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    Question Social-Cons are scared to DEATH of Muslims. Why?

    Why are the social cons scared to death of Muslims?


    The argument typically goes like this...

    "Well the Muslims are going to come in here and take over once they get enough people to vote themselves into office and then they'll institute Sharia Law and turn us into a Muslim nation... just look at the problems France and other European countries are having"


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    Their talking heads on the radio and TV fearmonger until it seeps into their skulls.
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    Multiculturalism (forced immigration) and democracy is not a good combination... it never ends well. One group will use the government guns against the other and vise versa.

    As for Sharia Law coming to America; people need to worry about Marshal Law first.

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    Oh Brother Matt... why you do this?
    Simple.


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    Social NeoCons are also afraid of Freedom.

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    Anyone who claim to have the "word of God" written down is a God damned liar and very dangerous.
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    Social conservatives are afraid of anyone who might upstage them in the game of "who can be the most repressive, backwards people on the planet?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humanae Libertas View Post
    Social NeoCons are also afraid of Freedom.
    Alright , out of curiousity , how would you define a social neo con ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Why are the social cons scared to death of Muslims?


    The argument typically goes like this...

    "Well the Muslims are going to come in here and take over once they get enough people to vote themselves into office and then they'll institute Sharia Law and turn us into a Muslim nation... just look at the problems France and other European countries are having"


    Thoughts? Ideas?
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    Politics of fear need their boogie men, dear. That can be commies or Jews or Mexicans or Muslims or who knows who too. What really matters, in all of their pratters, is that the badmen are nothing like you. So stay in your houses, lock up the kids and spouses, and let nobody in. Unless he says he's Republican. Now go to your churches and learn all your verses- so you can be righteous too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by awake View Post
    Multiculturalism (forced immigration) and democracy is not a good combination... it never ends well. One group will use the government guns against the other and vise versa.

    As for Sharia Law coming to America; people need to worry about Marshal Law first.
    You are correct Marshal law or sharia law are going to be unpopular now matter how you slice it , but the former could more easily happen.

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    A fair share of Muslims unfortunately live in the 6th century. I'm not a social con but I can clearly comprehend the distaste. Running around crying "jihad", covering up your women from head to toe and killing homosexuals in broad daylight, isn't exactly going to win one respect points in the realm of western civilization strata. Let's be serious here. Is the venom directed towards Islam over the top? Absolutely. Is this distaste unfounded? Of course not.
    Last edited by AuH20; 08-25-2010 at 08:16 PM.

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    I thought I cleared this up last month.

    Marshall Law


    Martial Law


    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    killing homosexuals in clear daylight, isn't exactly going to win one respect points in the realm of western civilization strata.
    How about under cover of darkness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    A fair share of Muslims unfortunately live in the 6th century. I'm not a social con but I can clearly comprehend the distaste. Running around crying "jihad", covering up your women from head to toe and killing homosexuals in broad daylight, isn't exactly going to win one respect points in the realm of western civilization strata. Let's be serious here. Is the venom directed towards Islam over the top? Absolutely. Is this distaste unfounded? Of course not.
    Sadly , this does seem to apply to the Saudi and Iranian leadership. Any citizen anywhere should be wary of them. That said , there are plenty of other places ( most ) that this is not true . Education is the only way out of anything . Maybe someone should expand on all the other countries that are not like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Sadly , this does seem to apply to the Saudi and Iranian leadership. Any citizen anywhere should be wary of them. That said , there are plenty of other places ( most ) that this is not true . Education is the only way out of anything . Maybe someone should expand on all the other countries that are not like that.
    Ibaghdadi can give some examples if he has time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oyarde View Post
    Sadly , this does seem to apply to the Saudi and Iranian leadership. Any citizen anywhere should be wary of them. That said , there are plenty of other places ( most ) that this is not true . Education is the only way out of anything . Maybe someone should expand on all the other countries that are not like that.
    Another problem is lack of concern from Muslims who aren't of that stripe. They are relatively silent about such matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AuH20 View Post
    Another problem is lack of concern from Muslims who aren't of that stripe. They are relatively silent about such matters.
    They are not. Or ever have been. This is a meaningless statement.
    Anyways, the moslems who are in the US are hardly a sample from those cultures. They tend to be highly educated and have a very low crime rate or divorce rate etc..

    So this is not about a fear of people who come with "those traditions". It is as Ron Paul put simply an irrational fear. A phobia. It's bigotry.

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    Responding to the original question in this thread, it's good to note that often hysteria has a nugget of truth in it. After all, it's not just US socons who are worried about Muslim assimilation, the FRENCH are passing every law they can think of short of driving every Muslim out of the country. While we can debate methodology and attitudes, there's sufficient evidence to suggest that a Muslim voter base would try to institute their own way of doing things much like liberals, socons (and yes!) libertarians would if they had the votes to do so. In fact, historically that is exactly what happened (when votes were soldiers, of course!), what the Qur'an can reasonably be assumed to teach (Qur’an:8:39 is a juicy nugget) and what Muslim leaders are calling for today. In fact, trying to ignore such evidence can be considered just as crazy in my book!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abe View Post
    Seriously... Sharia law, come on, only two nations in the world have complete Sharia law.
    That is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abe View Post
    Seriously... Sharia law, come on, only two nations in the world have complete Sharia law.
    Although , Somalia will be half way there any day .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Collins View Post
    Thoughts? Ideas?
    It has now been established that the reason is: they are all closetted homosexuals and since they know muslim societies are not friendly to homosexuals it means they must eradicate the muslims.

