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    The Wars of Tribe and Faith By Patrick J. Buchanan

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    When the Soviet Union disintegrated, most Americans likely had never heard of Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan or Turkmenistan.

    Yet the ethnonationalism of these Asian peoples, boiling to the surface after centuries of tsarist and communist repression, helped tear apart one of the great empires of history.

    There swiftly followed the collapse of Yugoslavia.

    Yet, if one knew nothing of the Habsburg and Ottoman empires or the First and Second Balkan Wars of 1912-1913, one would likely have been surprised by the sudden emergence of Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosovo on the map of Europe.

    What the splintering of the Soviet Union and of a Yugoslavia whose baptismal certificate dated to the Paris peace conference of 1919 revealed was the accuracy of Arthur Schlesinger’s insight in his 1991 Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society:

    “Nationalism remains after two centuries the most vital political emotion in the world — far more vital than social ideologies such a communism or fascism or even democracy. … Within nation-states, nationalism takes the form of ethnicity or tribalism.”

    Ethnic ties, Schlesinger wrote, might prove more powerful and historically important than the forces of globalism and democratism, which then seemed ascendant. He only neglected to mention religious faith as often a “far more vital” emotion than ideology.

    And though the Iraq elections have been hailed as a triumph of democracy, they would seem to prove him right.

    Kurds voted for Kurds, Shia for Shia, Sunni for Sunni on a slate led by Ayad Allawi, a secular Shia who campaigned on a unity ticket.

    The election results resemble a national census.

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    This is true everywhere but in Western nations. Even the Japanese and Chinese are ethno-centric. Unfortunately, PC-ness will lie that this concept even exists to the extent it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Light View Post
    This is true everywhere but in Western nations. Even the Japanese and Chinese are ethno-centric. Unfortunately, PC-ness will lie that this concept even exists to the extent it does.
    True-the West has fully embraced Cultural Communism

    Early Marxist theory

    Before World War I, Marxist theory said that if Europe ever erupted in war, the working classes in every European country would rise in revolt, overthrow their governments and create a new Communist Europe. But when war broke out in the summer of 1914, that didn't happen. Instead, the workers in every European country lined up by the millions to fight their country's enemies. Finally, in 1917, a Communist revolution did occur, in Russia. But attempts to spread that revolution to other countries failed because the workers did not support it.

    After World War I ended in 1918, Marxist theorists had to ask themselves the question: What went wrong? As good Marxists, they could not admit Marxist theory had been incorrect. Instead, two leading Marxist intellectuals, Antonio Gramsci in Italy and Georg Lukacs in Hungary (Lukacs was considered the most brilliant Marxist thinker since Marx himself) independently came up with the same answer. They said that Western culture and the Christian religion had so blinded the working class to its true, Marxist class interests, that a Communist revolution was impossible in the West, until both could be destroyed. That objective, established as cultural Marxism's goal right at the beginning, has never changed.

    A new strategy

    Gramsci famously laid out a strategy for destroying Christianity and Western culture, one that has proven all too successful. Instead of calling for a Communist revolution up front, as in Russia, he said Marxists in the West should take political power last, after a "long march through the institutions" – the schools, the media, even the churches, every institution that could influence the culture. That "long march through the institutions" is what America has experienced, especially since the 1960s. Fortunately, Mussolini recognized the danger Gramsci posed and jailed him. His influence remained small until the 1960s, when his works, especially the "Prison Notebooks," were rediscovered.

    Georg Lukacs proved more influential. In 1918, he became deputy commissar for culture in the short-lived Bela Kun Bolshevik regime in Hungary. There, asking, "Who will save us from Western civilization?" he instituted what he called "cultural terrorism." One of its main components was introducing sex education into Hungarian schools. Lukacs realized that if he could destroy the country's traditional sexual morals, he would have taken a giant step toward destroying its traditional culture and Christian faith.

