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    Default Worthy cause -- support civil disobedience

    http://cdevolution.org/

    I believe this fund will give activists a lot of bang for their buck. I just chipped in $50.

    Clarification update (4/2/10): The current fund raising goal is to pay for legal defense of "sovereign curtis", who was recently arrested in Nashua, NH, for "distribution" of pot (he allegedly handed an undercover cop a pot cigarette) -- a felony, believe it or not.

    Here are a couple videos of the initial event, the day before:

    YouTube - Nashua Police Attack Freedom Celebration

    YouTube - Police in Nashua NH Arrest Peaceful 420 Celebrants


    And of curtis' arrest:

    http://qik.com/video/5646931

    Note that the cops refuse to identify themselves.
    Last edited by tremendoustie; 04-02-2010 at 04:56 PM.
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    I see our organizational skills haven't evolved.

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    It costs money "not" to do stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live_Free_Or_Die View Post
    I see our organizational skills haven't evolved.


    Quote Originally Posted by Live_Free_Or_Die View Post
    It costs money "not" to do stuff?
    This fund pays for expenses incurred while doing civil disobedience, for example, it was recently used to pay a $3000 bail for one activist, and has been used for commissary accounts. The intent is to grow it into a fund that could launch numerous civil suits against government malpractice, and challenge the constitutionality of laws, as well as to provide legal coverage for those who want it, while dealing with the state.

    There has been discussion of taking on a full time attorney, if funds permit.
    Last edited by tremendoustie; 03-31-2010 at 09:09 PM.
    “If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis

    The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.

    If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tremendoustie View Post




    This fund pays for expenses incurred while doing civil disobedience, for example, it was recently used to pay a $3000 bail for one activist, and has been used for commissary accounts. The intent is to grow it into a fund that could launch numerous civil suits against government malpractice, and challenge the constitutionality of laws, as well as to provide legal coverage for those who want it, while dealing with the state.

    There has been discussion of taking on a full time attorney, if funds permit.
    Rather than be civil disobedient so we can hire a lawyer to fight lawyers, I'm for not using any lawyers to the extent that we can buy used cars from them.

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    The effectiveness of civil disobedience is based on the willingness of people to sacrifice at the most basic human level. Outsourcing a cost of civil disobedience is totally the wrong way to go, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silus View Post
    The effectiveness of civil disobedience is based on the willingness of people to sacrifice at the most basic human level. Outsourcing a cost of civil disobedience is totally the wrong way to go, imo.
    I agree to an extent -- and there are lots of people just doing civil disobedience, most of whom don't use anything from the fund, even for commissary.

    Really, this isn't civil disobedience funding, per-se, it's more like court activism based on civil disobedience.

    I think if there were civil lawsuits launched every time they took aggressive action, it would make them think twice. Fear of liability, and rear-covering in general, is a major motivator in bureaucracies.
    Last edited by tremendoustie; 04-01-2010 at 12:01 AM.
    “If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis

    The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.

    If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Emanuel Watkins View Post
    Rather than be civil disobedient so we can hire a lawyer to fight lawyers, I'm for not using any lawyers to the extent that we can buy used cars from them.
    I hear you. I do think court activism can be effective, though -- along with jury nullification, traditional civil disobedience, political activism, education, etc.

    And the people who would be bringing these cases are liberty minded individuals, who'd be working at a deep discount.
    “If you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.” -CS Lewis

    The use of force to impose morality is itself immoral, and generosity with others' money is still theft.

    If our society were a forum, congress would be the illiterate troll that somehow got a hold of the only ban hammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tremendoustie View Post
    I will make another audio (not that anyone listens to my audio's) and spell it out. It is nothing I haven't mentioned or suggested before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tremendoustie View Post




    This fund pays for expenses incurred while doing civil disobedience, for example, it was recently used to pay a $3000 bail for one activist, and has been used for commissary accounts. The intent is to grow it into a fund that could launch numerous civil suits against government malpractice, and challenge the constitutionality of laws, as well as to provide legal coverage for those who want it, while dealing with the state.

    There has been discussion of taking on a full time attorney, if funds permit.
    I see.
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