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Interesting, but that's not what he said.
You appear to be arguing that Johnson is the lesser of 3 evils. Besides the fact that many here have argued against voting for evil, the question here is whether Johnson merits being categorized a a liberty candidate. The decision has already been made about Trump.You are arguing this stuff, yet all the evidence proves that Trump will be orders of magnitude worse. Did you notice that he was talking about IF Congress votes to intervene? At least he's actually being Constitutional about it, which is a refreshing change--and nothing either Trump or Clinton has promised to do.
You keep bringing up Trump. We are evaluating Johnson here; not Trump. Please stay focused.Well, we knew about this one. And I don't think anyone believes Trump's flip flop on the issue, any more than smart people believed either Bush when they promised to do something about the subject.
But, in fact, with Johnson and the LP we do stand some chance of getting this can kicked to the states. And we do stand a chance of being relieved of the 'honor' of paying for abortions with our federal taxes. Which puts him head and shoulders above the competition.
Ron Paul was for marque and reprisal to get the people who bombed us on 9-11. Johnson, on the other hand, is for going to war for "humanitarian" reasons. These are two totally different things.Who will? Even Ron Paul wouldn't take letters of marque and reprisal off the table. Come on, you know perfectly well that if he did flatly promise not to ever go after any rogue terrorist ever under any circumstances, you'd be howling like a fire truck.
Glad to know that Johnson has. Thanks. But, since you can't seem to stop yourself from mentioning Trump during an evaluation of Johnson, for some reason, please get your facts straight. Trump is against both Common Core and federal involvement in education. In fact, he wants to return education to the states and communities. He probably got this from Schlafly, as these are two core issues with her.And how does he feel about Common Core? Has he spoken out against ED (otherwise known as the Department of Education? Why, yes. Yes he has. And have Clinton or Trump? Why, no. No, they haven't.
Apparently, you are wrong. Florida Airport Gives TSA The Boot, Will Outsource Screening To Private CompanyIt isn't a state issue until we get someone libertarian enough in Washington to pry Washington's nose out of it.
Those who do not are misinformed. What do you think the WTO is; what do you think the TPA is?I don't think any of us are going to confuse trade agreements with the loss of sovereignty, and would hope none stoop to trying to confuse the two.
Yes, but Johnson has come out in support of gay marriage, in the meantime.Well, Ron Paul wanted no government involvement in marriage at all, which would have been the same thing on a practical level. Fact is, if the government and e corporations didn't have the issues of family benefits and survivor benefits all tied up in a trillion pages of stupid regulations, it wouldn't even be an issue. And neither of the other candidates will be doing anything about that any time soon.
No, I am knowledgeable about it. If one isn't, I suppose it sounds like that.Yeah, we know. We know you're so paranoid about it
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/260903ronpaul.html"Congressman Ron Paul Admits Conspiracy to Create World Government
Eric Rainbolt - audience member asking question of Congressman Paul at event near Austin, Texas on August 30th, 2003: "Congressman Paul, I have a question..."
Moderator: "Over here." (pointing to Eric Rainbolt.)
Eric Rainbolt: "Great! If we can take a look at the big picture, could you tell us, the people in this room, any information that you may have of an international and deceptive conspiracy to overthrow the American Republic and its Constitution & Bill Of Rights in order to set up and usher in a totalitarian World Government likely espoused under the UN also.."?
Congressman Paul: " He asked if there was an international conspiracy to overthrow our government. The answer is "Yes". I think there are 25,000 individuals that have used offices of powers, and they are in our Universities and they are in our Congresses, and they believe in One World Government. And if you believe in One World Goverment, then you are talking about undermining National Sovereignty and you are talking about setting up something that you could well call a Dictatorship - and those plans are there!..."