    Far from rallying to Lukacs' "cultural terrorism," the Hungarian working class was so outraged by it that when Romania invaded Hungary, the workers would not fight for the Bela Kun government, and it fell. Lukacs disappeared, but not for long. In 1923, he turned up at a "Marxist Study Week" in Germany, a program sponsored by a young Marxist named Felix Weil who had inherited millions. Weil and the others who attended that study week were fascinated by Lukacs' cultural perspective on Marxism.

    The Frankfurt School

    Weil responded by using some of his money to set up a new think tank at Frankfurt University in Frankfurt, Germany. Originally it was to be called the "Institute for Marxism." But the cultural Marxists realized they could be far more effective if they concealed their real nature and objectives. They convinced Weil to give the new institute a neutral-sounding name, the "Institute for Social Research." Soon known simply as the "Frankfurt School," the Institute for Social Research would become the place where political correctness, as we now know it, was developed. The basic answer to the question "Who stole our culture?" is the cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt School.

    At first, the Institute worked mainly on conventional Marxist issues such as the labor movement. But in 1930, that changed dramatically. That year, the Institute was taken over by a new director, a brilliant young Marxist intellectual named Max Horkheimer. Horkheimer had been strongly influenced by Georg Lukacs. He immediately set to work to turn the Frankfurt School into the place where Lukacs' pioneering work on cultural Marxism could be developed further into a full-blown ideology.

    To that end, he brought some new members into the Frankfurt School. Perhaps the most important was Theodor Adorno, who would become Horkheimer's most creative collaborator. Other new members included two psychologists, Eric Fromm and Wilhelm Reich, who were noted promoters of feminism and matriarchy, and a young graduate student named Herbert Marcuse.

    Advances in cultural Marxism

    With the help of this new blood, Horkheimer made three major advances in the development of cultural Marxism. First, he broke with Marx's view that culture was merely part of society's "superstructure," which was determined by economic factors. He said that on the contrary, culture was an independent and very important factor in shaping a society.

    Second, again contrary to Marx, he announced that in the future, the working class would not be the agent of revolution. He left open the question of who would play that role – a question Marcuse answered in the 1950s.

    Third, Horkheimer and the other Frankfurt School members decided that the key to destroying Western culture was to cross Marx with Freud. They argued that just as workers were oppressed under capitalism, so under Western culture, everyone lived in a constant state of psychological repression. "Liberating" everyone from that repression became one of cultural Marxism's main goals. Even more important, they realized that psychology offered them a far more powerful tool than philosophy for destroying Western culture: psychological conditioning.

    Today, when Hollywood's cultural Marxists want to "normalize" something like homosexuality (thus "liberating" us from "repression"), they put on television show after television show where the only normal-seeming white male is a homosexual. That is how psychological conditioning works; people absorb the lessons the cultural Marxists want them to learn without even knowing they are being taught.

    The Frankfurt School was well on the way to creating political correctness. Then suddenly, fate intervened. In 1933, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power in Germany, where the Frankfurt School was located. Since the Frankfurt School was Marxist, and the Nazis hated Marxism, and since almost all its members were Jewish, it decided to leave Germany. In 1934, the Frankfurt School, including its leading members from Germany, was re-established in New York City with help from Columbia University. Soon, its focus shifted from destroying traditional Western culture in Germany to doing so in the United States. It would prove all too successful.

    New developments

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55833

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbyw24 View Post
    True-the West has fully embraced Cultural Communism

    Early Marxist theory

    Before World War I, Marxist theory said that if Europe ever erupted in war, the working classes in every European country would rise in revolt, overthrow their governments and create a new Communist Europe. But when war broke out in the summer of 1914, that didn't happen. Instead, the workers in every European country lined up by the millions to fight their country's enemies. Finally, in 1917, a Communist revolution did occur, in Russia. But attempts to spread that revolution to other countries failed because the workers did not support it.

    After World War I ended in 1918, Marxist theorists had to ask themselves the question: What went wrong? As good Marxists, they could not admit Marxist theory had been incorrect. Instead, two leading Marxist intellectuals, Antonio Gramsci in Italy and Georg Lukacs in Hungary (Lukacs was considered the most brilliant Marxist thinker since Marx himself) independently came up with the same answer. They said that Western culture and the Christian religion had so blinded the working class to its true, Marxist class interests, that a Communist revolution was impossible in the West, until both could be destroyed. That objective, established as cultural Marxism's goal right at the beginning, has never changed.

