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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    That doesn't answer the question of the TPA/TPP. I think we should have a defacto answer.
    Why? You obviously don't need an answer on that from Trump.



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  3. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    It isn't open borders unless he's giving away citizenship, which he is not. And work visas certainly won't be a dime a dozen, unless and until he gives us the freedom to resurrect the economy.
    Interesting, but that's not what he said.

    You are arguing this stuff, yet all the evidence proves that Trump will be orders of magnitude worse. Did you notice that he was talking about IF Congress votes to intervene? At least he's actually being Constitutional about it, which is a refreshing change--and nothing either Trump or Clinton has promised to do.
    You appear to be arguing that Johnson is the lesser of 3 evils. Besides the fact that many here have argued against voting for evil, the question here is whether Johnson merits being categorized a a liberty candidate. The decision has already been made about Trump.

    Well, we knew about this one. And I don't think anyone believes Trump's flip flop on the issue, any more than smart people believed either Bush when they promised to do something about the subject.

    But, in fact, with Johnson and the LP we do stand some chance of getting this can kicked to the states. And we do stand a chance of being relieved of the 'honor' of paying for abortions with our federal taxes. Which puts him head and shoulders above the competition.
    You keep bringing up Trump. We are evaluating Johnson here; not Trump. Please stay focused.

    Who will? Even Ron Paul wouldn't take letters of marque and reprisal off the table. Come on, you know perfectly well that if he did flatly promise not to ever go after any rogue terrorist ever under any circumstances, you'd be howling like a fire truck.
    Ron Paul was for marque and reprisal to get the people who bombed us on 9-11. Johnson, on the other hand, is for going to war for "humanitarian" reasons. These are two totally different things.


    And how does he feel about Common Core? Has he spoken out against ED (otherwise known as the Department of Education? Why, yes. Yes he has. And have Clinton or Trump? Why, no. No, they haven't.
    Glad to know that Johnson has. Thanks. But, since you can't seem to stop yourself from mentioning Trump during an evaluation of Johnson, for some reason, please get your facts straight. Trump is against both Common Core and federal involvement in education. In fact, he wants to return education to the states and communities. He probably got this from Schlafly, as these are two core issues with her.

    It isn't a state issue until we get someone libertarian enough in Washington to pry Washington's nose out of it.
    Apparently, you are wrong. Florida Airport Gives TSA The Boot, Will Outsource Screening To Private Company


    I don't think any of us are going to confuse trade agreements with the loss of sovereignty, and would hope none stoop to trying to confuse the two.
    Those who do not are misinformed. What do you think the WTO is; what do you think the TPA is?




    Well, Ron Paul wanted no government involvement in marriage at all, which would have been the same thing on a practical level. Fact is, if the government and e corporations didn't have the issues of family benefits and survivor benefits all tied up in a trillion pages of stupid regulations, it wouldn't even be an issue. And neither of the other candidates will be doing anything about that any time soon.
    Yes, but Johnson has come out in support of gay marriage, in the meantime.

    Yeah, we know. We know you're so paranoid about it
    No, I am knowledgeable about it. If one isn't, I suppose it sounds like that.

    "Congressman Ron Paul Admits Conspiracy to Create World Government

    Eric Rainbolt - audience member asking question of Congressman Paul at event near Austin, Texas on August 30th, 2003: "Congressman Paul, I have a question..."

    Moderator: "Over here." (pointing to Eric Rainbolt.)

    Eric Rainbolt: "Great! If we can take a look at the big picture, could you tell us, the people in this room, any information that you may have of an international and deceptive conspiracy to overthrow the American Republic and its Constitution & Bill Of Rights in order to set up and usher in a totalitarian World Government likely espoused under the UN also.."?

