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    Campaign Evaluation: Johnson / Weld Ticket (POTUS)

    This thread is intended to be a collection point of the strong pros and cons of any potential liberty candidate / campaign that is being discussed / promoted on the forum. You are welcome to post both positive and not-so-positive attributes about the candidate as they related to the evaluation.


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    Candidate Information
    Candidate Name: Gary Johnson / Bill Weld
    Office Sought: President of the United States
    Party: Libertarian Party
    Website: https://garyjohnson2016.com/
    Social Media:
    https://www.facebook.com/govgaryjohnson/
    https://www.instagram.com/govgaryjohnson/
    https://twitter.com/GovGaryJohnson
    https://plus.google.com/+GovGaryJohnson/posts
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/governorgaryjohnson
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwd...HQ203lTjpDc_fw
    https://www.pinterest.com/govgaryjohnson


    Race Information: Competition & Demographics
    Incumbent: Barack Obama
    Other Primary Candidates: won primary
    Non-Incumbent Candidates from Other Parties: Hilary Clinton, Donald Trump




    Evaluation

    Candidate Profile: Issues
    Civil Liberties: [Rating TBD]
    Constitutional Issues: [Rating TBD]
    Economic Issues: [Rating TBD]
    Foreign Policy: [Rating TBD]
    Social Issues: [Rating TBD]
    Overall Issues Rating: [Rating TBD]


    Candidate Profile: Personal
    Honesty: [Rating TBD]
    Issue consistency: [Rating TBD]
    Personality: [Rating TBD]
    Associations: [Rating TBD]
    Relevant experience: [Rating TBD]
    Personal history: [Rating TBD]
    Overall Personal Rating: [Rating TBD]

    Candidate Rating: [Rating TBD]



    Race Profile Rating
    Race Impact Rating: [Rating TBD]
    Victory Impact Rating: [Rating TBD]

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    Evaluation Commentary

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    Possible weak points:

    Possible deal breakers:

    Unknown points for further research:

    Rating commentary:



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    Quote Originally Posted by NatalieNonServiam View Post
    Johnson would cut at least some amount of funding to the National Institute of Health and the National Science Foundation, with abolition being an option.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...77579231686656

    Johnson believes we should allow more off-shore drilling, and drilling in ANWR.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...77831506489344

    Johnson believes gay marriage should be a state issue rather than a federal issue, and he supports gay civil unions.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...78561105661952

    The three things Johnson condemns most strongly about the George W. Bush presidency are: Bush's spending, the Iraq War, and not ultimately withdrawing from Afghanistan.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...78676247691264

    Johnson doesn't believe the U.S. government should have intervened in Libya.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...79045635862528

    Johnson would appoint Supreme Court justices who adhered to an originalist interpretation of the U.S. Constitution.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...79866658283520

    Johnson supports auditing the Federal Reserve and places the blame on the Federal Reserve's shoulders for the current recession.
    http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23gjchat

    Johnson believes that by pursuing domestic oil drilling, within 15 years we could produce over half the oil that we consume.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...80840374337537

    Johnson would cut defense spending and entitlements, but believes that Social Security can be reformed without being cut.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...80882925568000

    Johnson would not only legalize marijuana, he would also issue pardons for all those who are in prison solely for marijuana.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81033257811968

    Johnson would rule out raising taxes as a way to reduce the deficit.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81092342956033

    Johnson is opposed to the corporate income tax, believing it is a double tax.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81352981209089

    Johnson believes that legalizing marijuana will relieve much of the border violence.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81482547445760

    Johnson states that the Fair Tax is his preferred method of reforming our tax code.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81562922897408

    Johnson doesn't believe government-funded high-speed rail is a profitable venture, and isn't sure it would be profitable even with private funding.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81578164998144

    Johnson places the utmost value on the constitutionality of a bill, when considering it.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...81700873551872

    Johson is not a "Birther".
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...82393764200448

    Johnson would abolish the Deparment of Education.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...82672500858880

