Nullification Constitutional Amendment

[fisharmor]

Uh..... srsly? An aircraft carrier?
Someone's preemptively trying to sink the idea, I guess? (No pun intended...)

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Virginia legislature overwhelmingly nullifies the NDAA indefinite-detention law recently passed by Congress. Seven other states are considering similar legislation. The bill is opposed by the Governor, but the legislature could override his veto.
TAC 2012 Feb 28 (Cached)

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

How the US uses sexual humiliation as a political tool to control the masses

I think the individual States must pass legislation NULLIFYING this Federal ruling, and asserting the dignity of the individual!

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Arizona's legislature passed a bill rejecting cooperation with the federal government to carry out indefinite detention of Americans under the NDAA bill, and it is awaiting a decision from Governor Jan Brewer. Virginia already passed a similar law as have a growing number of cities and counties. [We are not fans of the ACLU, which is proposing model legislation for this move, but we wholeheartedly approve of their action in this case.]
ACLU 2012 Apr 27 (Cached)

From http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

US District Court judge rules that a man who handed information to jurors regarding 'jury nullification' (the right of jurors to judge, not just the lawbreaker, but the law that was broken) was entitled to do so. [The government argued that this was an attempt to influence a juror's decision; but the court ruled (correctly) that, because the information did not relate to any specific case, it was merely educational in effect and entirely legal. Hurray for this judge!] NaturalNews 2012 May 8 (Cached)


From http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

[Sam I am]

The right of the juries, as the representatives of the people, to nullify any unjust, unconstitutional, or inapplicable law in the case before them, shall not be abridged.

I'd be lying if i said that this is the most anti-rule-of-law notion that I've ever seen on this board, but it's up there.


It pretty much says that It doesn't matter what the law is, the jury can rule however it pleases. Laws would no longer have the force of law.

[Sam I am]

It was always there as a natural unalienable right of the people. Like the first amendment does not grant, but simply acknowledges and protects a preexisting natural right of the freedom of speech, so is this amendment. It does not grant anything; it simply reminds the people of the power they always had! Thus this amendment protects this preexisting unalienable right of the people.

Things like "Might equals right" are natural laws.

All of the good laws, all of the "rights" outlined in the constitution are artificial laws.

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

I'd be lying if i said that this is the most anti-rule-of-law notion that I've ever seen on this board, but it's up there.

It pretty much says that It doesn't matter what the law is, the jury can rule however it pleases. Laws would no longer have the force of law.

The only laws that have moral authority are the laws of justice. Any other laws created by legislators, that violate the principles of justice are immoral. Therefore juries are designed as a check against usurping legislators who pass wicked laws. It makes perfect sense.

[Foundation_Of_Liberty]

Things like "Might equals right" are natural laws.

All of the good laws, all of the "rights" outlined in the constitution are artificial laws.

Justice exists independent of temporary "might." The laws of justice are absolute and eternal, like the laws of arithmetic or mechanics, etc. This is why I call them Natural Laws, because they exist and operate REGARDLESS of your opinion of them, just like the law of gravity, for instance.

Your ignorance of the law of gravity, or your dislike of it, will not prevent you from falling once you step off the cliff. So are the laws of Justice. They are eternal and unalterable. Justice ALWAYS fulfills its course, REGARDLESS of your opinion of it. Therefore, Justice is the ULTIMATE MIGHT. So I guess we agree.

As for the Constitution: inasmuch as its laws violate the eternal Laws of Justice, they are artificial and, in fact, immoral. But whatever law in the Constitution is in harmony with principles of Justice, it is Natural, as justice itself.

Thus, JUST laws are Natural; and unjust laws are artificial, and have no moral force whatsoever.

Thanks for your comment.

[Sam I am]

Justice exists independent of temporary "might." The laws of justice are absolute and eternal, like the laws of arithmetic or mechanics, etc. This is why I call them Natural Laws, because they exist and operate REGARDLESS of your opinion of them, just like the law of gravity, for instance.

Your ignorance of the law of gravity, or your dislike of it, will not prevent you from falling once you step off the cliff. So are the laws of Justice. They are eternal and unalterable. Justice ALWAYS fulfills its course, REGARDLESS of your opinion of it. Therefore, Justice is the ULTIMATE MIGHT. So I guess we agree.

As for the Constitution: inasmuch as its laws violate the eternal Laws of Justice, they are artificial and, in fact, immoral. But whatever law in the Constitution is in harmony with principles of Justice, it is Natural, as justice itself.

Thus, JUST laws are Natural; and unjust laws are artificial, and have no moral force whatsoever.

Thanks for your comment.

Law of gravity is also a natural law
Newton's three laws of motion are natural laws.

Moral laws are artificial laws. "Justice" is an artificial law. You seem to confuse the concepts of "natural" and "good" Nature knows no good or evil. It knows no morals or justice. It just is.

Justice ALWAYS fulfills its course, REGARDLESS of your opinion of it.

I applaud your optimism, but I think you should go read some of AntiFederalist's threads. regarding that issue.