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    Repealing ObamaCare

    The repeal or nullification of ObamaCare is essential if the United States is to survive as a constitutional republic with a federal government of limited powers. By William F. Jasper

    Repealing ObamaCare


    William F. Jasper | The New American
    Friday, 06 August 2010


    Repealing ObamaCare is not an option — it is absolutely essential. It is absolutely essential, that is, if the United States of America is to survive as a constitutional republic with a federal government of limited powers. Repealing ObamaCare is also absolutely necessary if we hope to avoid national economic collapse.

    To those who may think such statements are overblown, we strongly advise that they read, in particular, Thomas R. Eddlem’s “Outcome of ObamaCare” as well as Michael Tennant’s “The New World of ObamaCare.” As these articles amply demonstrate, the mammoth “health care reform” bill that was rammed through Congress last March and signed by President Obama is jam-packed with dangerous language that will provide federal bureaucrats with vast new powers that are compatible with totalitarian systems of government, but not with the American tradition of liberty.

    ObamaCare, known officially as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, is one of the most revolutionary legislative proposals ever to be enacted in this country. Much of the opposition to it has centered on the horrendous economic costs the gargantuan new program will impose on our already bankrupt federal government. That, of course, is a major, and very legitimate, concern. However, there are other aspects of ObamaCare that are equally important to, if not more important than, its financial impact.

    This is one of the most far-reaching legislative efforts ever passed by Congress. It is far more than “mere” nationalized, socialized medicine. It will, if allowed to stand, inaugurate social engineering by “experts” on a scale heretofore unimagined … except in the dreams of apostles of the total state. Did the American people demand healthcare “reform” that mandates federally imposed “lifestyle behavior modification” with regard to “proper nutrition,” “appropriate exercise,” “mental health,” and “behavioral health”? Did we envision the invasion of our homes and family privacy to implement “domestic violence screenings,” “childhood home visitation,” and “improvements in parenting skills”? How will ObamaCare’s provisions on abortion, sex education, vaccinations, rationing, and database monitoring play out — if we fail to repeal it?

    Analysts for pro-life organizations have charged that the abortion provisions of ObamaCare represent the largest expansion of abortion since Roe v. Wade. Other sections of the legislation are sure to prove equally far-reaching.

    Multi-pronged Plan of Action

    Some of the erstwhile opponents of ObamaCare have assumed the defeatist position that attempts to repeal it are hopeless. Adopting the “resistance is futile” stance, they point to the fact that the radical Obama-Reid-Pelosi forces control the White House and both houses of Congress. Nevertheless, ObamaCare is not an irreversible fait accompli; no legislation ever is, as long as dedicated patriots are willing to fight to repeal it.

    The question then arises as to the best manner of “undoing” ObamaCare. A wide array of responses — at both the state and federal levels — is being proffered as solutions. No sooner had President Obama signed his namesake legislation than Members of Congress were introducing bills to repeal it. The problem is many of these proposals are Republican “repeal and replace” bills to simply substitute less onerous and intrusive “ObamaCare Lite” versions that are also unconstitutional and unacceptable. Top GOP spokesmen (House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, Rep. Charles Boustany, and former Wisconsin Governor and former Bush administration Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson) have said they agree with 80 percent of ObamaCare!

    Replacing ObamaCare with a slightly lighter version acceptable to these Republicans would not be a victory. However, among the confusing profusion of bills are a few well-crafted and viable options that should be supported.

    In another approach to undoing Obama-Care, a number of state Attorneys General have launched lawsuits challenging the law in federal court on grounds that it trespasses on the rights of the states. Similarly, several state legislatures, responding to grass-roots efforts, are using a “nullification” strategy to challenge the law on constitutional grounds. Each of these approaches has its merits.

    Congressional Repeal: The “cleanest” and most efficient means of repealing ObamaCare is through passage of legislation in both the House and Senate to do just that. Obviously, that will be close to impossible with the current makeup of Congress, and even if that were to occur, President Obama would veto it. Nevertheless, the Democrats are likely to lose a sizeable number of congressional seats in the November elections and the ObamaCare vote will play a significant role in the turnover. In addition to expanding that turnover, forcing another key vote on ObamaCare can also send a strong message to help build momentum for repeal in the next Congress.

