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    50 reasons to donate to Hostettler April 22

    50 Reasons for Ron Paul supporters to donate $50 to the Hostettler money bomb, April 22, helping to raise $50,000 in one day:

    1) Ron Paul has endorsed John Hostettler for Senate.
    2) Hostettler voted Ron Paul in the 2008 presidential primary and said he would do it again in 2012.
    3) Hostettler, like Ron Paul, voted for Chuck Baldwin in the 2008 presidential election.
    4) Hostettler voted against the Iraq War, and argued for that vote from the House floor in a speech that articulated a clear noninterventionist foreign policy.
    5) Hostettler continued to stand up for that policy, writing a book against the Iraq war, which Ron Paul highly recommends.
    6) Hostettler’s record of noninterventionist foreign policy extends back into the Clinton years as well, when he opposed intervention in Kosovo.
    7) Hostettler speaks against fear mongering about Iran and the popular belligerent talk against that nation. He was also one of only 6 Republicans in 2006 to vote against a resolution “To Hold the Current Regime in Iran Accountable for Its Threatening Behavior and to Support a Transition to Democracy in Iran.”
    8) Hostettler is against all foreign aid.
    9) Hostettler voted against Medicare Part D. In fact, Ron Paul and John Hostettler are the only 2 Republicans to have voted against both the Iraq War and Medicare Part D.
    10) Hostettler explicitly opposes all federal exercise of powers not among those enumerated in the Constitution.
    11) Hostettler voted against No Child Left Behind.
    12) Hostettler authored a bill to end federal income tax withholding.
    13) Hostettler said while in office and continues to say that he supports total elimination of the federal income tax.
    14) Hostettler sponsored bills to eliminate the Department of Education.
    15) Hostettler sponsored bills to eliminate the Department of Energy.
    16) Hostettler sponsored bills to eliminate the Department of Commerce.
    17) Hostettler has stated publicly that he supports auditing and even abolishing the Federal Reserve.
    18) One of Hostettler’s first acts in Congress was signing on as a sponsor of legislation to repeal the Brady Bill and assault weapons ban.
    19) Hostettler authored a bill to facilitate reciprocity of concealed carry permits between states that respected the 10th Amendment and did not include national standards.
    20) Hostettler singlehandedly shut down a deal between the Clinton administration and Smith & Wesson that would have used the power of the Executive branch to bypass the legislature and impose regulations on the ownership and sales of guns by manipulating the market for guns in its awarding of government contracts. Hostettler did this by a series of amendments introduced into appropriations bills.
    21) Hostettler has demonstrated that he shares Ron Paul’s commitment to shutting down judicial activism by leading Congress to exercise its constitutionally enumerated power of making regulations and exceptions for the jurisdiction of the judicial branch. Ron Paul has done this with his We the People Act and Sanctity of Life Act, and Hostettler did it with the Public Expressions of Religion Act, which he authored and successfully got to be voted on and passed in the House of Representatives (later to be rejected by the Senate), as well as the Marriage Protection Act of 2003, and various amendments to appropriations bills over the years legislating that no funds be used in the enforcement of activist court decisions.
    22) Hostettler is pro-life.
    23) Hostettler supports repealing Obamacare.
    24) Hostettler joins Ron Paul in supporting the use of earmarks.
    25) Hostettler voted against warrantless wiretaps.
    26) Hostettler voted against the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.
    27) Hostettler opposes a national ID card.
    28) Hostettler voted against every so-called free trade agreement that was brought to a vote in his tenure in Congress.
    29) Hostettler sponsored a bill to withdraw from the World Trade Organization.