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    I certainly am not on board with the neo-con social interventionists.


    But I think any student of history needs to look at the foundations of law and culture in societies. It was Murray Rothbard who said it was Christianity (since the time of the Reformation) that put emphasis on the individual as opposed to the State. I think there is something about the foundations of Muslim theology and jurisprudence that is fundamentally against the concept of individual liberty and equal rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-points-of-fright View Post

    Marshall Law


    Martial Law
    lol! Awesome.

    Do you have one of those for "Loser" vs. "Looser"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AquaBuddha2010 View Post
    I certainly am not on board with the neo-con social interventionists.


    But I think any student of history needs to look at the foundations of law and culture in societies. It was Murray Rothbard who said it was Christianity (since the time of the Reformation) that put emphasis on the individual as opposed to the State. I think there is something about the foundations of Muslim theology and jurisprudence that is fundamentally against the concept of individual liberty and equal rights.
    Not really. Religion is up to the interpretation of the individual. Any reformer can take the same text and argue the exact same point in favor of liberty. This is exactly what the enlightenment period was--reformation of Christianity.

    In fact if anything, Islam was the most liberal ideology of its time. It was the reformation of the Arabian society in the 7th century, making it one of the world's most liberal, tolerant, productive and scientific of all ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyVox View Post
    Not really. Religion is up to the interpretation of the individual. Any reformer can take the same text and argue the exact same point in favor of liberty. This is exactly what the enlightenment period was--reformation of Christianity.

    In fact if anything, Islam was the most liberal ideology of its time. It was the reformation of the Arabian society in the 7th century, making it one of the world's most liberal, tolerant, productive and scientific of all ages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jace View Post
    And the Aztecs built wonderful pyramids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specsaregood View Post
    It has now been established that the reason is: they are all closetted homosexuals and since they know muslim societies are not friendly to homosexuals it means they must eradicate the muslims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyVox View Post
    Not really. Religion is up to the interpretation of the individual. Any reformer can take the same text and argue the exact same point in favor of liberty. This is exactly what the enlightenment period was--reformation of Christianity.

    In fact if anything, Islam was the most liberal ideology of its time. It was the reformation of the Arabian society in the 7th century, making it one of the world's most liberal, tolerant, productive and scientific of all ages.

    Yeah. I know man. I've heard all the propaganda too. I understand why they say what they say about the "glorious" past of Islam.



    But let's look at reality. In Muslim courts, a woman's testimony carries 1/4 of a man's testimony. That is reality bro.



    All I'm saying is that different social foundations provide different views of Liberty....some produce only tyranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyVox View Post
    Not really. Religion is up to the interpretation of the individual. Any reformer can take the same text and argue the exact same point in favor of liberty. This is exactly what the enlightenment period was--reformation of Christianity. In fact if anything, Islam was the most liberal ideology of its time. It was the reformation of the Arabian society in the 7th century, making it one of the world's most liberal, tolerant, productive and scientific of all ages.
    The vast majority of today's Islamic leaders are not "liberal" in any sense of the word.

    Islamic ideology as practiced is for the most part based on conservative religious beliefs that are diametrically opposed to liberalism/libertarianism. While I think opposing beliefs can be tolerated in civil society, statist and anti-libertarian actions or institutions should not be supported by libertarians.

    While it's true there are some *rare* quasi-liberal strands of Islamic thought, these are very small minority views in today's Islam and far from mainstream Islam.

    Therefore I don't see how a libertarian can support or condone those actions of conservative Islamic activists, any more than those of socialists or Marxists.

    What bothers me about this whole debate is what's not being said...

    Why is Obama and the government chiming in on this?

    Is this government property? If so, why is any religious institution being built there.

    If not government property -- why won't Obama shut up and let the property owners and/or local community decide? If the property owners want to have a mosque there, despite local protests, then that's their right. If they don't want to have it there, that's their right too.

    In my community there are restrictions on mosques, in the sense that the Islamic call to prayer has limits and they must adhere to all other property restrictions (same as churches and businesses) etc.

    What the heck does Ron Paul or Obama have to do with it?
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    What's ironic about these religious kook Christians in the US is that they actually believe in a book which promotes something very similar to Sharia law. If these mindless cattle really want old testament rule of law, they should get their asses over to Saudi Arabia.

    You know what? I say we bring on the old testament rule of law. I'll be the first in line to chop off the head of one of these backward redneck $#@!s the second they break sky man's ridiculous rules.

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