    Congressman Paul: " He asked if there was an international conspiracy to overthrow our government. The answer is "Yes". I think there are 25,000 individuals that have used offices of powers, and they are in our Universities and they are in our Congresses, and they believe in One World Government. And if you believe in One World Goverment, then you are talking about undermining National Sovereignty and you are talking about setting up something that you could well call a Dictatorship - and those plans are there!..."
    http://www.propagandamatrix.com/260903ronpaul.html


    you're concerned about the elimination of passport requirements to cross the U.S.-Canadian border. Even though you seem to think things were fine prior to 1989, and prior to 1989 no passport was required to cross the U.S.-Canadian border. I don't think those two things are as closely intertwined as you like to let on.
    I hope they are not, but seeing their plan roll out in front of our eyes, I am going to be cognizant of what is happening. It wasn't very long ago that a Council on Foreign Relations Task Force, put out a plan to create a North American Union. Which included an all but borderless North American land mass.
    http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-n...ommunity/p8102

    Oh, well. Let's automatically dismiss everyone who ever said anything nasty about Rand or Ron Paul. Please.
    No, but looking at this forum over the past few weeks, it seemed to be quite the issue when discussing another one of the candidates. If it is germane for that candidate, why is it not the same for Johnson. Especially, since he is being offered as a "liberty candidate"?

    Considering how often Trump has done just that, I think we'd all breathe a big sigh of relief.
    There you go, arguing the lesser of 3 evils angle.

    He will give consideration to military action when the Congress votes for some of it. Sounds like a respect for the Constitution to me. Or did you tune out the part where he stipulated, if Congress says so? Or the part of the Constitution where it says giving Congress' call for military action due consideration?
    No, I didn't tune that out. I also didn't tune out when he advocated for using our military in what he believed were humanitarian causes. That is the typical excuse that liberals use for warmongering, when it has 0 to do with our own national defense.

    Sounds principled to me. Why are you holding him to principles when Trump has no principles at all? Is this supposed to be a comparative selling point?
    And again with the lesser of 3 evils angle.

    This is a discussion as to whether Johnson merits being tagged as a liberty candidate. I think he flunks.
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  5. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Johnson would cut at least some amount of funding to the National Institute of Health and the National Science Foundation, with abolition being an option.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...77579231686656

    Johnson believes we should allow more off-shore drilling, and drilling in ANWR.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...77831506489344

    Johnson believes gay marriage should be a state issue rather than a federal issue, and he supports gay civil unions.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...78561105661952

    The three things Johnson condemns most strongly about the George W. Bush presidency are: Bush's spending, the Iraq War, and not ultimately withdrawing from Afghanistan.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...78676247691264

    Johnson doesn't believe the U.S. government should have intervened in Libya.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...79045635862528

    Johnson would appoint Supreme Court justices who adhered to an originalist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...79866658283520

    Johnson supports auditing the Federal Reserve and places the blame on the Federal Reserve's shoulders for the current recession.
    http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23gjchat

    Johnson believes that by pursuing domestic oil drilling, within 15 years we could produce over half the oil that we consume.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...80840374337537

    Johnson would cut defense spending and entitlements, but believes that Social Security can be reformed without being cut.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...80882925568000

    Johnson would not only legalize marijuana, he would also issue pardons for all those who are in prison solely for marijuana.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81033257811968

    Johnson would rule out raising taxes as a way to reduce the deficit.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81092342956033

    Johnson is opposed to the corporate income tax, believing it is a double tax.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81352981209089

    Johnson believes that legalizing marijuana will relieve much of the border violence.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81482547445760

    Johnson states that the Fair Tax is his preferred method of reforming our tax code.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81562922897408

    Johnson doesn't believe government-funded high-speed rail is a profitable venture, and isn't sure it would be profitable even with private funding.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81578164998144

    Johnson places the utmost value on the constitutionality of a bill, when considering it.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81700873551872

    Johson is not a "Birther".
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...82393764200448

    Johnson would abolish the Deparment of Education.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...82672500858880

    Johnson would only deploy the U.S. military if there were a clear threat to national security and he got congressional authorization.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...83010293334017

    Johnson believes farm subsidies need to be cut by at least 43%, and possibly abolished.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...83048885121024
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84844365996032

    Johnson believes the death penalty is flawed public policy.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84035033104384

    Johnson would have let the so-called "too big to fail" banks fail.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84233822134272

    Johnson would eliminate all instances on federal government questionnaires asking about your race or skin color.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84305880268800