    Johnson would only deploy the U.S. military if there were a clear threat to national security and he got congressional authorization.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...83010293334017

    Johnson believes farm subsidies need to be cut by at least 43%, and possibly abolished.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...83048885121024
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84844365996032

    Johnson believes the death penalty is flawed public policy.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84035033104384

    Johnson would have let the so-called "too big to fail" banks fail.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84233822134272

    Johnson would eliminate all instances on federal government questionnaires asking about your race or skin color.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84305880268800

    Johnson plans on being competitive in Iowa.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84393545416704

    Johnson would look at selling land currently being used as overseas U.S. military bases, as one way to help reduce the national debt.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84529168244736

    Johnson supports rescinding the passport requirement for US-Canada travel.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...84638333390848

    Johnson supports a commodity based currency, such as a gold and/or silver backed currency.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85362555473920

    Johnson, if elected President, would submit legislation to balance the federal budget by 2013.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85374542794752

    One of Johnson's heroes is Milton Friedman.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85585675673600

    Johnson would support a flat tax proposal.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...85989956239361

    Johnson does not believe in the literal, 6-day Creation story in Genesis.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86031064621056

    Johnson believes President Obama violated the Constitution by initiating military action in Libya.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86074123350016

    Johnson believes the trade embargo on Cuba is not working and would look at lifting it.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86306210967552

    Johnson personally believes that abortion should be allowed up until the viability of the fetus, and points out that as Governor of New Mexico, he signed
    legislation banning late term abortions.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86426948198400

    Johnson's favo
    rite book is "The Fountainhead", by Ayn Rand
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...86894109773824


    Johnson
    supports a free market approach to health care reform.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87073068142592

    Johnson's all-time favorite President is Thomas Jefferson.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87375309688832

    Johnson believes rising oil prices are due to shrinking supply and a devaluing Dollar. He places the blame on the Federal Reserve.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87528288538624

    Johnson would pardon Bernard von Nothaus, creator of the Liberty Dollar.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87844329353216

    Johnson would abolish the Departments of Education and HUD.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...87864554274816

    Johnson would never have established the TSA, and would return airline security functions to the private airline companies.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...88048399007744

    Johnson advocates harm reduction strategies for hard drugs (i.e. treating them first as a health issue, not a criminal justice issue).
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...88554827665408

    Johnson believes states should handle all welfare programs, not the federal government.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...88574016610304


    Johnson supports either the Fair Tax or a flat tax, but currently prefers the Fair Tax.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89110493265920

    Johnson would set up a grace period for the 11,000,000 illegal immigrants in America to get a background check adn apply for a work visa, but not a green card or citizenship, so that they can begin paying taxes and being productive.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89213308239872
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...90060599590912

    Johnson adheres to the Austrian School of economics, not Supply Side economics.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89364848431104




    Johnson hopes to get a fair shake from progressive voters.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...89408515330048

    Johnson would try not to cut Social Security, but would raise the retirement age and do means testing.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...90327713832961

    Johnson will not consider an independent or third party bid.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...90902631268353

    Johnson's campaign is working to make all of his campaign speeches viewable online.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...91130910470144

    Johnson hopes to win by communicating directly with as many people as possible.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...91303401226240

    Johnson doesn't think the problem with Wall Street is a lack of regulation, but rather protectionist government policies that favor big corporations.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...91351803490304

    Johnson would stop the creation of any new money and hammer out a balanced budget.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...92307211403264

    Johnson believes that the transparency offered by Wikileaks is a good thing.
    http://twitter.com/#!/GovGaryJohnson...92467651923968
    Key strong points: Executive experience as a successful governor. Veep choice who can say the same. Already known in certain circles as a credible antiwar candidate.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-23-2016 at 12:05 PM.
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    Ron is wrong...
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Amash is wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Key strong points: Executive experience as a successful governor. Veep choice who can say the same. Already known in certain circles as a credible antiwar candidate.
    Key Strong points: NOT Donald Trump. NOT Hillary Clinton.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

  5. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    Key Strong points: NOT Donald Trump. NOT Hillary Clinton.
    Not just a selling point to libertarians any more!
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ron is wrong...
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Amash is wrong...

