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    Default Confirmed: US citizen among those killed in Gaza flotilla raid

    Just read it now on Washington Post:

    JERUSALEM -- An American citizen of Turkish origin was among the nine people killed in a botched Israeli effort to stop a Turkish aid ship from reaching the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip, a Turkish official said on Thursday.

    The nine bodies were flown home from Israel to Turkey on Wednesday, along with hundreds of activists, aboard a Turkish plane. Israel was not able to identify the bodies because the dead had no identification on them, Israeli officials said.

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    Any news yet on the USS Liberty survivor on board the flotilla?



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    Biden is right, a big test for Obama has just unfolded.

    BTW, who was President when another US citizen Rachel Corrie was bulldozed to death alive by Israelis?

    Inaction only encourages bad behavior it seems.

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    Expect no response from the US other than fake regret.
    Remember when they ran over a female US citizen with a bull dozer a few years back while they were destroying Palestinian housing? I don't think we even gave them a reprimand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razmear View Post
    Expect no response from the US other than fake regret.
    Remember when they ran over a female US citizen with a bull dozer a few years back while they were destroying Palestinian housing? I don't think we even gave them a reprimand.

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    The crazed socialist walked in front of a bulldozer and expected it to stop. Suicide by bulldozer---her decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post
    The crazed socialist walked in front of a bulldozer and expected it to stop. Suicide by bulldozer---her decision.
    Now that's totally unfair. Sorry -- I agree that it was her choice to put her life at risk, and I also agree that the US government should do nothing about it, but to say that she was crazy or she caused her own death...? Everyone who witnessed the incident insists that the bulldozer operator knew she was there and deliberately ran her over.

    YouTube - Rachel Corrie - American Hero!

    She may have been a socialist (I'm not sure), but she was only 23, so give us a break.

    This is Rachel Corrie when she was in 5th grade. She had a heart of gold even then. Tell me you're not moved by this.

    YouTube - Rachel Corrie 5th Grade Speech I'm here because I care

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibaghdadi View Post
    Now that's totally unfair. Sorry -- I agree that it was her choice to put her life at risk, and I also agree that the US government should do nothing about it, but to say that she was crazy or she caused her own death...? Everyone who witnessed the incident insists that the bulldozer operator knew she was there and deliberately ran her over.

    YouTube - Rachel Corrie - American Hero!

    She may have been a socialist (I'm not sure), but she was only 23, so give us a break.

    This is Rachel Corrie when she was in 5th grade. She had a heart of gold even then. Tell me you're not moved by this.

    YouTube - Rachel Corrie 5th Grade Speech I'm here because I care
    Sure, she should have gotten out of the way. She was attempting to prevent the enforcement of the law in Israel, and she took the risks of standing in front of a bulldozer on her own shoulders... She bears the responsibility for her little "death by bulldozer" protest.
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

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    if mother theresa had been on the boat the right wing blogosphere would be making jokes about her death. Reagan, anybody.


    it's a tragedy but it won't make the news

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    WOW.
    I didn't know her name so I just did a google to see the answer to your question and discovered that the Irish ship that will try to break the blockade next is named after her!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert..._b_598924.html

    Former UN Assistant Secretary General Denis Halliday said it was imperative that the Obama administration supported Ireland's call on the Israeli authorities to ensure safe passage for the Irish-flagged Rachel Corrie to carry humanitarian aid to Gaza, the Irish Times reports.
    Corrie was killed in 2003, which makes GWB the answer to your question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibaghdadi View Post
    Just read it now on Washington Post:



    Any news yet on the USS Liberty survivor on board the flotilla?
    No worries. Joe Meadors, the USS Liberty survivor is safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibaghdadi View Post

    Any news yet on the USS Liberty survivor on board the flotilla?
    Yup, He's back.

    http://www.caller.com/news/2010/jun/...-man-flotilla/
    CORPUS CHRISTI — Retired Corpus Christi accountant Joe Meadors arrived at Corpus Christi International Airport on Tuesday after Israel deported him following an incident Sunday

    As are several other Americans.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_1...nclick_check=1
    SAN FRANCISCO—When Israeli commandos seized a supply flotilla bound for Gaza, Paul Larudee decided he would not go gently.

    Larudee, a 64-year-old former linguistics professor and Fulbright scholar, put on a life vest and jumped in the Mediterranean Sea, said Joe Meadors, one of five Americans in Larudee's group known as the Free Palestine Movement.

    On his swim toward Gaza, the Northern California man eluded an Israeli patrol craft for 30 minutes before he was cornered, Meadors said.

    Larudee was taken to a prison, bruised and cut, where he refused medical treatment, said Akiva Tor, the Israeli consul general in San Francisco.