    30) Hostettler led the fight in the immigration subcommittee of the House judiciary committee to keep the House from passing the amnesty for illegal immigrants that President Bush supported, after that bill had passed the Senate.
    31) Hostettler cosponsored Ron Paul’s amendments to appropriations bills for defunding the United Nations.
    32) Hostettler voted against the $52 Billion Katrina aid package.
    33) Even on issues where Hostettler disagrees with Ron Paul, he always gives clear, well-thought-out, principled, Constitution-based reasons for those differences. This can be seen in his interview with the Indiana state coordinator of the Campaign for Liberty. Ron Paul expresses his own appreciation for this quality of Hostettler’s in his endorsement.
    34) Hostettler has stood many times in defiance of the wishes of his own party’s leadership.
    35) Hostettler is recognized by friend and foe as a champion of the Constitution.
    36) In the Senate Hostettler will vote on and question judicial nominees. He will be able to bring to bear in this questioning a level of seriousness about the Constitution that no current senator has.
    37) In the Senate Hostettler will be able to exercise much more influence than what just one member of the House of Representatives can exercise.
    38) Hostettler refused PAC money for all 7 of his House races.
    39) Hostettler would make a great ally for Rand Paul in the Senate.
    40) In 2008 Ron Paul had zero endorsements from any sitting members of the House or Senate. He could have at least two endorsements of sitting senators if we elect Hostettler.
    41) Hostettler is polling neck-and-neck with the GOP establishment pick, Dan Coats.
    42) Hostettler polls better than every other Republican candidate against Brad Ellsworth in the general election matchup.
    43) It is widely believed that the reason Coats was recruited back to Indiana to run again was out of fear of the party leaders having to deal with an uncompromising constitutional conservative like Hostettler. The timing of the Republican leaders’ recruiting of Mike Pence and then Dan Coats to run, right after a poll had shown Hostettler within the margin of error in a general election matchup against Evan Bayh, combined with the fact that every single general election poll shows Hostettler performing better than Coats against every possible Democrat opponent, suggests that to be the case.
    44) Hostettler sponsored a bill allowing parents not to get social security numbers for their children without having to forego their tax deduction.
    45) When most Republicans voted to end the government shutdown of 1996 by passing the unbalanced budget Clinton wanted them to (driven in part by the presidential aspirations of Bob Dole), Hostettler was one of only a handful of Republicans to vote against it.
    46) Anti-war Republican congressman, Walter Jones says, “The president [Bush] was calling people as late as 1 or 2 in the morning to get them to vote for the Medicare prescription drug benefit, John voted his conscience first, not his party…. I admire him so much. He knows more about the Constitution than almost anyone in Congress.”
    47) The RNC member who was most active in recruiting Dan Coats, Jim Bopp, was the very same one who orchestrated the last minute rules change for the Indiana Republican state convention in 2008 that was used to prevent Ron Paul supporting delegates from exercising any influence on the delegate selection process there.
    48) In legislation that Hostettler supports pursuant to his staunch socially conservative beliefs, he always takes an approach that is consistent with the 10th Amendment.
    49) There were only 3 Republican senators who voted against the confirmation of Ruth Bader Ginsburg to the Supreme Court. If Hostettler were in the Senate for that vote, he would have been #4.
    50) There were only 17 Republican Congressmen who opposed all 5 bailouts of 2008-2009. If Hostettler were in Congress at that time, he would have been #18.
    Last edited by erowe1; 04-19-2010 at 03:58 PM.



