    (fractional reserve lending appeals to bankers, and also downstream to businesses, which have readily available capital to combine and leverage with their own at the expense of the currency)

    The Fed facilitates both sides, both of which are inflationary.

    Deficit spending proponents in government exist in great numbers on both the far left and the far right, since both the war machine and the welfare machine that would otherwise be funded from tax revenues can be expanded at will without reprisal from tax payers by simply funding it through inflationary borrowing - a hidden tax on the currency itself.

    Kucinich does not want to "end" the Fed. He wants to Federalize it, and place it directly under the Treasury Department. Why? Because Kucinich very much LIKES the idea of government deficit spending! He HATES the idea that money is being "borrowed" out thin air, rather than directly printed out of thin air directly by the government, with no intermediary. Kucinich also HATES the idea of commerce competing in the inflationary process, as the currency supply is even further debased and diluted through fractional reserve lending.

    The far left and far right BOTH generally support the idea of inflationary practices for their own reasons. Their only real disagreement, primarily, is on who should be entitled to debauch the currency, and for what reasons - as one sibling wants to slap the other sibling off the teet that neither should have suckled in the first place (given that they are not infants, but vampires, and it is not a pair of teets, but bite marks over the jugular of the American economy)
    Steven, you are brilliant! And instead of calling this thing "inflationary dilution" (which is correct by the way), I would call it LEGALIZED PLUNDER via legalized and monopolized counterfeiting.

    If people are free to transact in any currency they please, (as under this amendment), fiat (unbacked "money") will die, and a 100% commodity based currency will overwhelmingly prevail, because it is the most honest and the most stable monetary system known to man, and needs no government coercion to operate, -- it is the monetary system of a truly free people!
    Last edited by Foundation_Of_Liberty; 11-27-2011 at 05:48 PM.

  9. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Foundation_Of_Liberty View Post
    Steven, you are brilliant! And instead of calling this thing "inflationary dilution" (which is correct by the way), I would call it LEGALIZED PLUNDER via legalized and monopolized counterfeiting.
    I think it is VERY important to refer to it in terms of a mechanism that is both accurate and self-explanatory. It's why I hate the term "printing out thin air!", because there is no indication of the coupling force that automatically occurs - which leaves room for a logical disconnect, and even the question, "So? So they're counterfeiting, so what? At least I got mine, they can't touch that!"

    Likewise, "inflation" alone is conflated to mean "rising prices", wherease "inflationary dilution", or "inflationary dilution of the money supply" leaves no ambiguity for waffling on what exactly is meant thereby - that you are, in fact, referring to a specific forcing, without regard to the effects.

    Likewise, LEGALIZED PLUNDER is completely accurate, I agree, but it does not describe the mechanism by which such plunder actually takes place. So it can dismissed as an ad hominem attack, and, worse yet, everyone is left to fill in the blanks (with 99%+ inaccuracy) as to why or exactly how that might be true.



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  11. #129
    Thanks Steven! You are right, "inflationary dilution" emphasizes the fact that the purchasing power is being STOLEN from everyone who is holding "dollars", and transferred to the one who used newly counterfeited money first.
    Last edited by Foundation_Of_Liberty; 11-28-2011 at 11:18 AM.

  12. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Foundation_Of_Liberty View Post
    Thanks Steven! You are right, "inflationary dilution" emphasizes the fact that the purchasing power is being STOLEN from everyone who is holding "dollars", and transferred to the one who used newly counterfeited money first.
    Yeah, it's just a bartender watering down drinks, a drug dealer that cuts their drugs with worthless powder.

    I am looking for all the other ways to say it, using the same criteria. When you say "inflationary dilution" it leaves no argument open for dispute - or at the very least, one you will win every time, given that is precisely and irrefutably what happens. Intelligent, but otherwise Keynesian/pro-fiat money/mainstream economists and others will not dispute this. Their entire M.O. and the reason they prefer the more nebulous "effects-based" definitions, is to get past that "little technicality" as quickly as possible, so that we can then become mired into meaningless discussions about all the complexities that occur after the fact, including all the wonderful reasons why such dilutions are somehow good or necessary for "the economy".

    Remember the movie Cocoon? The swimming pool was infused with potent life-giving energy from the alien cocoons. A few old men swimming in the water weakened the water a bit, but not too much. It didn't matter all that much, so those few were given permission. Then word got out that the pool was indeed a source of rejuvenation, and everyone jumped into the water -- until the cocoons were sapped of all their energy, and some of the cocoons died.