    H.R. 4972, introduced by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), currently offers the most viable, acceptable option for repeal of ObamaCare. At a mere 40 words, it is magnificently simple and straightforward. It states:


    Effective as of the enactment of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, such Act is repealed, and the provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted.


    As of the first week of July, H.R. 4972 had 100 cosponsors. As was to be expected, the Democratic leadership of the House is trying to keep the bill bottled up in committee so that they will not have to vote on it and face the consequences from voters in the fall. To circumvent this obstacle, Rep. King has launched a discharge petition effort. By July 14 he had garnered signatures from 130 House members. He needs a total of 218 signatures to force H.R. 4972 out to the House floor for a vote. You can check on the Internet here to see if your Representative has signed the discharge petition. Write, call, fax, and/or e-mail your Representative, asking him to sign the petition (or extending thanks if he has already done so) as well as urging him to sign on as a cosponsor to H.R. 4972.

    Although we offered caveats above concerning Republican “repeal and replace” bills, there is at least one bill in that category that constitutionalists should have no problem supporting: Rep. Ron Paul’s H.R. 5444, “The Private Option Health Care Reform Act.”

    In addition to repealing ObamaCare, H.R. 5444 injects a number of genuine, much-needed free-market-oriented reforms into the equation. Some of the features of this seven-page bill are:

    • Refundable Credit for Health Care Costs

    • Strengthening Health Savings -Accounts

    • Repeal of the 7.5 Percent Threshold on Deduction for Medical Expenses

    • Purchase of Health Insurance Across State Lines

    • Facilitation of Importation of Drugs Approved by the FDA

    In addition to being a respected physician, Dr. Ron Paul is widely recognized as the leading constitutionalist in Congress. As such, he understands that more government is not the proper prescription for what ails our healthcare system; indeed, it is government taxes, intervention, and regulation that are at the root of our exploding healthcare costs.

    State Nullification:

    One of the most important and encouraging developments in recent times is the reassertion by the states of their sovereign powers against federal usurpation. The Framers of our Constitution well understood the tendencies of government toward encroachment and did not intend that the states should be helpless before an inexorable, centralizing national government. The states have the right (and duty) to resist unconstitutional arrogations by Washington of powers constitutionally reserved to the states. A principal form of resistance in this regard is for the state government simply to declare the offending federal law, regulation, or edict null and void and to refuse to enforce or implement it.

    This is what happened with regard to the REAL ID Act that was passed by a Republican Congress and signed into law in 2005 by then-President George W. Bush. More than two dozen states passed laws or resolutions denouncing the act or refusing to comply with it. As a result, the federal government has been forced to retreat on this unconstitutional grab for power.

    Similarly, nearly 25 states have introduced some version of the Firearms Freedom Act (FFA) to nullify federal firearms laws within their state for guns manufactured, sold, and used in that state. Seven states have already enacted FFAs: Montana, Tennessee, Utah, Wyoming, South Dakota, Arizona, and Idaho.

    Constitutionalists are now using the same strategy to block ObamaCare through state nullification. A “Model Resolution for a State Legislature to Nullify the Federal Health Care Bills of 2010” is circulating in the states and can be accessed from the website of The John Birch Society.

    State Lawsuits:

    The Attorneys General of 18 states have joined together in a lawsuit which charges that provisions of ObamaCare violate the U.S. Constitution and rights of states by forcing massive new spending on hard-pressed state governments. The lawsuit has served to awaken in many Americans (and many state politicians) the realization that the federal government does not have carte blanche to enact whatever may be the current whim of the powers-that-be in Washington. However, the judicial process is painfully long, slow, and costly. By the time a decision is rendered — even if it should go in favor of the states — ObamaCare would likely be a firmly established fact. The primary defect of the state challenge in the federal courts is that it begins with the false premise that a branch of the federal government — the courts — should have the final say on disputes involving federal usurpation of states’ rights.