    Johnson plans on being competitive in Iowa.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84393545416704

    Johnson would look at selling land currently being used as overseas U.S. military bases, as one way to help reduce the national debt.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84529168244736

    Johnson supports rescinding the passport requirement for US-Canada travel.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84638333390848

    Johnson supports a commodity based currency, such as a gold and/or silver backed currency.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85362555473920

    Johnson, if elected President, would submit legislation to balance the federal budget by 2013.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85374542794752

    One of Johnson's heroes is Milton Friedman.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85585675673600

    Johnson would support a flat tax proposal.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85989956239361

    Johnson does not believe in the literal, 6-day Creation story in Genesis.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86031064621056

    Johnson believes President Obama violated the Constitution by initiating military action in Libya.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86074123350016

    Johnson believes the trade embargo on Cuba is not working and would look at lifting it.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86306210967552

    Johnson personally believes that abortion should be allowed up until the viability of the fetus, and points out that as Governor of New Mexico, he signed
    legislation banning late term abortions.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86426948198400

    Johnson's favo
    rite book is "The Fountainhead", by Ayn Rand
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86894109773824


    Johnson
    supports a free market approach to health care reform.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87073068142592

    Johnson's all-time favorite President is Thomas Jefferson.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87375309688832

    Johnson believes rising oil prices are due to shrinking supply and a devaluing Dollar. He places the blame on the Federal Reserve.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87528288538624

    Johnson would pardon Bernard von Nothaus, creator of the Liberty Dollar.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87844329353216

    Johnson would abolish the Departments of Education and HUD.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87864554274816

    Johnson would never have established the TSA, and would return airline security functions to the private airline companies.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...88048399007744

    Johnson advocates harm reduction strategies for hard drugs (i.e. treating them first as a health issue, not a criminal justice issue).
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...88554827665408

    Johnson believes states should handle all welfare programs, not the federal government.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...88574016610304


    Johnson supports either the Fair Tax or a flat tax, but currently prefers the Fair Tax.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89110493265920

    Johnson would set up a grace period for the 11,000,000 illegal immigrants in America to get a background check adn apply for a work visa, but not a green card or citizenship, so that they can begin paying taxes and being productive.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89213308239872
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...90060599590912

    Johnson adheres to the Austrian School of economics, not Supply Side economics.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89364848431104




    Johnson hopes to get a fair shake from progressive voters.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89408515330048

    Johnson would try not to cut Social Security, but would raise the retirement age and do means testing.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...90327713832961

    Johnson will not consider an independent or third party bid.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...90902631268353

    Johnson's campaign is working to make all of his campaign speeches viewable online.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...91130910470144

    Johnson hopes to win by communicating directly with as many people as possible.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...91303401226240

    Johnson doesn't think the problem with Wall Street is a lack of regulation, but rather protectionist government policies that favor big corporations.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...91351803490304

    Johnson would stop the creation of any new money and hammer out a balanced budget.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...92307211403264

    Johnson believes that the transparency offered by Wikileaks is a good thing.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...92467651923968
    Tulsa, thanks very much for re-posting this list of 45 libertarian positions supported by Gary Johnson, with sources and links backing up each of them.

    Leave it to LE to dispute (poorly) four of them, and then claim that Johnson thus "fails" as a liberty candidate.

    It is clear, now, that LibertyEagle, Trump supporter, cannot (mod edit). He's decided to campaign for a candidate who is completely anti-liberty, his mind is made up, and he'll do whatever he can to dissuade RPF-goers from (mod edit).

  6. #34
    Gary Johnson gives a thumbs up to open borders, pro-abortion, pro gay marriage, completely willing to go to war for "humanitarian" reasons, doesn't want to close bases, nor will he take drone strikes off the table. And we still don't know his stance on TPP. Not to mention the fact that he refers to non-interventionism as isolationism. Remember how hard we worked to change that thinking?

    Whether to vote for Johnson is a personal choice. The issue here however, is whether he should be tagged and promoted as a liberty candidate. I think he fails and badly.
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  7. #35
    Just thought I'd bump this thread, so someone can say she thinks he flunks nearly as badly as her candidate for the seventeenth time. Because God for bid she not get the last word.