    The cocoons were our original wealth until they were thrown into a collective "wealth pool" of America, one that was interconnected but never collectivized to begin with. It was an enormous, but not infinite, source of wealth. The government created the Fed, which in turn gave permission to both government and the banks and commercial interests to jump into the Cocoon filled wealth pool of America at will...and every time they did, they weakened it - sucked vital energy from it. With a seemingly boundless, endless, "free" source of wealth, the only problem is how to get those who contribute to the cocoons to rejuvenate the water faster, because Libya and many others, it turns out, have since been given permission to jump into the pool, and there's always a possibility we're going to have let the EU jump in as well - because they're not doing so well either, doncha know.

  13. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Foundation_Of_Liberty View Post
    Thanks Steven! You are right, "inflationary dilution" emphasizes the fact that the purchasing power is being STOLEN from everyone who is holding "dollars", and transferred to the one who used newly counterfeited money first.
    I am surprised that more people are not really pissed off at their banker. He is a thief. The entire industry is nothing but a theft ring. People would be mad as hell if someone stole their computer, their car, or broke into their home every night and stole food & wine out of the cellar, but let a banker dress up in a nice Armani suit, sit down at church with them, face them across the desk while begging for loan, and the thief seems like a really nice guy. It is amazing.

    Not one man in a million can detect it, and nearly that same proportion of people will not believe it when it is pointed out. Yet, the thieves tell everybody what they are doing, but since they seem like such nice guys... clean shaven and all... they show up to work on time... they are really rich so they must be hard working fellows... and people allow the really nice banker to pick their pocket every day with a smile.
    "By this means government may secretly and unobserved, confiscate the wealth of the people, and not one man in a million will detect the theft." - Lord John Maynard Keynes, "Economic Consequences of Peace"
    "If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched." - George H.W. Bush to White House reporter Sarah McClendon, 1992
    "In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the 'hidden' confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights." - Alan Greenspan, Gold and Economic Freedom
    As each day passes ... everybody but the insiders are getting poorer and poorer. It is amazing. When will it end?
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan

  14. #132
    Yeah, in a word, fiat, unbacked monetary system is the single greatest instrument of plunder ever conceived by the mind of man, and Free Competition in currencies kills that monster faster than you can say "I don't want your worthless paper!" Hence the need for this amendment, or at least the need for the principles spelled out in it to be put into practice. Freedom IS the solution.
    Last edited by Foundation_Of_Liberty; 11-28-2011 at 12:07 PM.

  15. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Foundation_Of_Liberty View Post
    Yeah, in a word, fiat, unbacked monetary system is the single greatest instrument of plunder ever conceived by the mind of man, and Free Competition in currencies kills that monster faster than you can say "I don't want your worthless paper!" Hence the need for this amendment, or at least the need for the principles spelled out in it to be put into practice. Freedom IS the solution.
    Stopping the plunder this afternoon or tomorrow wouldn't be too soon for me.
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan

  16. #134

  17. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    As each day passes ... everybody but the insiders are getting poorer and poorer. It is amazing. When will it end?
    It might never end. That's the sad reality, because it is founded on Majority Addiction and Majority Ignorance, and greases too many hands in the process. That makes it prone to thrive under any political regime - especially a democracy - a tyranny of the very majority it enslaves. But since it "seems" to gain in the short term (amphetamines really do unleash more energy, that is not an illusion), it gets passes off for another day, down the road - partly from fairy tale ignorance, partly from greed, but mostly from pain avoidance. Hell, even a stone-cold, hardcore addicted junkie doesn't die right away. How do we know he doesn't owe his very life to the drugs he is taking? He would rather continue with the addiction than face the very real pain of withdrawals. That is the yang that comes with that yin, the very natural piper forces that comes calling, demanding to be paid.

    Only here we are not talking about a single junkie, or even a generation of junkies. Humans are a renewable resource. The old junkies die, the new junkies have both youth and a "useful lifespan", regardless of how long it might last. And if they have babies at younger ages, that just keeps the productivity well alive. Damaged, yes, but alive nonetheless.

    That a flagrantly criminal Ponzi scheme of this magnitude has lasted a hundred years is a testament to its longevity and the efficacy of its deception. If we do enter into a new phase with a Super Euro-Dollar (which China may be wise enough to have NOTHING to do with), it would not surprise me if its methods were honed such that it lasted, conceivably, for a thousand years. Why? Because those who are enslaved by such a system really will always continue to produce. They must as a matter of survival. It is that need, that drive to survive which is leveraged and tapped into most of all. The need to survive is the driving fuel, and theoretically, you really can shear sheep indefinitely - so long as you are careful not to cut too deeply. But you still want more wool. The response to that little limitation - more sheep.