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    Sounds great but I hear his record is not as immaculate as Ron Paul's...what were some of his few mistakes?
    Don't get me wrong, I'll be sending him a donation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qh4dotcom View Post
    Sounds great but I hear his record is not as immaculate as Ron Paul's...what were some of his few mistakes?
    Don't get me wrong, I'll be sending him a donation.
    Some of your concerns are discussed below:
    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=240716.

    Let's try to keep this thread positive.

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    Hostettler is more conservative than Rand and that's saying something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qh4dotcom View Post
    Sounds great but I hear his record is not as immaculate as Ron Paul's...what were some of his few mistakes?
    Don't get me wrong, I'll be sending him a donation.
    Nobody's record was the same as Ron Paul's. The biggest marks against Hostettler from a RP-supporter's standpoint are his support for the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act, I think. I've seen other things people point out from time to time that I consider kind of nit picky compared to those.

    A lot of RP supporters around Indiana have appreciated the way Hostettler has explained those votes when asked. Even if they still disagree they can tell he has principled reasons for his view, and that when he talks about it, he's clearly not pandering to them even though he knows he's saying something they don't like. Here's an interview he did with the Indiana state CFL coordinator where they talk a fair amount about the Patriot Act.
    http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=34662

    Let me know if that link comes up for you. I'm not sure if you have to be an Indiana CFL member to see it. It's on youtube, but my browser just crashed twice when I tried to get it from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post

    Let me know if that link comes up for you. I'm not sure if you have to be an Indiana CFL member to see it.
    Link working out of Indiana. Not even a neighbor to Indiana.

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    Someone on Facebook replied to this list by calling Hostettler a lunatic, which served to remind me of reason #51.

    Hostettler once said that the right to keep and bear arms has no limits, including nuclear weapons.



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    9) Hostettler voted against Medicare Part D. In fact, Ron Paul and John Hostettler are the only 2 Republicans to have voted against both the Iraq War and Medicare Part D.

    Ron needs to urgently go to Indiana and help him and campaign for him

    We need John Hostettler in the Senate !!

    The good outweighs the bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by itshappening View Post
    9) Hostettler voted against Medicare Part D. In fact, Ron Paul and John Hostettler are the only 2 Republicans to have voted against both the Iraq War and Medicare Part D.

    Ron needs to urgently go to Indiana and help him and campaign for him

    We need John Hostettler in the Senate !!

    The good outweighs the bad
    RP has already done a lot. I don't know if Hostettler would be comfortable personally asking him for more favors. That aspect of politics is not the kind of thing he really seems to like to do. But I've emailed Jesse Benton from time to time begging for more help. I don't want to overdo that either.

    But if others want to join in, and try to grease the wheels, I'm sure it would help. An email to RP's whole list some time on the night of the 21st or during the day on the 22nd would do more for the money bomb than the collective efforts of what every Hostettler supporter is doing right now to spread the word about it.

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    Yeah an email touting Hostettler on the 22nd or any other time would be perfect.

    Keep begging Erowe, this is important

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    Anybody hear have a good relationship with Benton or anyone else who has access to any huge email lists of RP supporters?

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    what about contacting the Hostettler campaign to contact Ron Paul? The Hostettler campaign sure has access.

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    #51 You can finally call a Senator "The Hoss"
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister


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    Quote Originally Posted by low preference guy View Post
    what about contacting the Hostettler campaign to contact Ron Paul? The Hostettler campaign sure has access.
    They definitely do have access. I hope they try. I've suggested it. But I wouldn't count on it happening. And if we have any other cards to play in the grassroots, we need to play them.
    Last edited by erowe1; 04-19-2010 at 07:23 PM.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    #51 You can finally call a Senator "The Hoss"
    He pronounces it with a long "o" though.

    I think a good slogan would be, "Don't get hosed. Get Hostettler."

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    Liberty and personal freedom bump!

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    Reason #53,

    Hostettler consistently scored among the top 3 members of Congress in the Freedom Index (formerly called the Conservative Index) of the John Birch Society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    He pronounces it with a long "o" though.

    I think a good slogan would be, "Don't get hosed. Get Hostettler."
    Yeah you told me that once already, and I am still ignoring the clarification.
    "Your mother's dead, before long I'll be dead, and you...and your brother and your sister and all of her children, all of us dead, all of us..rotting in the ground. It's the family name that lives on. It's all that lives on. Not your personal glory, not your honor, but family." - Tywin Lannister


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yeah you told me that once already, and I am still ignoring the clarification.
    That's fine. The Hoss works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowlesy View Post
    Yeah you told me that once already, and I am still ignoring the clarification.
    Haha, nice.
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

    We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. ~Congressman Larry McDonald.

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    Seriously, the main thing is to have Ron Paul send an email to his WHOLE list.
    I don't care if it's uncomfortable to ask for favors. Does he want to win or not?