    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Open borders: Not exactly. Though it is not "building a wall." Which will never happen anyway.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...f_Gary_Johnson

    Pro-abortion: Not entirely. He doesn't believe in Roe vs. Wade and believes it is a state issue, like Ron Paul, though he personally is pro-choice in most cases.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...f_Gary_Johnson

    Pro-gay marriage: Definitely. But why is allowing same sex couples the government benefits that hetero-couples enjoy a non liberty position?



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...f_Gary_Johnson

    Willing to go to war for humanitarian purposes. Mixed bag. But it seems his approach would at least be a voluntary one.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...Johnson#Uganda
    If we decide Johnson's a liberty candidate, are we (as we have been accused of) grading on a curve? Is he a non-liberty candidate who just looks like one because the rest of the field is such a pair of tyrants? I don't think so, myself. But if desperate times really do call for desperate measures, does it matter?
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    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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  9. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by RJ Liberty View Post
    Leave it to LE to dispute (poorly) four of them, and then claim that Johnson thus "fails" as a liberty candidate.

    It is clear, now, that LibertyEagle, Trump supporter, cannot (mod edit). He's decided to campaign for a candidate who is completely anti-liberty, his mind is made up, and he'll do whatever he can to (mod edit).
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    While remaining stone silent on the many anti-liberty points posted in the Trump evaluation thread (many more than 4) a few months ago...that border thing being all-important to those who don't like people who are different than they are.
    This thread is for the purpose of evaluating whether Gary Johnson should be identified on this site as a liberty candidate and be afforded the associated benefits. It isn't about me and it isn't about Trump. If you think Johnson should be tagged as a liberty candidate, make your argument. Insulting me is a poor substitute for said argument.
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  10. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Gary Johnson gives a thumbs up to open borders, pro-abortion, pro gay marriage, completely willing to go to war for "humanitarian" reasons, doesn't want to close bases, nor will he take drone strikes off the table. And we still don't know his stance on TPP.
    gay marriage and early term abortions are both fence issues from a liberty perspective... we have people on both sides, not a game changer for a "liberty candidate"; the liberty movement is first and FOREMOST about economic issues; "the property basis of rights"; gay marriage and early term abortion stances just muddle our platform and divide us really.

    you're personal anti "illegals" notion doesn't match at all with ron's notion of a green card with an asterisk for any non criminal non citizen in the interior... so frankly you'll never be happy till you see a wall and jackboots.... you're not supporting free market liberty with your notion of "closed borders" so johnson is not anti liberty on this... he's just anti LE and fellow isolationist trumpettes

    he's not "completely" willing to go to war for humanitarian reasons. The only humanitarian plight he's backed in the past 2 decades has been Kony, which was very small scale intervention; a few hundred boots in non combative supporting roles. He has not shown support for any other specific humanitarian crises.

    he is generally unwillling to close bases, but he does want our boys back IN the bases rather than roaming the interiors of foreign countries. Its a step in the right direction. I do think we should march out just as we marched in and abandon the bases we created.

    no he won't take drone strikes off the table... but yes unlike conventional wisdom he recognizes the potential for blowback which would obviously mitigate his usage

    we do know his stance on TPP; he's running under the LP banner. Anti TPP is part of the platform. Johnson is very clear on trade:

    No trade deals. No protections. No corporate privileges. Free markets across borders in both labor and goods. End of story.

    He doesn't need to be specific about TPP. The LP is pro free markets and anti trade deals. De Facto.


    Not to mention the fact that he refers to non-interventionism as isolationism. Remember how hard we worked to change that thinking?

    apparently you didn't really read that article, the quote was
    not from johnson:

    this paragraph that does not appear to be a quote but rather the writer’s own analysis

    Whether to vote for Johnson is a personal choice. The issue here however, is whether he should be tagged and promoted as a liberty candidate. I think he fails and badly.
    The liberty movement is an economic free market movement above all else. Ron's primary influence was austrian economic textbooks. Johnson is a clearly "libertarian" on economic issues. Gay marriage... early term abortions... whether we close bases or just drastically reduce troop levels... Whether we never get involved in humanitarian crises or just rarely and only when very small scale intervention... these are really petty issues in comparison to the national debt and regulation of our economic activity.
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  11. #39
    My preference would be to let the LP nominate whomever they nominate, and then support them alongside Castle with the CP.