  6. #5
    But don't you understand?! THE CAKE! THE CAKE!
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie葉hat the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  7. #6
    Possible deal breakers: Thinks businesses that serve the public should do so without prejudice and once told Fox that, provided the Congress called for an intervention against a genuine, ongoing genocide, he just might grant Congress' wish.

    Which, of course, just makes any antiwar coalition with him at the center a stronger deal.
    Last edited by acptulsa; 05-23-2016 at 12:50 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ron is wrong...
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Amash is wrong...

  8. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    Possible deal breakers: Thinks businesses that serve the public should do so without prejudice and once told Fox that, provided the Congress called for an intervention against a genuine, ongoing genocide, he just might grant Congress' wish.
    My understanding is that he believe businesses must offer anti-discriminatory accommodation. Part of the social agreement for opening your business to the public. He doesn't believe a Jewish baker would be forced to bake a cake with a swastika on it but that the Jewish baker could not refuse service to a Nazi in general.

    I personally don't agree with this, but..not a deal-breaker at this point in time.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

  9. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    My understanding is that he believe businesses must offer anti-discriminatory accommodation. Part of the social agreement for opening your business to the public. He doesn't believe a Jewish baker would be forced to bake a cake with a swastika on it but that the Jewish baker could not refuse service to a Nazi in general.

    I personally don't agree with this, but..not a deal-breaker at this point in time.
    He dodged the question, "Would you force priests to bake cakes for gay couples?" in the Blaze debate.

    Its more then just Nazi Cakes.
    The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.

    RON PAUL









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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    My understanding is that he believe businesses must offer anti-discriminatory accommodation. Part of the social agreement for opening your business to the public. He doesn't believe a Jewish baker would be forced to bake a cake with a swastika on it but that the Jewish baker could not refuse service to a Nazi in general.

    I personally don't agree with this, but..not a deal-breaker at this point in time.

    The thing is, we don't even know if that's what he actually believes.. He just says that it logistically a 'black-hole' issue. The vast majority of people aren't going to agree and not just that, they will just assume you are a racist or something and dismiss all of your other ideas.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  12. #10
    It would be nice if there was a transcript of the Joe Rogan interview. It was VERY wide ranging.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie葉hat the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  13. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by younglibertarian View Post
    He dodged the question, "Would you force priests to bake cakes for gay couples?" in the Blaze debate.

    Its more then just Nazi Cakes.
    From his FB:

    In a nationally-televised debate among three of the Libertarian candidates for President (A debate that should, by the way, have been more inclusive of all the candidates.), a highly unlikely hypothetical question was raised about whether a Jewish baker has the right to refuse to serve a Nazi sympathizer asking for a “Nazi cake”. I responded to that question in the legal context of whether a public business has the right to refuse to serve a member of the public, as distasteful as it might be.

    The simple answer to that question is, whether all like it or not, U.S. law has recognized the principle of public accommodation for more than 100 years: The principle that, when a business opens its doors to the public, that business enters into an implied contract to serve ALL of the public. Further, when that business voluntarily opens its doors, the owners voluntarily agree to adhere to applicable laws and regulations -- whether they like those laws or not.

    To be clear, anti-discrimination laws do not, and cannot, abridge fundamental First Amendment rights. I know of no one who reasonably disagrees. In the highly unlikely event that a Nazi would demand that a Jewish baker decorate a cake with a Nazi symbol, the courts, common sense, and common decency -- not to mention the First Amendment -- all combine to protect that baker from having to do so. It’s not an issue, except when distorted for purposes of gotcha politics.

    Does a public bakery have to sell a cake to a Nazi? Probably so. Does that bakery have to draw a swastika on it? Absolutely not. And that’s the way it should be.