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    Quote Originally Posted by MRoCkEd View Post
    Seriously, the main thing is to have Ron Paul send an email to his WHOLE list.
    I don't care if it's uncomfortable to ask for favors. Does he want to win or not?
    I think the parties involved have talked about it and the ball is in RP's court. I don't expect him to do it. But some more messages from grassroots supporters of his, expressing support for Hostettler and the money bomb, might be what it takes. I don't think there's any more Hostettler can do. I don't expect him to beg.

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    He should beg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRoCkEd View Post
    He should beg.
    I think we should worry about the things we can control rather than the things we can't.

    Incidentally, when I first called Liberty PAC to ask about endorsing Hostettler, the lady who answered just gave me Jesse Benton's email address and phone number right over the phone. So if anybody wants to put in a good word for the cause, the channels are there to get the message through.

    The Liberty PAC phone # is 1-800-RON-PAUL (1-800-766-7285).

    And the Liberty PAC email address (which is not the one she gave me for Jesse, but it might go to him) is info@libertypac.net.

    Also, even if we don't get RP to mail his whole nationwide list, don't be pessimistic. We'll get a good amount of donations from within Indiana. If 500 in-state people donate an average of $75 each, then that's $37,500 right there. If we want to push that up to $50k, that just leaves us to get the word out to enough people around the country without RP's help to pull in another $12,500. That's all very doable.
    Last edited by erowe1; 04-20-2010 at 03:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erowe1 View Post
    I think we should worry about the things we can control rather than the things we can't.

    Incidentally, when I first called Liberty PAC to ask about endorsing Hostettler, the lady who answered just gave me Jesse Benton's email address and phone number right over the phone. So if anybody wants to put in a good word for the cause, the channels are there to get the message through.

    The Liberty PAC phone # is 1-800-RON-PAUL (1-800-766-7285).

    And the Liberty PAC email address (which is not the one she gave me for Jesse, but it might go to him) is info@libertypac.net.

    Also, even if we don't get RP to mail his whole nationwide list, don't be pessimistic. We'll get a good amount of donations from within Indiana. If 500 in-state people donate an average of $75 each, then that's $37,500 right there. If we want to push that up to $50k, that just leaves us to get the word out to enough people around the country without RP's help to pull in another $12,500. That's all very doable.

    We on here should be able to get Hostettler 50K the day after tomorrow.
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

    We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. ~Congressman Larry McDonald.

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    Reason #54 - this book review:

    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?not...61027&comments

    Many Republican candidates are attacking President Obama this year, but John Hostettler is the only one to criticize Obama for abandoning the anti-war lobby. According to the Evansville newspaper, he "accused Obama of abandoning his anti-Iraq War views. 'The one person, the one person who can get us out, who has unilateral authority to get us out, doesn't want to,' he said."

    Book Review by Gregory Hilton
    Former Congressman John Hostettler (IN) is now running for the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate. He is in a primary with former Senator Dan Coats and State Senator Marlin Stutzman. The incumbent Democrat Evan Bayh surprised everyone by announcing his retirement on the day before the filing deadline. The GOP now has an excellent chance to capture this open seat.
    Hostettler describes himself as "very conservative" but on foreign policy and national security issues his outlook is similar to the extreme left of the Democratic Party. There is little difference between the isolationist foreign policy he advocates and the viewpoint of anti-war activists Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan.
    Yesterday, Hostettler's campagin was endorsed by Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), the 1988 Libertarian Party presidential candidate. The Texan noted:
    'John was a good friend and valuable ally . . when we served together in the House of Representatives. I always knew I could count on John.' In a review of the book Paul said 'My friend and former colleague John Hostettler, who was one of the few Republicans to oppose the Iraqi War, not only demolishes the 'official' justifications for attacking Iraq, but he demonstrates why true conservatives should have joined John and myself in opposing the war. I urge all Campaign for Liberty members, and anyone who wishes to understand how America was neoconned into the Iraq war, to read John's book.'