I hope they are not, but seeing their plan roll out in front of our eyes, I am going to be cognizant of what is happening. It wasn't very long ago that a Council on Foreign Relations Task Force, put out a plan to create a North American Union. Which included an all but borderless North American land mass.you're concerned about the elimination of passport requirements to cross the U.S.-Canadian border. Even though you seem to think things were fine prior to 1989, and prior to 1989 no passport was required to cross the U.S.-Canadian border. I don't think those two things are as closely intertwined as you like to let on.
http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-n...ommunity/p8102
No, but looking at this forum over the past few weeks, it seemed to be quite the issue when discussing another one of the candidates. If it is germane for that candidate, why is it not the same for Johnson. Especially, since he is being offered as a "liberty candidate"?Oh, well. Let's automatically dismiss everyone who ever said anything nasty about Rand or Ron Paul. Please.
There you go, arguing the lesser of 3 evils angle.Considering how often Trump has done just that, I think we'd all breathe a big sigh of relief.
No, I didn't tune that out. I also didn't tune out when he advocated for using our military in what he believed were humanitarian causes. That is the typical excuse that liberals use for warmongering, when it has 0 to do with our own national defense.He will give consideration to military action when the Congress votes for some of it. Sounds like a respect for the Constitution to me. Or did you tune out the part where he stipulated, if Congress says so? Or the part of the Constitution where it says giving Congress' call for military action due consideration?
And again with the lesser of 3 evils angle.Sounds principled to me. Why are you holding him to principles when Trump has no principles at all? Is this supposed to be a comparative selling point?
This is a discussion as to whether Johnson merits being tagged as a liberty candidate. I think he flunks.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Tulsa, thanks very much for re-posting this list of 45 libertarian positions supported by Gary Johnson, with sources and links backing up each of them.
Leave it to LE to dispute (poorly) four of them, and then claim that Johnson thus "fails" as a liberty candidate.
It is clear, now, that LibertyEagle, Trump supporter, cannot (mod edit). He's decided to campaign for a candidate who is completely anti-liberty, his mind is made up, and he'll do whatever he can to dissuade RPF-goers from (mod edit).
Gary Johnson gives a thumbs up to open borders, pro-abortion, pro gay marriage, completely willing to go to war for "humanitarian" reasons, doesn't want to close bases, nor will he take drone strikes off the table. And we still don't know his stance on TPP. Not to mention the fact that he refers to non-interventionism as isolationism. Remember how hard we worked to change that thinking?
Whether to vote for Johnson is a personal choice. The issue here however, is whether he should be tagged and promoted as a liberty candidate. I think he fails and badly.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Just thought I'd bump this thread, so someone can say she thinks he flunks nearly as badly as her candidate for the seventeenth time. Because God for bid she not get the last word.
If we decide Johnson's a liberty candidate, are we (as we have been accused of) grading on a curve? Is he a non-liberty candidate who just looks like one because the rest of the field is such a pair of tyrants? I don't think so, myself. But if desperate times really do call for desperate measures, does it matter?
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This thread is for the purpose of evaluating whether Gary Johnson should be identified on this site as a liberty candidate and be afforded the associated benefits. It isn't about me and it isn't about Trump. If you think Johnson should be tagged as a liberty candidate, make your argument. Insulting me is a poor substitute for said argument.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
gay marriage and early term abortions are both fence issues from a liberty perspective... we have people on both sides, not a game changer for a "liberty candidate"; the liberty movement is first and FOREMOST about economic issues; "the property basis of rights"; gay marriage and early term abortion stances just muddle our platform and divide us really.
you're personal anti "illegals" notion doesn't match at all with ron's notion of a green card with an asterisk for any non criminal non citizen in the interior... so frankly you'll never be happy till you see a wall and jackboots.... you're not supporting free market liberty with your notion of "closed borders" so johnson is not anti liberty on this... he's just anti LE and fellow isolationist trumpettes
he's not "completely" willing to go to war for humanitarian reasons. The only humanitarian plight he's backed in the past 2 decades has been Kony, which was very small scale intervention; a few hundred boots in non combative supporting roles. He has not shown support for any other specific humanitarian crises.