    Of course, we all know that this conversation is really “code” for the current, and far more real, conversation about society’s treatment of LGBT individuals. I have even heard some talk of a “right to discriminate”. And of course, we have states and municipalities today trying to create a real right to discriminate against the LGBT community on religious grounds -- the same kinds of “religious” grounds that were used to defend racial segregation, forbid interracial marriages and, yes, defend discrimination against Jews by businesses. That is not a slope Libertarians want to go down.

    Once again, my belief that discrimination on the basis of religion should not be allowed has been distorted by some to suggest that a legitimate church or its clergy should be “forced” to perform a same-sex marriage. That is absurd. The various ballot initiatives I supported across the country to repeal bans on same-sex marriage all had one provision in common: A specific provision making clear that no religious organization, priest or pastor could be required to perform any rite contrary to that organization’s or individual’s faith. That protection was supported almost universally by the LGBT community -- even though most legal scholars agreed that such a protection already exists in the Constitution. We just wanted to leave no doubt.
    Again I don't necessarily agree with him. I believe that government cannot be discriminatory but that businesses should be allowed to serve who or what they choose to. I believe in the old business adage "We reserve the right to refuse service." But it is not a deal breaker for me.
    Theye have refused their Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    Theye have erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

    Theye kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies

    Theye have combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution,

    For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

    For cutting off our Trade with parts of the world:

    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

    Theye plundered and destroyed the lives of our people.

    Theye are at this time transporting Armies of Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy of a civilized nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phill4paul View Post
    From his FB:



    Again I don't necessarily agree with him. I believe that government cannot be discriminatory but that businesses should be allowed to serve who or what they choose to. I believe in the old business adage "We reserve the right to refuse service." But it is not a deal breaker for me.
    I see where you are coming from but honestly the right to discriminate is a basic subject in the LP.

    I bet even Donald Trump supports the right to discriminate.

    Another negative I would ad is personality and speaking ability.
    The most important element of a free society, where individual rights are held in the highest esteem, is the rejection of the initiation of violence.

    RON PAUL







  15. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by younglibertarian View Post
    I see where you are coming from but honestly the right to discriminate is a basic subject in the LP.
    Unfortunately that's part of the reason why they get very little support. They are right, but America had some bad experiences with discrimination within a lot of people's lifetimes and while much of it was institutional people aren't ready for those ideas just yet.

    It's better to start with the popular ideas like reigning in our foreign empire, shrinking the federal govt, ending the war on drugs, privacy and civil liberties, abolish the IRS, etc.. Gary Johnson will be the most palatable for Bernie Sanders supporters because of this.
    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


    "Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  16. #14
    The intellectual case for free private, non-violent discrimination is strong (IMO irrefutable). The emotional case for it in Electionland is devastatingly weak and a surefire fast track to the political sidelines for not just a candidate, but also for anything called "libertarian" as a political force now and in the future. Virtually anybody with oppression in their ethnic or social heritage and anybody who sympathizes with them will immediately turn away from a pro-discrimination argument in disgust. And for good reason - collectivism is disgusting.

    I deplore collectivism. Action toward an individual because of a group they belong to is repulsive. But I acknowledge the right of people to do what they like with their own property. I'm convinced that GJ does too. Cakegate is the textbook definition of a pointless distraction. Anybody still worried about the cake needs to read post #2 top to bottom and honestly ask themselves if they think GJ is going to make anybody bake anything at gunpoint.

    I understand why people don't like his communication style. He sounds a little like Jon Lovitz to me. But he's a funny, smart and personable guy. I would rather listen to him talk for 1,000,000,000 days straight than suffer through 2 minutes of Hillary or trump's screeching.

    I like McAfee and Petersen too. They're good candidates.