    Take Action

    As far as citizen activism goes, there is little that one can do to affect the outcome of the judicial process; lawyers and judges will determine the outcome of the lawsuit. However, regarding congressional repeal and state nullification efforts, individual citizens can have a tremendous impact. As town-hall meetings, Tea Parties, and opinion polls have strongly demonstrated, most Americans are opposed to ObamaCare, and most members of Congress are well aware that they burned up a tremendous amount of political capital to steamroll the legislation through. Many of them are now vulnerable. The repeal and nullification efforts, besides being aimed directly at undoing ObamaCare, also serve to exact a continuing political price by reminding voters that politicians are responsible for this enormous, costly, unconstitutional, unpopular power grab.

    Here’s what you can do:

    • Urge your Representative to support Rep. King’s H.R. 4972 to repeal Obama-Care and to support his discharge petition

    • Urge your Representative to support Rep. Paul’s H.R. 5444, “The Private Option Health Care Reform Act.”

    • Urge your state legislators to introduce, and your Governor to support, state legislation (see model legislation mentioned above) to nullify ObamaCare.

    • Ask all candidates for the House and Senate, as well as for your state legislative and gubernatorial races, to commit themselves to a public stand in favor of repealing or nullifying ObamaCare.

    Go to the website of The John Birch Society for tools and an action program to stop ObamaCare.


    Related articles:

    The New World of ObamaCare

    Charting the Murky Waters of ObamaCare

    Outcome of ObamaCare


    SOURCE:
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....ling-obamacare
    Last edited by FrankRep; 08-06-2010 at 01:01 AM.
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    you can't repeal it until 2013; but you can just not fund it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cindy25 View Post
    you can't repeal it until 2013; but you can just not fund it.
    That's one front.

    We also have State Nullification.


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    It's a "law" that comes from the United States.

    United States = government.

    A limited government, one with very limited jurisdiction.

    This "law" applies only to United States citizens.

    United States = government.

    United States citizens = government citizens, subject class, surfs.

    So how is it that you keep thinking this stuff applies to you? Did you grant them jurisdiction somehow? Do you file United States papers swearing they are true? Are those papers only to be signed by "United States persons" ?

    Do you have a clue yet?

    Why does health care come under the "interstate clause" - and why do you come under that? EVER ASK THAT QUESTION?

    Are you interstate commerce?

    No? Don't feel like it?

    But all United States subjects / citizens / persons are in interstate commerce, because they are considered legally as a commercial entity - a human resource (via lawyer tricks).

    Feel like a human resource?

    Clues are everywhere.

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    Why repeal it? It helps our movement.
    "..and on Earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out...while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited Earth." -- Jesus of Nazareth

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    Quote Originally Posted by YumYum View Post
    Why repeal it? It helps our movement.
    I don't agree with playing those type of political games. The general population is looking for solid leadership to fight ObamaCare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    I don't agree with playing those type of political games. The general population is looking for solid leadership to fight ObamaCare.
    Is that why they are turning to people like Palin, Romney and Gingrich?
    "..and on Earth anguish of nations, not knowing the way out...while men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited Earth." -- Jesus of Nazareth

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    Quote Originally Posted by YumYum View Post
    Is that why they are turning to people like Palin, Romney and Gingrich?
    I don't understand your question.

    In either case, many people are looking for leadership to fight this stuff and many false leaders like Gingrich will step up and try to take control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YumYum View Post
    Why repeal it? It helps our movement.
    It simultaneously helps others who are just waiting for the pendulum to swing the other way. They have bigger name recognition. Gingrich, Palin, and any number of others will pop up like Whack-a-Moles saying "I told ya so! You betcha!" and the Republicans will field someone who will vow to "make things right," and a large number of people will fall for it. That person will also have, of course, charisma, and catchy one-liners, and all that good happy jargon. There will be more red state/blue state (ra-ra-rah) and lots of charts showing how your demographic voted, and how you should vote, and you're not a racist... ARE you? (Which could only be trumped by "You're not a sexist... ARE you?" because that one will divide just about every household nicely, and that's what's best).

    In other words, that aspect of it is a wash.

    * * *

    The part that isn't a wash is that this will dig in and destroy a lot of what's still fairly good in this country. If its claws are removed, new ones will be rammed in to replace them, because the precedent was set and the people didn't fight.