    Tor said all the Americans in the flotilla except for Larudee would be back in the U.S. by Thursday.
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    I don't think that the U.S. government should have done anything over the Corrie death. Give me a break. If I decide to pack my bags tomorrow and head to Sudan to help save the black Christians from being attacked by the Arab Muslims, and I get killed in the process, should the U.S. government make a deal out of it by condemning the government of Sudan who is paying for these Arab headhunters? No. Of course not. It is my own fault.

    You play with fire and you get burned. Ron Paul has stated that the U.S. government should be non-interventionist, but that U.S. citizens can do whatever they want to do (and he used going over to fight WWI as an example). However, Ron Paul said that if a U.S. citizen chooses intervention (like the hypothetical soldier going to fight against Germany in WWI, or the real case scenario of Corrie), and they get into trouble, it is not the job of the U.S. government to bail them out. You suffer the consequences of your own mistake.

    That said, I believe that the U.S. government should do something because this was done in international waters. Had it been done in Israel's waters, well, Israel can do whatever the heck it wants in its own waters. But because this was in international waters I believe the U.S. should raise a stink about it.

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/ameri...ry?id=10814848
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baptist View Post
    I don't think that the U.S. government should have done anything over the Corrie death. Give me a break. If I decide to pack my bags tomorrow and head to Sudan to help save the black Christians from being attacked by the Arab Muslims, and I get killed in the process, should the U.S. government make a deal out of it by condemning the government of Sudan who is paying for these Arab headhunters? No. Of course not. It is my own fault.

    You play with fire and you get burned. Ron Paul has stated that the U.S. government should be non-interventionist, but that U.S. citizens can do whatever they want to do (and he used going over to fight WWI as an example). However, Ron Paul said that if a U.S. citizen chooses intervention (like the hypothetical soldier going to fight against Germany in WWI, or the real case scenario of Corrie), and they get into trouble, it is not the job of the U.S. government to bail them out. You suffer the consequences of your own mistake.

    That said, I believe that the U.S. government should do something because this was done in international waters. Had it been done in Israel's waters, well, Israel can do whatever the heck it wants in its own waters. But because this was in international waters I believe the U.S. should raise a stink about it.

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/ameri...ry?id=10814848
    +1776. These people chose to try to break a lawful blockade imposed by Egypt and Israel, and then chose to participate in an attack on commandos enforcing the blockade. They brought this on themselves.
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post
    +1776. These people chose to try to break a lawful blockade imposed by Egypt and Israel, and then chose to participate in an attack on commandos enforcing the blockade. They brought this on themselves.
    Illegal aliens (Israelis) in Palestine cannot legally blockade Palestine. That's like saying illegal immigrants in the US can decide who comes and goes here. Or the US government can decide who is admitted to the Lakota Nation just because we stole the rest of the land.
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    lawful blockade ?

    ALL blockades are an act of war ... and should be dealt with accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sratiug View Post
    illegal aliens (israelis) in palestine cannot legally blockade palestine. That's like saying illegal immigrants in the us can decide who comes and goes here. Or the us government can decide who is admitted to the lakota nation just because we stole the rest of the land.
    +1776

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    Quote Originally Posted by sratiug View Post
    Illegal aliens (Israelis) in Palestine cannot legally blockade Palestine. That's like saying illegal immigrants in the US can decide who comes and goes here. Or the US government can decide who is admitted to the Lakota Nation just because we stole the rest of the land.
    Israelis are not illegal aliens, and they are lawfully conducting a blockade of a hostile province with the assistance of the enighboring country, Egypt.

    Lakota? What kind of drivel are you spouting. I didn't steal anyone's land. Get out of here with your "collective guilt".
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post
    +1776. These people chose to try to break a lawful blockade imposed by Egypt and Israel, and then chose to participate in an attack on commandos enforcing the blockade. They brought this on themselves.
    Incorrect. According to the same "international law" the israeli's keep pointing out, within that same law, it specifically gives details which prove their blockade is ILLEGAL.


    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2915343.htm
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100602/wl_csm/305360_1
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177028

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrob View Post
    Incorrect. According to the same "international law" the israeli's keep pointing out, within that same law, it specifically gives details which prove their blockade is ILLEGAL.


    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2915343.htm
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100602/wl_csm/305360_1
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177028
    False. Maritime law explicitly allows for blockades.
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baptist View Post
    I don't think that the U.S. government should have done anything over the Corrie death. Give me a break. If I decide to pack my bags tomorrow and head to Sudan to help save the black Christians from being attacked by the Arab Muslims, and I get killed in the process, should the U.S. government make a deal out of it by condemning the government of Sudan who is paying for these Arab headhunters? No. Of course not. It is my own fault.