    Here's another link to the Rogan podcast. Check it out instead of 3 episodes of some stupid MSM TV show you were going to waste you're time on. http://wearelibertarians.com/garyonrogan/
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie葉hat the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  17. #15
    Johnson says illegal aliens should be allowed to come in and get a work visa. Only requirement should be a Social Security card and a background check. Social Security card for illegal aliens?? Non-citizens should get social security?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=YsrDLFxHh7k

    Johnson would set up a grace period for the 11,000,000 illegal immigrants in America to get a background check and apply for a work visa, but not a green card or citizenship, so that they can begin paying taxes and being productive.
    There's one hell of a lot more than 11K illegal aliens (they've been using that number for 20 years) and unless he wants to reward them for their actions, they need to leave and apply like those who did not break our immigration laws.

    Essentially, he is for open borders.
    https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-...and-rand-paul/

    Johnson, like most lefties, agrees with war, that has 0 to do with our national defense, as long as it is for "humanitarian" reasons. In the video, starts at 2:26.
    http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/20...ary-game-plan/

    Last year, The Weekly Standard reported that Johnson told the publication that he supported the concept of waging wars for humanitarian reasons despite wanting to cut the military budget by nearly half. Asked whether he stood by that, Johnson said he did.
    This is also in the video in his own words, in the last link given above.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/th...oreign-policy/
    http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/11/ga...cy-libertarian


    Johnson wants to maintain bases in the Middle East, even though he says there are no military threats against the U.S.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/th...oreign-policy/


    Pro-choice
    A qualified yes. Johnson believes that a woman has the right to decide on the matter until a point of the viability of the fetus has been reached. As Governor of New Mexico, Johnson signed a law that banned late term abortion.
    Does this mean that in his eyes, abortion is fine and dandy until the point that the baby could live on its own outside of the mother's body?
    http://2012.presidential-candidates....n/Abortion.php

    Won't take drone strikes off the table.
    Johnson said that while he wants to end the war in Afghanistan, that doesn’t mean he would necessarily stop drone attacks against terrorists in Pakistan or Yemen, even though he believes they create more enemies than they kill.

    “I would want leave all options on the table,” Johnson said....
    http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/11/ga...cy-libertarian
    https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-...and-rand-paul/

    Johnson also apparently very much believes in school vouchers. While this may sound good on the surface, as long as the federal government is involved in education, when a school accepts a voucher, they are under the thumb of the federal government. This means private schools too; they no longer could make their own decisions what they teach.
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

    Johnson would never have established the TSA, and would return airline security functions to the private airline companies.
    Actually, the Senator who wrote the bill said years ago that he regretted writing it and let everyone know that they can toss out the TSA and the airlines can have their own security. So, this is a state issue. Texas voted on it before Cruz ran for the U.S. Senate and missed it only because the Lt. Governor stood in its way.

    I looked for his position on the Trans Pacific Partnership and couldn't find it. This should be a very important issue to anyone claiming to want liberty.
    https://www.lp.org/news/press-releas...overnments-and

    Johnson backs same-sex marriage, enforced at the federal level, apparently.
    “Government exists to protect civil liberties and constitutional rights – not to pick and choose among those Americans who should have those rights. Denying same-sex couples the right to marry under the law is government-sanctioned discrimination.”
    https://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/liber...n-gay-marriage

    Johnson supports rescinding the passport requirement for US-Canada travel.
    I would like to know more about this, because that is aligned with the whole North American Union idea. And that ain't good, if you care about national sovereignty and not wanting a governing body above our own sorry Congress, at the NA Union level.

    These are my initial concerns...


    And then there are these...
    Gary Johnson Disputes Rand Paul’s Libertarian Cred
    http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/27/ga...-pauls-liberta
    Last edited by LibertyEagle; 05-23-2016 at 03:56 PM.
    ================
    Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal or why only dumbasses and cultural marxists are for it.

    Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America

    The Property Basis of Rights

  18. #16
    • In a March 2011 interview, Gary Johnson said that although he supported free trade, most free trade agreements at the time were products of "corporatism." He said that "the criticism of NAFTA should be rooted in the fact that big business became even bigger business."[2][3]
    • https://ballotpedia.org/Gary_Johnson_presidential_campaign,_2016/International_trade

    Johnson supports free trade and opposes tariffs, "period." He believes free market trade corrects inequities between trading partners, such as foreign countries' subsidies for certain industries.[7]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...f_Gary_Johnson


    So much of the legislation we passed isn't really free market at all. It's touted as free market. When the reality is it ends up to be corporatism where one business gets and advantage over another. This is something I witnessed this as governor of NM, I'd like to think I'd veto that kind of legislation. I was always looking at business legislation from the standpoint of having it affect everyone equally as opposed to big business getting bigger than they already are.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...e-veto-d-NAFTA

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

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    That doesn't answer the question of the TPA/TPP. I think we should have a defacto answer.
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  21. #18
    Opposition to "managed trade deals" is part and parcel of the LP platform.


    https://www.lp.org/news/press-releas...overnments-and
    Press Release

    For Immediate Release Friday, June 19, 2015





    “The Libertarian Party opposes TPP and other secretive pacts being negotiated between the U.S. and countries worldwide, including the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), and the Trade In Services Agreement (TISA),” said Sarwark. “The Libertarian Party supports free trade with all people and countries around the world. Real free trade is the reduction of barriers and the de-escalation of trade wars -- not secret negotiations over winners and losers.”

    “The vast majority of job losses in America did not result from trade agreements,” he continued. “The real culprits are the politicians and special interests who push for onerous government regulations, high taxes, and trade barriers that weaken American companies and which also prohibit American families from openly and freely shopping for the best buys for their families.”

    “To actually help the American economy, we should simply repeal laws and withdraw from trade agreements that violate the Constitution or restrict free and open trade. This will stimulate the American economy, preserve and expand our diminishing freedoms, and maintain our sovereignty as a nation,"
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    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  22. #19
    Not crazy about some of his stances, especially on "humanitarian" wars but...




    Edited to add: I met him a few years ago and he's a very nice man. He hugged me. Maybe he's related to HB34.
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    This intellectually stimulating conversation is the reason I keep coming here.

  23. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    That doesn't answer the question of the TPA/TPP. I think we should have a defacto answer.
    Yeah it does. He's anti-corporatist, the very opposite of both Hillary and trump. Any other conclusion from his past statements is obtuse.
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie葉hat the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018

  24. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    Yeah it does. He's anti-corporatist, the very opposite of both Hillary and trump. Any other conclusion from his past statements is obtuse.
    He also claims to be anti-war, doesn't he? Yet, he won't take drone strikes off the table, believes in "humanitarian" wars and doesn't want to close bases around the world.
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  25. #22
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  26. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Johnson, like most lefties, agrees with war, that has 0 to do with our national defense, as long as it is for "humanitarian" reasons. In the video, starts at 2:26.
    http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/20...ary-game-plan/
    Daniel Larison at American Conservative also sees a lot to be supportive of in Johnson's statements, even if they lack Paulian coherence:
    He endorses the decision to send soldiers to aid in combating the remnants of the LRA in central Africa, but that appears to be the extent of his support for recent decisions justified on humanitarian grounds. For those concerned about his endorsement of humanitarian intervention, I would remind them hat Johnson opposed the war in Libya from the beginning. I have not been able to find any evidence that he has taken a position for or against intervention in Syria. Presumably, his objections to the Libyan war would apply in that case as well, but we simply don’t know his position. It’s possible that Johnson endorses such interventions in principle, but rarely sees a situation where U.S. intervention would be desirable. The very minimal deployment in central Africa qualifies, but larger and riskier military actions do not.
    ..

    'We endorse the idea of voluntarism; self-responsibility: Family, friends, and churches to solve problems, rather than saying that some monolithic government is going to make you take care of yourself and be a better person. It's a preposterous notion: It never worked, it never will. The government can't make you a better person; it can't make you follow good habits.' - Ron Paul 1988

    Awareness is the Root of Liberation Revolution is Action upon Revelation

    'Resistance and Disobedience in Economic Activity is the Most Moral Human Action Possible' - SEK3

    Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

    ...the familiar ritual of institutional self-absolution...
    ...for protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment...