    There has to be noise about this. Lots, and lots, of noise... but most people have already forgotten. So darned much has happened in pop culture, and even in the news, since the Healthcare bill. Did it even pass? What was in it? Oh it doesn't really do much until 2013 or something? Pshhh! We'll all be dead by then or living in giant arks! I saw it on a movie....
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankRep View Post
    • Purchase of Health Insurance Across State Lines

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    One of the most important and encouraging developments in recent times is the reassertion by the states of their sovereign powers against federal usurpation.
    How ironic. Calls for a federal law that prevents state governments from enforcing state laws on products sold within the state's borders, juxtaposed with praise for the "reassertion by the states of their sovereign powers against federal usurpation." Those don't jibe particularly well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    How ironic. Calls for a federal law that prevents state governments from enforcing state laws on products sold within the state's borders, juxtaposed with praise for the "reassertion by the states of their sovereign powers against federal usurpation." Those don't jibe particularly well.
    "Calls for a federal law that prevents state governments from enforcing state laws"

    That's a lie.
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    I'm afraid not. Why can't health insurance policies be sold across state lines? Because state laws require insurance products to be licensed in their state and to conform to state consumer protection laws regarding those products. States are perfectly free to allow insurance policies issued in other states to be sold with their borders. A few states have even considered state legislation to do exactly that (e.g. Colorado, Pennsylvania, and Vermont), although Rhode Island is the only state that has actually passed any legislation moving them in that direction.

    Calling for the sort of "across state lines" insurance sales that H.R. 5444 (and Shadegg's H.R. 3217 before it) proposes is a federal usurpation of state law. It overturns state licensing and state consumer protection laws regarding health insurance policies. It's a federal law that forces states to allow policies to operate within their state borders without being subject to that state's laws. There's no two ways about it.

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    I would like the see the republicans rise up and repeal the Patriot Act. I highly doubt they well, since they be to busy jerking off to more Terror propaganda to pass more Anti-terror, Anti-freedom,Anti-liberty, unconstitutional laws.



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    As a woman Melissa, it is your job to help us figure out how to keep all of those thousands of social conservatives in Iowa from delivering Iowa to Sarah Palin as they did to Huckabee last time. It looks ominously as if Dr. Paul loses Iowa, he will lose everything!

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    Quote Originally Posted by randolphfuller View Post
    As a woman Melissa, it is your job to help us figure out how to keep all of those thousands of social conservatives in Iowa from delivering Iowa to Sarah Palin as they did to Huckabee last time. It looks ominously as if Dr. Paul loses Iowa, he will lose everything!
    Nice derail. I'm as responsible for Socially Conservative women who'd fall for Sarah Palin as you are responsible for those who voted for Obama based on his perceived race. You go gather them, and I'll go gather the Palinites... but I don't think they're going to like me much.
    Genuine, willful, aggressive ignorance is the one sure way to tick me off. I wish I could say you were trolling. I know better, and it's just sad.

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    The issue currently is that each party gets to make the excuse of "well it would have worked if the other party didn't come in after 2-4 years and repeal it...

    its a back and forth and has been for many years on a number of bills.

    I keep going back and forth with this one,

    I say collapse the damn thing so they will realize IT DOESN'T WORK

    we can't spend forever.

    I think it comes to point of, there are plenty of sheep out there however until they learn an actual lesson, as in it actually affecting them, I don't see them waking up anytime soon.


    economy collapse
    social collapse

    rebuild our republic to what it was,

    now that is personal thoughts however we can however turn this thing around without needing all of the above however it will take a STRONG solid front of removal of ALL mass government spending on all local,state federal levels which won't happen.

    why complain about ONE expense when we have a HUGE spending issue with our military, free aid and a million other things. If we took all our troops home, stopped buying weapons, giving free aid and everything else we would have enough in our budget to actually be in the black. Imagine that.
    Support Marijuana Legalization WORLDWIDE

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    Neither party is going to repeal Obamacare. Slightly modify to pacify the the sheep...likely...repeal...no way.
    The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive power of King George. I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist oppressive state power. The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility, and out of self interest -- for himself, his family, and the future of his country -- to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state.

    Congressman Ron Paul 5/22/07

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    Can a republican congress defund obamacare without barry vetoing it?
    and if barry vetoes the budget over and over, would that in fact, also keep obamacare from getting funded.
    if congress holds the purse strings, congress can stop the bleeding?
    rewritten history with armies of their crooks - invented memories, did burn all the books... Mark Knopfler



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