  18. #136
    Fiat unbacked money is socialism (i.e. plunder). Plain and simple. It is collectivism. Such a society must unavoidably self-destruct, because it eviscerates all productive forces of the society. The only sure foundation to build upon are the true principles of liberty (which demand this amendment).
    Last edited by Foundation_Of_Liberty; 11-28-2011 at 02:37 PM.



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  20. #137
    I wish people could see how prosperous they would be if they stopped the thieves from plundering. Flying cars would be the order of the day. Many of our clothes, products, and fuel would be made from renewable resources. A free world would be happy healthy world. People could comfortably enjoy the world in peace instead of working until they die.

    It may be tough for me to ever see it in reality, but I can continue to spread the message of truth with the hope that my children and grandchildren may achieve some semblance of liberty, peace, and prosperity some day.

    "Let It Not Be Said That We Did Nothing" -- Ron Paul
    "Everyone who believes in freedom must work diligently for sound money, fully redeemable. Nothing else is compatible with the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity." -- Ron Paul

    Brother Jonathan

  21. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Foundation_Of_Liberty View Post
    Fiat unbacked money is socialism. Plain and simple. It is collectivism. Such a society must unavoidably self-destruct, because it eviscerates all productive forces of the society. The only sure foundation to build upon are the true principles of liberty (which demand this amendment).
    Let's clear that one up as well. It is collectivism, and of the most insidious kind, but it is NOT socialism. Socialism is a DREAM compared to what this is, because at the very least socialism just redistributes wealth from the rich to the poor - or so it intends. That is not what this system does (although it pretends to do that as well). This system SIPHONS wealth and redistributes it to the poor and the unproductive from the left, but MOSTLY to the hyper-rich on the right. Who is left out? COMPLETELY? The middle class.

    What this system really does is DIVIDE the rich from the poor, and with an ever-widening gap. DELIBERATELY.

    I used to hate the old mantra, "Yeah, the rich get richer while the poor get poorer", just about as much as I still HATE the mantra about "the wealthiest 1%" (and any other blithering way you want to put it) - because, once again, THESE MORONS are pointing to effects, not causal factors. Pointing at the effects leaves us batting against leaves and fruits, bickering and whining about things like "greed" and ulterior motives, while leaving the root "causes", which mechanisms take place without regard to motives, COMPLETELY UNEXAMINED.

    There is no such thing as socialism - not here OR in China. China is neither communist nor is it socialist. Socialism is nothing more than a sentiment - a statement of intent. China is now nothing more than oligarchical control of a now capital driven economy with "socialist ideals". One fundamental difference is that it actually encourages and rewards savings!

    And what the HELL ARE WE? Don't say democracy, or even Democratic Republic, as if that meant anything at all - that is a shell game of the highest order, and absolutely meaningless. And don't say land of the free and home of the brave either. We are, at the core, a BANKER'S economy, which has deliberately pit one ideological faction against the other, by facilitating "FREE MARKET" competition between corporatist AND socialist ideals - all of it collectivist, as they all slop from the same collective debt trough.

    So you could say "follow the money", but to do that you must realize that the actual money trail is divided into two extremely compromised branches which now very much depend upon one another, and the system as devised, for survival.

    Oh, and I don't look a commercial bankers as anything but branches of evil. NOT the roots. So I ignore them, and none of my anger is directed toward them, because it really is a needless distraction. They don't make the rules - they only profit from them. Otherwise, by extension, anybody who has ever had credit is culpable - they're the twigs and leaves hanging from those branches. That leaves only those who are not allowed to participate (the non-credit worthy) with clean hands - but the poorest of these flank the other side - the socialist side of the equation. If fractional reserve lending was criminalized, that branch which causes the greatest amount of inflation to the money supply would wither and die. Likewise, if there were no legal tender laws, and hard specie was not taxed, we would not all be force-channeled artificially into DEBT as the only means for economic activity. Savings would mean something, and privately accumulated capital would compete head-to-head, and ultimately STOMP debt-based capital into its natural proper place.

    So I focus on the root cause only - not those who profit therefrom.


    Ron Paul is unique because he is one of the very, VERY few who actually champions the middle class in all of this. The rest fall primarily on whichever side of the Ponzi scheme is most effectual for the advancement of their Macroeconomic Causes - without regard to the scores of millions of casualties in the middle.
    Last edited by Steven Douglas; 11-28-2011 at 01:15 PM.