  27. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    He also claims to be anti-war, doesn't he? Yet, he won't take drone strikes off the table, believes in "humanitarian" wars and doesn't want to close bases around the world.
    That's true. Give him a B+. Although I think when you add in all the non-interventionist positives he deserves a strong A-.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary...ar_+_Peace.htm
    Partisan politics, misleading or emotional bill titles, and 4D chess theories are manifestations of the same lie葉hat the text of the Constitution, the text of legislation, and plain facts do not matter; what matters is what you want to believe. From this comes hypocrisy. And where hypocrisy thrives, virtue recedes. Without virtue, liberty dies. - Justin Amash, March 2018



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    Quote Originally Posted by cajuncocoa View Post
    Priests bake cakes?
    They do now

    "He's talkin' to his gut like it's a person!!" -me
    "dumpster diving isn't professional." - angelatc


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    "Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

  30. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by undergroundrr View Post
    That's true. Give him a B+. Although I think when you add in all the non-interventionist positives he deserves a strong A-.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary...ar_+_Peace.htm
    Drones, not shutting down bases, "humanitarian" excuses for wars... Doesn't sound like an A to me. Did you watch this video? http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/20...ary-game-plan/

    His supposed principle seemed to fly out the window, when questioned.
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  31. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Johnson says illegal aliens should be allowed to come in and get a work visa. Only requirement should be a Social Security card and a background check. Social Security card for illegal aliens?? Non-citizens should get social security?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=YsrDLFxHh7k


    There's one hell of a lot more than 11K illegal aliens (they've been using that number for 20 years) and unless he wants to reward them for their actions, they need to leave and apply like those who did not break our immigration laws.

    Essentially, he is for open borders.
    https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-...and-rand-paul/
    It isn't open borders unless he's giving away citizenship, which he is not. And work visas certainly won't be a dime a dozen, unless and until he gives us the freedom to resurrect the economy.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Johnson, like most lefties, agrees with war, that has 0 to do with our national defense, as long as it is for "humanitarian" reasons. In the video, starts at 2:26.
    http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/20...ary-game-plan/


    This is also in the video in his own words, in the last link given above.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/th...oreign-policy/
    http://reason.com/blog/2012/04/11/ga...cy-libertarian


    Johnson wants to maintain bases in the Middle East, even though he says there are no military threats against the U.S.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/09/th...oreign-policy/
    You are arguing this stuff, yet all the evidence proves that Trump will be orders of magnitude worse. Did you notice that he was talking about IF Congress votes to intervene? At least he's actually being Constitutional about it, which is a refreshing change--and nothing either Trump or Clinton has promised to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Does this mean that in his eyes, abortion is fine and dandy until the point that the baby could live on its own outside of the mother's body?
    http://2012.presidential-candidates....n/Abortion.php
    Well, we knew about this one. And I don't think anyone believes Trump's flip flop on the issue, any more than smart people believed either Bush when they promised to do something about the subject.

