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    Exclamation Let's straighten out this Jones Act thing

    From LRC Blog:

    According to news reports, corporations from more than a dozen different countries with extensive experience and technological know-how regarding the clean-up of oil spills have offered to help but have been told to get lost by the Obammunists. The reason is a 1920 protectionist piece of legislation called ‘The Jones Act,” which requires shipping to be built by American (i.e., unionized) workers and staffed by American sailors. So as not to ruffle the delicate feathers of unionized dock workers and other protectionist parasites in an election year, the Obammunists have refused all of their help.
    I'm not sure what information is flying around, but here's the low down.

    At the well site, working to contain the spill, every large vessel there is a foreign flag vessel with mixed crews.

    The Transocean vessels on scene: Discovery Enterprise, DDII and DDIII all are flagged out of Vanuatu or Majuro.

    The Deepwater Horizon itself was also foreign flagged, out of Majuro.

    The IMR vessels running the ROVs, the Skandi Neptune, the Rem Forza, the Viking Poseidon, the HOS Iron Horse, just to name a few, are all foreign flagged, Norwegian mostly, with US, Filipino, European and Canadian crews.

    They are called "flags of convenience" in that the inspections, manning and regulation of the nations is lax, compared to say, the US.

    The only US flagged vessels are the supply vessels and tugs and barges that the collected oil is being pumped to, along with damn near every MSRC and NRC vessel in the country.

    And I've yet to see one US unionized marine company on scene, (with the possible exception of Moran - I think their southern operations are non unionized) outside of the foreign vessels, which, at least for the Norwegians, is unionized.

    Seems a piss poor idea to me to turn over even more of our decision making processes and responses to even more foreigners, seeing as how it was a foreign owned drilling company that owned the foreign flagged drillship that followed the instructions of a foreign company's representative to move forward in an unsafe condition that caused all this mess.

    Cue the screeches and wailings of the "free traders" in 3...2...1...
    Last edited by Anti Federalist; 06-17-2010 at 12:12 PM.
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    Two different right wing radio hosts that I listen to have brought up the Jones Act.

    I swear these guys all get their talking points from the same place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elwar View Post
    Two different right wing radio hosts that I listen to have brought up the Jones Act.

    I swear these guys all get their talking points from the same place.
    I don't know what they are basing it on...
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    The Jones Act has been suspended several times. gwBush suspended it for something - I can't remember what , and I don't have time to Google it right now.

    So even if you want to stretch and say that cleaning up oil is the same thing as transporting oil, the precedent to temporarily remove the restrictions is certainly there.

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    From the WSJ, on this same talking point:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...p_mostpop_read

    Again, there are even more foreign flagged vessels on scene now than when I wrote this weeks ago, including now three foreign FPSO vessels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatc View Post
    The Jones Act has been suspended several times. gwBush suspended it for something - I can't remember what , and I don't have time to Google it right now.

    So even if you want to stretch and say that cleaning up oil is the same thing as transporting oil, the precedent to temporarily remove the restrictions is certainly there.
    He suspended it for 18 days post Katrina. But he still didn't allow the Cubans to help strictly for political reasons even though there were people stranded on a peer that could be rescued. And FEMA under Bush diverted rescue workers to Atlanta for "sensitivity training" while people were dying. In both of these disasters the government has gotten in the way more than it has helped. I don't know about the Jones act. I do know the EPA has been delaying things over "environmental impact studies" that shouldn't require it. (Sand berms that could have stopped some of the oil reaching shore. Also Kenaf, a natural substance that could help clean up and compost the oil).
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    Not the "Jones Act" Jones Act, but a domestic Jones Act:




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