  22. #139
    Has anybody here seen the Saw series of movies? I hate the movies myself, but watched two of them, just as I hate all so-called "no win" thought experiments - like the popular "Would you rather..." thought games - which are somehow fun as well as revealing (NOT).

    The Saw series forces people into unnatural situations, which in turn forces them to make macabre choices - which are supposedly tests of their humanity and character.

    Jigsaw, the demented psychotic genius/bastard responsible for the machines and bizarre machinations, is dismissed up front as "Yeah, well, we know he's bad - but anyway, what about these other people, and all the juicy stuff that Jigsaw set into motion? Isn't that heart-pounding stuff?!"

    I stop the tape/film right there. What do I care how these people respond to any of this? The only real evil in the film is Jigsaw himself. The rest are just flawed humans that Jigsaw has judged and wants to "teach" lessons to ("I want to play a game."). And he's just a psychotic killer who is going to die anyway, whose identity is camouflaged such that he's immune. So let's just get past that and focus on the story at hand, shall we? After all, the people involved are the "real story".

    No they aren't. They shouldn't be in that position in the first place, and I don't have a single judgment for any of them. Their cowardice or heroics are meaningless to me. So what's the point of the film, when I already know the solution, and the bigger moral to the story without even watching it?

    The Fed is Jigsaw. Legal tender laws, fractional reserve lending and deficit spending are the unnatural causes which bring about two competing forces for the survival of the only two classes which matter - "the rich" and "the poor" - as if that described the current whole, rather than the end game.

  23. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Travlyr View Post
    I wish people could see how prosperous they would be if they stopped the thieves from plundering. Flying cars would be the order of the day. Many of our clothes, products, and fuel would be made from renewable resources. A free world would be happy healthy world. People could comfortably enjoy the world in peace instead of working until they die.

    It may be tough for me to ever see it in reality, but I can continue to spread the message of truth with the hope that my children and grandchildren may achieve some semblance of liberty, peace, and prosperity some day.

    "Let It Not Be Said That We Did Nothing" -- Ron Paul
    You are so right!

  24. #141
    Thanks Steven. So do you agree, that if the improper government FORCE was removed from the realm of money, via a law like this amendment, that it would strike at the root of the problem, and pretty much cut the throat of the beast?
    Last edited by Foundation_Of_Liberty; 11-28-2011 at 02:39 PM.

  25. #142
    Quote Originally Posted by Foundation_Of_Liberty View Post
    Thanks Steven. So do you agree, that if the improper government FORCE was removed from the realm of money, via a law like this amendment, that it would strike at the root of the problem, and pretty much cut the throat of the beast?
    Yes, and quite naturally. The beauty of it: Not everyone knows the nature of the beast, and in fact most believe in it. That alone prevents the catastrophic collapse that WOULD occur (the one that will eventually occur anyway) if you simply killed one beast and replaced it with another all at once.

    Remember the adage - "panic" does not apply to those who simply and quietly walked out of the theater early. (or words to that effect - how does it really go?)

    At first it would just be a bunch of "gold and silver bugs" doing their kooky "hoarding" thing, which gets derided by uninformed idiots who have no understanding of money or value...along with some not-so-vocal but equally intelligent people who do the same thing, because they actually do get the fundamentals involved. And a bunch of politicians will wring their hands about how this is just a tax evasion scheme that is unfairly punishing hard working Americans by placing "a greater we're-all-supposed-to-be-in-the-ponzi-scheme-together-or-it-won't-work burden".

    The rest, however, will take a wait and see attitude. And - they will likely be rewarded in the short term, as steps are taken to artificially prop up the dollar (with even more debt). However, the wait-and-seers won't have to wait long, because with every market scare - every blip, every bump, every hint of a drop - more and more people will flock to safer havens...which in turn sets Thiers law spiraling into motion as everyone sells their "debt-money" in droves...until finally there are no buyers of the fiat currency at any low price.
    Last edited by Steven Douglas; 11-28-2011 at 03:46 PM.

  26. #143
    As I said, Steven, you are brilliant! And "a greater we're-all-supposed-to-be-in-the-ponzi-scheme-together-or-it-won't-work burden" is just too funny!

    Thanks!

  27. #144
    Ron Paul Grills Ben Bernanke On Competing Currencies



    Freedom is the solution! Free Competition in Currencies KILLS fiat, debt based, interest bearing system! And together with fiat it kills welfare state and warfare state!