    You play with fire and you get burned. Ron Paul has stated that the U.S. government should be non-interventionist, but that U.S. citizens can do whatever they want to do (and he used going over to fight WWI as an example). However, Ron Paul said that if a U.S. citizen chooses intervention (like the hypothetical soldier going to fight against Germany in WWI, or the real case scenario of Corrie), and they get into trouble, it is not the job of the U.S. government to bail them out. You suffer the consequences of your own mistake.

    That said, I believe that the U.S. government should do something because this was done in international waters. Had it been done in Israel's waters, well, Israel can do whatever the heck it wants in its own waters. But because this was in international waters I believe the U.S. should raise a stink about it.

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/ameri...ry?id=10814848

    God forbid that we should be able to live in a peaceful world where we can travel and enjoy life. What if Christians were to promote a peaceful world?

    Rachel Corrie is simply another statistic for central bankers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baptist View Post
    I don't think that the U.S. government should have done anything over the Corrie death. Give me a break. If I decide to pack my bags tomorrow and head to Sudan to help save the black Christians from being attacked by the Arab Muslims, and I get killed in the process, should the U.S. government make a deal out of it by condemning the government of Sudan who is paying for these Arab headhunters? No. Of course not. It is my own fault.

    You play with fire and you get burned. Ron Paul has stated that the U.S. government should be non-interventionist, but that U.S. citizens can do whatever they want to do (and he used going over to fight WWI as an example). However, Ron Paul said that if a U.S. citizen chooses intervention (like the hypothetical soldier going to fight against Germany in WWI, or the real case scenario of Corrie), and they get into trouble, it is not the job of the U.S. government to bail them out. You suffer the consequences of your own mistake.
    Yes, and the investigators made a good case for not even seeing her. The bulldozer driver has only a small slit to see out of, and she was below his line of sight.

    She's a martyr, that's more than most of us get when we die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baptist View Post
    You play with fire and you get burned. Ron Paul has stated that the U.S. government should be non-interventionist, but that U.S. citizens can do whatever they want to do (and he used going over to fight WWI as an example). However, Ron Paul said that if a U.S. citizen chooses intervention (like the hypothetical soldier going to fight against Germany in WWI, or the real case scenario of Corrie), and they get into trouble, it is not the job of the U.S. government to bail them out. You suffer the consequences of your own mistake.
    whole heartedly agree with this.

    US government and its taxing power should always remain neutral unless attacked, and have neutral opinions on NGOs and countries, and much like a free market, allow its citizens to choose which political/social movements they want to donate their financial/bodily efforts to, without the risk of being labeled terrorists by the federal government.
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    non issue...I heard this yesterday....somethingnlike 25% of political donations come from the jewsish and they are 2% of population.....this math says this story will not be news
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    baptist- sudan isn't an ally, israel is and they aren't supposed to be "fire" they are supposed to be our friends

    Quote Originally Posted by john taylor
    The crazed socialist walked in front of a bulldozer and expected it to stop. Suicide by bulldozer---her decision.
    so you admit they ran her over on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lester1/2jr View Post
    baptist- sudan isn't an ally, israel is and they aren't supposed to be "fire" they are supposed to be our friends



    so you admit they ran her over on purpose.
    I never admitted that, or said anything which even remotely could have been construed that way. I said, she committed suicide by bulldozer by standing right in front of it when it was bulldozing a house, and just refused to move. She took responsibility for herself, and she died. Tough.
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

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    the bulldozer was supposed to stop. that's the humane thing to do. you know, humanity? morals, the stuff western civilization was built on.

    the things our allies are ALSO supposed to believe in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lester1/2jr View Post
    the bulldozer was supposed to stop. that's the humane thing to do. you know, humanity? morals, the stuff western civilization was built on.

    the things our allies are ALSO supposed to believe in?
    The bulldozer was supposed to stop? Uh, I didn't see that memo. She took the risk, and her gamble lost. Tough.

    She was an adult, and made an adult decision, thinking she wouldn't have to pay the consequences---not thinking she could be wrong, but she was.
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post
    The bulldozer was supposed to stop?
    Yea, murder is USUALLY considered wrong. I understand that you allow for a couple of exceptions though, like pesky young women.

    Who needs them when you have pressing business like homes to mow under?

    I recommend you google "consistency" and give it a think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by constituent View Post
    Yea, murder is USUALLY considered wrong. I understand that you allow for a couple of exceptions though, like pesky young women. Who needs them when you have homes to mow under?
    Murder requires INTENT pal. She thought the bulldozer would stop, the bulldozer opperator assumed she was a reasonable person and would get out of the way of a hundred ton earth moving piece of equipment.
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

    We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. ~Congressman Larry McDonald.

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