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    Angry FBI: (Peaceful) Letters to Gov. => Violence

    Associated Press story (so expect to see it pop up all over...)

    WASHINGTON – The FBI is warning police across the country that an anti-government group's call to remove governors from office could provoke violence.

    The group called the Guardians of the free Republics wants to "restore America" by peacefully dismantling parts of the government, according to its Web site.

    Investigators do not see threats of violence in the group's message, but fear the broad call for removing top state officials could lead others to act out violently.

    As of Wednesday, more than 30 governors had received letters saying if they don't leave office within three days they will be removed, according to an internal intelligence note by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The note was obtained by The Associated Press.

    The FBI expects all 50 governors will eventually receive such letters.

    Governors whose offices reported receiving the letters included Jennifer Granholm of Michigan, Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Chet Culver of Iowa, Dave Heineman of Nebraska, Jim Gibbons of Nevada, and Gary Herbert of Utah, where officials stepped up security in response to the letter.

    In Nevada, screening machines for visitors and packages were added to the main entrance to the state Capitol as a precaution after Gibbons received one of the letters.

    "We're not really overly concerned, but at the same time we don't want to sit back and do nothing and regret it," Deputy Chief of Staff Lynn Hettrick said.

    Granholm spokeswoman Liz Boyd said federal authorities had alerted the governor that such a letter might be coming, and it arrived Monday or Tuesday. Boyd, who described the letter as "non-threatening," said it was opened by a staffer and immediately turned over to the Michigan State Police.

    Jindal's office confirmed the governor had received one of the letters and directed questions to the Louisiana State Police.

    "They called us as they do for any letter that's out of the norm," said Lt. Doug Cain, a state police spokesman.

    He declined to provide specifics about the letter, but said, "not knowing the group and the information contained in the letter warranted state police to review it."

    The FBI warning comes at a time of heightened attention to far-right extremist groups after the arrest of nine Christian militia members last weekend accused of plotting violence.

    In explaining the letters sent to the governors, the intelligence note says officials have no specific knowledge of plans to use violence, but they caution police to be aware in case other individuals interpret the letters "as a justification for violence or other criminal actions."

    The FBI associated the letter with "sovereign citizens," most of whom believe they are free from all duties of a U.S. citizen, like paying taxes or needing a government license to drive. A small number of these people are armed and resort to violence, according to the intelligence report.

    Last weekend, the FBI conducted raids on suspected members of a Christian militia in the Midwest that was allegedly planning to kill police officers. In the past year, federal agents have seen an increase in "chatter" from an array of domestic extremist groups, which can include radical self-styled militias, white separatists or extreme civil libertarians and sovereign citizens.
    Emphasis mine, as always.

    WTF is this shit, really? They have letters from a group they even acknowledge isn't violent, but they caution that other people might see the letters as a call to arms. How would they, if this story hadn't come out? Who had even heard of these letters? Why are "white separatists" right next to "extreme civil libertarians"? Why is "needing a license to drive" a "duty of a U.S. citizen"? My God, man, my God. It's worse and worse by the day.
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    It's on the radio news right now.

    Security boosted around Vt. governor

    MONTPELIER (AP) — The Vermont State Police have heightened security around Gov. Jim Douglas in response to threats made to governors across the country.

    State Police spokeswoman Sgt. Tara Thomas said Thursday that police cannot discuss any aspect of the security. The governor's spokesman referred questions to state police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    Associated Press story (so expect to see it pop up all over...)



    Emphasis mine, as always.

    WTF is this shit, really? They have letters from a group they even acknowledge isn't violent, but they caution that other people might see the letters as a call to arms. How would they, if this story hadn't come out? Who had even heard of these letters? Why are "white separatists" right next to "extreme civil libertarians"? Why is "needing a license to drive" a "duty of a U.S. citizen"? My God, man, my God. It's worse and worse by the day.

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    Go here, not bullshit, I thought so too, we may have a shot at somethiong real and peaceful!!

    Please combine these threads someone.

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    I'd rather they weren't combined, considering this is specifically geared towards the FBI/LE's overreaction, but it's a good cross-reference.

    LLS - but they're not concerned! The article said so!
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    Investigators do not see threats of violence in the group's message, but fear the broad call for removing top state officials could lead others to act out violently.
    Gotta love that line.

    And how exactly would that "lead others to act out violently"? I mean, no one really even knows about the Guardians of the Free...

    Oh, that's right, you just posted an AP story about it.

    The only thing that might incite violence is your AP story saying that it would incite violence. Especially when you finish it off by saying:

    In the past year, federal agents have seen an increase in "chatter" from an array of domestic extremist groups, which can include radical self-styled militias, white separatists or extreme civil libertarians and sovereign citizens.
    All these attempts at staging violence are retarded. We all need to stay connected online and snuff these attempts out as they come.

    How ironic that the R3volution has, as one of its primary objectives, to stop the state from inciting violence and pretending that its coming from those who only want peace and freedom.
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    Wonder who originated the "intelligence note" mentioned in the story (and made sure that this got major media coverage)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelissaWV View Post
    Associated Press story (so expect to see it pop up all over...)



    Emphasis mine, as always.

    WTF is this shit, really? They have letters from a group they even acknowledge isn't violent, but they caution that other people might see the letters as a call to arms. How would they, if this story hadn't come out? Who had even heard of these letters? Why are "white separatists" right next to "extreme civil libertarians"? Why is "needing a license to drive" a "duty of a U.S. citizen"? My God, man, my God. It's worse and worse by the day.
    Utter imbecilic action. States are legally constituted, their officers hold constitutional authority, and they are sovereign. You need a liscense to drive because you're driving on government roads. These people are nutsos.
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    They tried to recruit me for this but I passed. Bless 'em for trying to do something peacefully, but I'm really glad I'm not involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardwatson View Post
    Gotta love that line.

    And how exactly would that "lead others to act out violently"? I mean, no one really even knows about the Guardians of the Free...

    Oh, that's right, you just posted an AP story about it.

    The only thing that might incite violence is your AP story saying that it would incite violence. Especially when you finish it off by saying:



    All these attempts at staging violence are retarded. We all need to stay connected online and snuff these attempts out as they come.

    How ironic that the R3volution has, as one of its primary objectives, to stop the state from inciting violence and pretending that its coming from those who only want peace and freedom.
    Making a "sovereign citizen" argument will get you convicted or arrested, likely both.

    People who espouse such hair-brained theories would be far better served spreading the freedom philosophy than by driving around without liscense plates on their car pretending to be members of some soviereign indian tribe.
    The evils of the protecting-duty, may undoubtedly be graduated by compromises, like those of every other species of tyranny, but the folly of letting in some tyranny has in all ages been fatal to liberty. A succession of wedges, though apparently small, finally splits the strongest timber. ~John Taylor of Caroline, Tyranny Unmasked

    We have four boxes with which to defend our freedom: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. ~Congressman Larry McDonald.

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