    The important thing is that we remain thoroughly anti-Trump and anti-Hillary.

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  14. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    This thread is for the purpose of evaluating whether Gary Johnson should be identified on this site as a liberty candidate and be afforded the associated benefits. It isn't about me and it isn't about Trump. If you think Johnson should be tagged as a liberty candidate, make your argument. Insulting me is a poor substitute for said argument.
    Impeaching a witness is always relevant. The case is made. The only thing left to do is to decide if the continuing objections have merit. And since you appear to be the sole source of continuing objections...

    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    I didn't "insult" you. Your skin is too thin for someone who dishes out the things you do. Carry on.
    Oh, come now. Why should liberals have a monopoly on professional victimhood? That wouldn't be fair at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    You only want the freedoms that will undermine the nation and lead to the destruction of liberty.

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    I'd say a B is a fair grade. His selection of a gun control VP, wishywashy on the rights of business owners, and his stance on staying in the U.N bring him down a few points.


    And @LibertyEagle
    The fact that you are convincing us too not support Gary Johnson because he is not a pure libertarian while you yourself support a candidate the literally received "F" on the site evaluation is kind of ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Agreed. I would argue it's pro-liberty to keep government out of those issues -- always for marriage, and at least for now on abortion.

    I disagree with abortion, but at this point the issue really cannot be fixed. Too many people support it. We have to work gradually.
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  19. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Ridiculous also because LE is not a libertarian herself, so lecturing libertarians on how we should feel about a candidate -- how could she know unless she walks in our shoes? #Fail
    The FAIL is believing that liberty and this forum are limited to "libertarians".
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  20. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    The FAIL is believing that liberty is limited to "libertarians".
    Believing that authoritarians like Trump and 95% of the Republican party support "liberty" is like believing smoking will cure your lung cancer.
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  21. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by younglibertarian View Post
    Believing that authoritarians like Trump and 95% of the Republican party support "liberty" is like believing smoking will cure your lung cancer.
    Did you lose track of the subject of this thread?
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  23. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Ridiculous also because LE is not a libertarian herself, so lecturing libertarians on how we should feel about a candidate -- how could she know unless she walks in our shoes? #Fail
    She seems to gauge a candidate on how close they are to Tom Tancredo c. 2008. Last I heard this was Ron Paul Forums.
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  24. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    The FAIL is believing that liberty and this forum are limited to "libertarians".
    Regardless of labels, what you've been pushing here for the past year or so has at no point resembled liberty.

  25. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    She seems to gauge a candidate on how close they are to Tom Tancredo c. 2008. Last I heard this was Ron Paul Forums.
    "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to undergroundrr again."

  26. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    Regardless of labels, what you've been pushing here for the past year or so has at no point resembled liberty.
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    She seems to gauge a candidate on how close they are to Tom Tancredo c. 2008. Last I heard this was Ron Paul Forums.
    Indeed it is. It is also not Commie Central.
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  27. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Indeed it is. It is also not Commie Central.
    The closest thing we have to communism here is people supporting Trump.

    Closed borders is a communist position, by the way.

  28. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    The closest thing we have to communism here is people supporting Trump.

    Closed borders is a communist position, by the way.
    Dang. Beat me to it.
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  29. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Did you lose track of the subject of this thread?

    No I haven't

    You come here and start slamming the LP when you yourself support a Republican.

    Most of us agree Gary Johnson is not an ideal libertarian candidate. If you noticed the last poll most of us prefer McAfee.

    However he is still closer too Ron Paul then Donald Trump or any mainstream candidate in this race.

    What is annoying is the fact that you will literally defend an authoritarian tooth and nail every thread, but when we evaluate a decent candidate you come in blabbing about "compromise", when you seem too be a walking Donald Trump meme.