he is generally unwillling to close bases, but he does want our boys back IN the bases rather than roaming the interiors of foreign countries. Its a step in the right direction. I do think we should march out just as we marched in and abandon the bases we created.
no he won't take drone strikes off the table... but yes unlike conventional wisdom he recognizes the potential for blowback which would obviously mitigate his usage
we do know his stance on TPP; he's running under the LP banner. Anti TPP is part of the platform. Johnson is very clear on trade:
No trade deals. No protections. No corporate privileges. Free markets across borders in both labor and goods. End of story.
He doesn't need to be specific about TPP. The LP is pro free markets and anti trade deals. De Facto.
Not to mention the fact that he refers to non-interventionism as isolationism. Remember how hard we worked to change that thinking?
apparently you didn't really read that article, the quote was
not from johnson:
this paragraph that does not appear to be a quote but rather the writer’s own analysis
The liberty movement is an economic free market movement above all else. Ron's primary influence was austrian economic textbooks. Johnson is a clearly "libertarian" on economic issues. Gay marriage... early term abortions... whether we close bases or just drastically reduce troop levels... Whether we never get involved in humanitarian crises or just rarely and only when very small scale intervention... these are really petty issues in comparison to the national debt and regulation of our economic activity.Whether to vote for Johnson is a personal choice. The issue here however, is whether he should be tagged and promoted as a liberty candidate. I think he fails and badly.
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'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988
Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation
'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3
Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.
...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...
My preference would be to let the LP nominate whomever they nominate, and then support them alongside Castle with the CP.
The important thing is that we remain thoroughly anti-Trump and anti-Hillary.
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Impeaching a witness is always relevant. The case is made. The only thing left to do is to decide if the continuing objections have merit. And since you appear to be the sole source of continuing objections...
Oh, come now. Why should liberals have a monopoly on professional victimhood? That wouldn't be fair at all.
I'd say a B is a fair grade. His selection of a gun control VP, wishywashy on the rights of business owners, and his stance on staying in the U.N bring him down a few points.
And @LibertyEagle
The fact that you are convincing us too not support Gary Johnson because he is not a pure libertarian while you yourself support a candidate the literally received "F" on the site evaluation is kind of ridiculous.
The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.
RON PAUL
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The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.
RON PAUL
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.
RON PAUL
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
No I haven't
You come here and start slamming the LP when you yourself support a Republican.
Most of us agree Gary Johnson is not an ideal libertarian candidate. If you noticed the last poll most of us prefer McAfee.
However he is still closer too Ron Paul then Donald Trump or any mainstream candidate in this race.
What is annoying is the fact that you will literally defend an authoritarian tooth and nail every thread, but when we evaluate a decent candidate you come in blabbing about "compromise", when you seem too be a walking Donald Trump meme.
Your opinion doesn't influence me or most of the members on this site because we stand firm in our beliefs. You are being so hypocritical it is literally sad.
Sometimes I wonder who you like more in that gif profile pick of yours.
The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.
RON PAUL
Opinions vary. But once again, this thread is to discuss Gary Johnson and his suitability for being tagged as a liberty candidate.
Actually, open borders is a tactic in the globalist arsenal. The goal is world government/world communism. If you'd like to discuss this further, start a new thread.Closed borders is a communist position, by the way.
I can understand why some might want to steer the conversation away from Johnson, but come on guys, it's really transparent.
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018
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Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.
Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
The Property Basis of Rights
“I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul
We are talking about Johnson. Did you not view the first few pages of this thread? The general consensus so far is a decent libertarian candidate. Not perfect and has a few flaws, but in general complies with the site mission.
You keep attacking and then when anybody exposes the hypocrisy and mud foundation of your arguments you clam up and try to take the high road with responses like "lol" and "stay on topic"
The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.
RON PAUL
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