    In 2002 Hostettler was one of only six Republicans to vote against the Iraq war resolution. He is a disciple of Pat Buchanan and says we were in Iraq because of the influence of people "with Jewish backgrounds." The lead review of this book on Amazon praises the book by saying:
    The immense Jewish lobby, and their legions of Jewish public servants that have positioned themselves at all levels in our government, have basically taken over the foreign policy of our USA. They have wrongly directed us into this useless, unnecessary war, that may never end. We should condemn such an 'invasion' of our government by persons that have strong loyalties to countries other than our own. . .The entire world agrees that the USA is nothing more than an arm of Tel Aviv. . . Bravo to Rep. Hostettler for his brave stand.

    Hostettler says he is against RINO's (Republicans in Name Only), but he appears to be a RINO himself. He completely disagrees with the GOP platform on foreign policy and opposes the U.S. mission in Iraq and Afghanistan. The book contains many quotes from the founding fathers, but he clearly does not understand their intentions.
    The American revolution was won at Yorktown but there were more French soldiers than American. The author says George Washington's farewell address is his guiding principle, but the Founders were not isolationists. Washington's advice was wise for the years after the French revolution and before the war of 1812.
    We should not have been choosing sides between France and Britain which was the hallmark of the campaign when our first president left office. In the same speech Washington advised against the creation of political parties. The Constitution of 1789 allowed slavery and women were denied the right right to vote. We have a different outlook from the time Washington spoke in 1796.
    Hostettler wants to ignore the lessons of the 20th century, and is completely opposed to the Republican Party's freedom agenda. He wants to end America’s system of collective security, which probably would have avoided both World Wars I and II. He acknowledges Afghanistan’s responsibility for 9/11 and admits Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, but Hostettler never wants to do anything in response. In fact, he wants to ignore all evil in the world. He wanted to do nothing about the genocide in Darfur or the ethnic cleaning in the former Yugoslavia.
    Morality means nothing to him, and he wants to ignore all of the state sponsors of terror. His repeated insistence that "There is no risk of somebody invading us" is just what the isolationists of the 1930s believed -- right up until Pearl Harbor. They did attack us: 1993 (WTC I), 1996 (Khobar Towers), 1998 (African Embassies), 2000 (USS Cole), and 2001 (WTC/Pentagon). Their logic would have caused the US to lift not a finger to help Europe against Hitler (remember: "non-intervention"), nor help the West Berliners (1948), nor help the South Koreans (1950), nor help the Grenadians (1984), nor help the Kuwaitis (1990).
    Hostettler's idea that we can maintain peace by halting our projection of military strength has been proven wrong by history. Many Republicans are attacking President Obama this year, but Hostettler is the only to criticize Obama for abandoning the anti-war lobby. He "accused Obama of abandoning his anti-Iraq War views. 'The one person, the one person who can get us out, who has unilateral authority to get us out, doesn't want to,' he said." Many of Hostettler's appearances have been sponsored by "Veterans for Peace."
    Many of the observations about Hostettler in the "Hoosier Hopeful" article in the isolationist "American Conservative" magazine are accurate. It says Hostettler "is unapologetic about his disagreements with neoconservatives. 'The neocons know what a Senator Hostettler would mean,' he says. 'They would rather have Evan Bayh as the lead sponsor of sanctions against Iran, bringing us to the brink of war or a Republican who would do the same thing.' Hostettler argues, 'They want to mold the Republican Party’s image on foreign policy, and I am not of that mold.' . . . Foreign policy is likely to remain a hotly debated topic in the general election, where the probable Democratic replacements for Bayh are all centrists not known for their antiwar views. But first, Hostettler will have to get there."

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    In one word, "badass."

    http://www.johnhostettler.com/?p=697

    John spent 12 years representing the 8th District of Indiana in the U.S. House of Representatives, and during those 12 years he voted on principle. When the establishment wanted him to vote a certain way, they knew they couldn’t convince John to compromise. One famous leader, when trying to count votes on a bill he wanted to push, told his colleagues “leave Hostettler alone, you can’t change his vote.”

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