    Your opinion doesn't influence me or most of the members on this site because we stand firm in our beliefs. You are being so hypocritical it is literally sad.

    Sometimes I wonder who you like more in that gif profile pick of yours.
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  30. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    The closest thing we have to communism here is people supporting Trump.
    Opinions vary. But once again, this thread is to discuss Gary Johnson and his suitability for being tagged as a liberty candidate.

    Closed borders is a communist position, by the way.
    Actually, open borders is a tactic in the globalist arsenal. The goal is world government/world communism. If you'd like to discuss this further, start a new thread.

    I can understand why some might want to steer the conversation away from Johnson, but come on guys, it's really transparent.
    Last edited by LibertyEagle; 05-24-2016 at 09:51 AM.
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  32. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by younglibertarian View Post
    Sometimes I wonder who you like more in that gif profile pick of yours.
    That should be obvious. She's supporting a major contributor to John McCain. trump supporters' avatars on RPF are headshakingly ironic in almost every case.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie—that the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  33. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by younglibertarian View Post
    No I haven't

    You come here and start slamming the LP when you yourself support a Republican.

    Most of us agree Gary Johnson is not an ideal libertarian candidate. If you noticed the last poll most of us prefer McAfee.

    However he is still closer too Ron Paul then Donald Trump or any mainstream candidate in this race.

    What is annoying is the fact that you will literally defend an authoritarian tooth and nail every thread, but when we evaluate a decent candidate you come in blabbing about "compromise", when you seem too be a walking Donald Trump meme.

    Your opinion doesn't influence me or most of the members on this site because we stand firm in our beliefs. You are being so hypocritical it is literally sad.

    Sometimes I wonder who you like more in that gif profile pick of yours.
    Making it personal again, I see.

    Since when did we ever elect a political party to office? It's about the candidate and Johnson is the focus of this thread. Please try to stay on topic.
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  34. #59
    So these points are generally accepted?

    Quote Originally Posted by NatalieNonServiam View Post
    Johnson would cut at least some amount of funding to the National Institute of Health and the National Science Foundation, with abolition being an option.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...77579231686656

    Johnson believes we should allow more off-shore drilling, and drilling in ANWR.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...77831506489344

    Johnson believes gay marriage should be a state issue rather than a federal issue, and he supports gay civil unions.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...78561105661952

    The three things Johnson condemns most strongly about the George W. Bush presidency are: Bush's spending, the Iraq War, and not ultimately withdrawing from Afghanistan.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...78676247691264

    Johnson doesn't believe the U.S. government should have intervened in Libya.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...79045635862528

    Johnson would appoint Supreme Court justices who adhered to an originalist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...79866658283520

    Johnson supports auditing the Federal Reserve and places the blame on the Federal Reserve's shoulders for the current recession.
    http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23gjchat

    Johnson believes that by pursuing domestic oil drilling, within 15 years we could produce over half the oil that we consume.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...80840374337537

    Johnson would cut defense spending and entitlements, but believes that Social Security can be reformed without being cut.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...80882925568000

    Johnson would not only legalize marijuana, he would also issue pardons for all those who are in prison solely for marijuana.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81033257811968

    Johnson would rule out raising taxes as a way to reduce the deficit.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81092342956033

    Johnson is opposed to the corporate income tax, believing it is a double tax.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81352981209089

    Johnson believes that legalizing marijuana will relieve much of the border violence.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81482547445760

    Johnson states that the Fair Tax is his preferred method of reforming our tax code.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81562922897408

    Johnson doesn't believe government-funded high-speed rail is a profitable venture, and isn't sure it would be profitable even with private funding.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81578164998144

    Johnson places the utmost value on the constitutionality of a bill, when considering it.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81700873551872

    Johson is not a "Birther".
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...82393764200448

    Johnson would abolish the Deparment of Education.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...82672500858880

    Johnson would only deploy the U.S. military if there were a clear threat to national security and he got congressional authorization.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...83010293334017