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  31. #147
    GEG'S REPLY:
    Richard, the simplest formula is no formula. Formulas are designed to be manipulated. That's why they are created. Therefore, monetary formulas, even those based on population, always will be manipulated by clowns -- or scholars. Money based on anything that requires human effort to produce (and which is not manipulated by clowns and scholars in accordance with a formula of their liking) automatically keeps pace with the size of the population. It requires no management by authority. It happens because, when prices start to rise, the value of money increases and, as the value of money increases, free men will turn to the production of whatever it is that people have chosen to accept as money. As that happens, the supply of money increases also, and its value drops back to that equilibrium point where it was in the beginning. That's the nature of supply-and-demand, and it is why monetary systems based on gold or silver historically have had incredibly stable purchasing power over hundreds of years, even during periods of increasing population. Inflation, the great destroyer of prosperous nations, is impossible when money is based on its own measurable composition, such as weight and purity, and is not burdened by any other formula.

    Hard-wired is a great goal, but achievable only in the sense of establishing a definition for the nation's unit of monetary value; in other words, to set its weight and measure. Gold and silver once were hard wired into the Constitution -- until clowns and scholars cut the wires. The only way to prevent clowns and scholars from destroying a nation's money is, not to decide which of them will be given power to write (and alter) the formulas that determine the money supply, but to deny such power to all of them.

    Constitutional weights and measures (pounds, inches, dollars, etc.) serve no beneficial purpose if they are constantly adjusted to accommodate expanding populations or agricultural seasons or employment quotas or economic cycles. Their function is to establish a reliable standard that is constant through all such changes. Once a monetary standard is set (for example, $1 = 1 oz of .999 silver), then we should step back, get our intellectual egos out of the way, and just let the miracle of a free market happen. Three-hundred and twelve-million people, each making scores of decisions every day, interactively effecting supply and demand for all goods and services, will produce a far more equitable and beneficial outcome than any committee of wise men -- or crooks posing as wise men -- ever could. That's not only the simplest formula but, in my view, it's the only one that will work.


    --G. Edward Griffin
    http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

  32. #148
    Here is an amazing graphical representation of derivative exposure of 9 biggest banks. Only fiat fraud makes this possible.

    Click to see:


    Be carefull, however, the article speaks of the dangers of "unregulated" markets. The only regulations you truly need are those imposed by Free Markets,-- the most stringent regulations,-- and MUCH stricter than bought out government regulators who actually allow the fraud. The regulations of Free Market are bankruptcy, and fraud prosecution. These are the only regulations one needs if justice is to prevail!

    Note, that these astronomical derivatives do NOT become weapons of mass financial destruction unless a government bailout takes place. Then this mountain of debt is transferred upon the shoulders of everybody else via inflation. But if no bailout is allowed, then the offending bank goes bankrupt; its good assets are transferred to other banks, and devastation is localized only to the offending party. That's the way Free Market works, and its regulations are MUCH stricter then those of government regulators who actually allow fraud!

    Also take a look at the cost of war, also made possible by fiat money!

    http://demonocracy.info/infographics...st_of_war.html

    (Fiat = war) is the formula first derived by Rothschilds. It is a true one. None of the world wars would have been possible without fiat money fraud!

    Thus Free Competition in Currencies, which necessarily kills fiat (which cannot exist without a government forced monopoly), ends most wars as well as welfare state, and brings to forefront Sound, 100% commodity based currency, which is the most stable, and the most honest monetary system known to man.

    http://demonocracy.info/infographics...t/us_debt.html
    http://demonocracy.info/infographics/eu/debt_greek/debt_greek.html
    http://demonocracy.info/infographics...orld_debt.html
    "Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave
    them the power to create money and control credit, and
    with a flick of a pen they will create enough to buy it back."
    -Sir Josiah Stamp, former President, Bank of England

    Thus, Free Competition in Currencies
    is a great protector of Liberty!
    Last edited by Foundation_Of_Liberty; 04-21-2012 at 09:39 AM.

  33. #149
    Ron Paul vs. Paul Krugman on Bloomberg TV



    The debate! Ron Paul says inflation is THEFT! Krugman says theft is good! Ata boy! His name should have been Crookman!

  34. #150
    The illustrated history of you being robbed by the Fed




    The thing to notice is the difference between productivity and wages as the money supply increases more rapidly.


    Solution:
    Free Competition in Currencies. It kills fiat, a.k.a. legalized counterfeiting, (which cannot exist without a government granted monopoly, and coercion), and brings forward a sound, 100% commodity based currency, like gold and silver, etc., as the PREFERENCE, of a truly Free Market.
    Last edited by Foundation_Of_Liberty; 05-03-2012 at 12:41 PM.

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