    But, in fact, with Johnson and the LP we do stand some chance of getting this can kicked to the states. And we do stand a chance of being relieved of the 'honor' of paying for abortions with our federal taxes. Which puts him head and shoulders above the competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Who will? Even Ron Paul wouldn't take letters of marque and reprisal off the table. Come on, you know perfectly well that if he did flatly promise not to ever go after any rogue terrorist ever under any circumstances, you'd be howling like a fire truck.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Johnson also apparently very much believes in school vouchers. While this may sound good on the surface, as long as the federal government is involved in education, when a school accepts a voucher, they are under the thumb of the federal government. This means private schools too; they no longer could make their own decisions what they teach.
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm
    And how does he feel about Common Core? Has he spoken out against ED (otherwise known as the Department of Education? Why, yes. Yes he has. And have Clinton or Trump? Why, no. No, they haven't.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Actually, the Senator who wrote the bill said years ago that he regretted writing it and let everyone know that they can toss out the TSA and the airlines can have their own security. So, this is a state issue. Texas voted on it before Cruz ran for the U.S. Senate and missed it only because the Lt. Governor stood in its way.
    It isn't a state issue until we get someone libertarian enough in Washington to pry Washington's nose out of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I looked for his position on the Trans Pacific Partnership and couldn't find it. This should be a very important issue to anyone claiming to want liberty.
    https://www.lp.org/news/press-releas...overnments-and
    I don't think any of us are going to confuse trade agreements with the loss of sovereignty, and would hope none stoop to trying to confuse the two.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Johnson backs same-sex marriage, enforced at the federal level, apparently.

    https://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/liber...n-gay-marriage
    Well, Ron Paul wanted no government involvement in marriage at all, which would have been the same thing on a practical level. Fact is, if the government and e corporations didn't have the issues of family benefits and survivor benefits all tied up in a trillion pages of stupid regulations, it wouldn't even be an issue. And neither of the other candidates will be doing anything about that any time soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    I would like to know more about this, because that is aligned with the whole North American Union idea. And that ain't good, if you care about national sovereignty and not wanting a governing body above our own sorry Congress, at the NA Union level.
    Yeah, we know. We know you're so paranoid about it you're concerned about the elimination of passport requirements to cross the U.S.-Canadian border. Even though you seem to think things were fine prior to 1989, and prior to 1989 no passport was required to cross the U.S.-Canadian border. I don't think those two things are as closely intertwined as you like to let on.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    These are my initial concerns...


    And then there are these...

    http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/27/ga...-pauls-liberta
    Oh, well. Let's automatically dismiss everyone who ever said anything nasty about Rand or Ron Paul. Please.

    Considering how often Trump has done just that, I think we'd all breathe a big sigh of relief.

    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Drones, not shutting down bases, "humanitarian" excuses for wars... Doesn't sound like an A to me. Did you watch this video? http://www.foxnews.com/transcript/20...ary-game-plan/

    His supposed principle seemed to fly out the window, when questioned.
    He will give consideration to military action when the Congress votes for some of it. Sounds like a respect for the Constitution to me. Or did you tune out the part where he stipulated, if Congress says so? Or the part of the Constitution where it says giving Congress' call for military action due consideration?

    Sounds principled to me. Why are you holding him to principles when Trump has no principles at all? Is this supposed to be a comparative selling point?
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    Ron is wrong...
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    Amash is wrong...

  32. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by acptulsa View Post
    You are arguing this stuff, yet all the evidence proves that Trump will be orders of magnitude worse. Did you notice that he was talking about IF Congress votes to intervene? At least he's actually being Constitutional about it, which is a refreshing change--and nothing either Trump or Clinton has promised to do.
    Wait a minute. So now, you're arguing that Johnson is the lesser of three evils?
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  33. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyEagle View Post
    Wait a minute. So now, you're arguing that Johnson is the lesser of three evils?
    I said he was Constitutionalist enough to take seriously a demand for military action from the duly elected Congress of the United States. Like with drone strikes, taking anything off the table is a way to tie your hands and let your enemies know how to jack with you. He's not stupid enough to do that. Even if he has no intention of doing it, it would be stupid to take it off the table.

    You will read into that whatever you wish. But be careful how you go about the forum libeling me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    Ron is wrong...
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    Amash is wrong...

  34. #30
    Johnson is not under criminal investigation. He has that over Trump and Clinton.

    Johnson isn't perfect. But he's a decent guy and honest. I have no interest in nitpicking his policy, it's close enough for me.

    Johnson and Weld is a formidable ticket. The LP would be foolish not to nominate them. 2 former governors switching parties and running can't be ignored by the media. Nobody expects them to win, but they could get the 5%.

    I look forward to voting for them.

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