    Johnson believes farm subsidies need to be cut by at least 43%, and possibly abolished.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...83048885121024
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84844365996032

    Johnson believes the death penalty is flawed public policy.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84035033104384

    Johnson would have let the so-called "too big to fail" banks fail.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84233822134272

    Johnson would eliminate all instances on federal government questionnaires asking about your race or skin color.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84305880268800

    Johnson plans on being competitive in Iowa.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84393545416704

    Johnson would look at selling land currently being used as overseas U.S. military bases, as one way to help reduce the national debt.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84529168244736

    Johnson supports rescinding the passport requirement for US-Canada travel.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84638333390848

    Johnson supports a commodity based currency, such as a gold and/or silver backed currency.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85362555473920

    Johnson, if elected President, would submit legislation to balance the federal budget by 2013.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85374542794752

    One of Johnson's heroes is Milton Friedman.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85585675673600

    Johnson would support a flat tax proposal.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85989956239361

    Johnson does not believe in the literal, 6-day Creation story in Genesis.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86031064621056

    Johnson believes President Obama violated the Constitution by initiating military action in Libya.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86074123350016

    Johnson believes the trade embargo on Cuba is not working and would look at lifting it.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86306210967552

    Johnson personally believes that abortion should be allowed up until the viability of the fetus, and points out that as Governor of New Mexico, he signed
    legislation banning late term abortions.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86426948198400

    Johnson's favo
    rite book is "The Fountainhead", by Ayn Rand
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86894109773824


    Johnson
    supports a free market approach to health care reform.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87073068142592

    Johnson's all-time favorite President is Thomas Jefferson.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87375309688832

    Johnson believes rising oil prices are due to shrinking supply and a devaluing Dollar. He places the blame on the Federal Reserve.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87528288538624

    Johnson would pardon Bernard von Nothaus, creator of the Liberty Dollar.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87844329353216

    Johnson would abolish the Departments of Education and HUD.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87864554274816

    Johnson would never have established the TSA, and would return airline security functions to the private airline companies.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...88048399007744

    Johnson advocates harm reduction strategies for hard drugs (i.e. treating them first as a health issue, not a criminal justice issue).
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...88554827665408

    Johnson believes states should handle all welfare programs, not the federal government.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...88574016610304


    Johnson supports either the Fair Tax or a flat tax, but currently prefers the Fair Tax.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89110493265920

    Johnson would set up a grace period for the 11,000,000 illegal immigrants in America to get a background check adn apply for a work visa, but not a green card or citizenship, so that they can begin paying taxes and being productive.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89213308239872
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...90060599590912

    Johnson adheres to the Austrian School of economics, not Supply Side economics.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89364848431104




    Johnson hopes to get a fair shake from progressive voters.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89408515330048

    Johnson would try not to cut Social Security, but would raise the retirement age and do means testing.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...90327713832961

    Johnson will not consider an independent or third party bid.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...90902631268353

    Johnson's campaign is working to make all of his campaign speeches viewable online.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...91130910470144

    Johnson hopes to win by communicating directly with as many people as possible.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...91303401226240

    Johnson doesn't think the problem with Wall Street is a lack of regulation, but rather protectionist government policies that favor big corporations.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...91351803490304

    Johnson would stop the creation of any new money and hammer out a balanced budget.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...92307211403264

    Johnson believes that the transparency offered by Wikileaks is a good thing.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...92467651923968
    “I don’t think that there will be any curtailing of Donald Trump as president,” he said. "He controls the media, he controls the sentiment [and] he controls everybody. He’s the one who will resort to executive orders more so than [President] Obama ever used them." - Ron Paul

  35. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Making it personal again, I see.

    Since when did we ever elect a political party to office? It's about the candidate and Johnson is the focus of this thread. Please try to stay on topic.
    We are talking about Johnson. Did you not view the first few pages of this thread? The general consensus so far is a decent libertarian candidate. Not perfect and has a few flaws, but in general complies with the site mission.

    You keep attacking and then when anybody exposes the hypocrisy and mud foundation of your arguments you clam up and try to take the high road with responses like "lol" and "stay on topic"
    The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.

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