    A new strategy

    Gramsci famously laid out a strategy for destroying Christianity and Western culture, one that has proven all too successful. Instead of calling for a Communist revolution up front, as in Russia, he said Marxists in the West should take political power last, after a "long march through the institutions" – the schools, the media, even the churches, every institution that could influence the culture. That "long march through the institutions" is what America has experienced, especially since the 1960s. Fortunately, Mussolini recognized the danger Gramsci posed and jailed him. His influence remained small until the 1960s, when his works, especially the "Prison Notebooks," were rediscovered.

    Georg Lukacs proved more influential. In 1918, he became deputy commissar for culture in the short-lived Bela Kun Bolshevik regime in Hungary. There, asking, "Who will save us from Western civilization?" he instituted what he called "cultural terrorism." One of its main components was introducing sex education into Hungarian schools. Lukacs realized that if he could destroy the country's traditional sexual morals, he would have taken a giant step toward destroying its traditional culture and Christian faith.

    Far from rallying to Lukacs' "cultural terrorism," the Hungarian working class was so outraged by it that when Romania invaded Hungary, the workers would not fight for the Bela Kun government, and it fell. Lukacs disappeared, but not for long. In 1923, he turned up at a "Marxist Study Week" in Germany, a program sponsored by a young Marxist named Felix Weil who had inherited millions. Weil and the others who attended that study week were fascinated by Lukacs' cultural perspective on Marxism.

    The Frankfurt School

    Weil responded by using some of his money to set up a new think tank at Frankfurt University in Frankfurt, Germany. Originally it was to be called the "Institute for Marxism." But the cultural Marxists realized they could be far more effective if they concealed their real nature and objectives. They convinced Weil to give the new institute a neutral-sounding name, the "Institute for Social Research." Soon known simply as the "Frankfurt School," the Institute for Social Research would become the place where political correctness, as we now know it, was developed. The basic answer to the question "Who stole our culture?" is the cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt School.

    At first, the Institute worked mainly on conventional Marxist issues such as the labor movement. But in 1930, that changed dramatically. That year, the Institute was taken over by a new director, a brilliant young Marxist intellectual named Max Horkheimer. Horkheimer had been strongly influenced by Georg Lukacs. He immediately set to work to turn the Frankfurt School into the place where Lukacs' pioneering work on cultural Marxism could be developed further into a full-blown ideology.

    To that end, he brought some new members into the Frankfurt School. Perhaps the most important was Theodor Adorno, who would become Horkheimer's most creative collaborator. Other new members included two psychologists, Eric Fromm and Wilhelm Reich, who were noted promoters of feminism and matriarchy, and a young graduate student named Herbert Marcuse.

    Advances in cultural Marxism

    With the help of this new blood, Horkheimer made three major advances in the development of cultural Marxism. First, he broke with Marx's view that culture was merely part of society's "superstructure," which was determined by economic factors. He said that on the contrary, culture was an independent and very important factor in shaping a society.

    Second, again contrary to Marx, he announced that in the future, the working class would not be the agent of revolution. He left open the question of who would play that role – a question Marcuse answered in the 1950s.

    Third, Horkheimer and the other Frankfurt School members decided that the key to destroying Western culture was to cross Marx with Freud. They argued that just as workers were oppressed under capitalism, so under Western culture, everyone lived in a constant state of psychological repression. "Liberating" everyone from that repression became one of cultural Marxism's main goals. Even more important, they realized that psychology offered them a far more powerful tool than philosophy for destroying Western culture: psychological conditioning.

    Today, when Hollywood's cultural Marxists want to "normalize" something like homosexuality (thus "liberating" us from "repression"), they put on television show after television show where the only normal-seeming white male is a homosexual. That is how psychological conditioning works; people absorb the lessons the cultural Marxists want them to learn without even knowing they are being taught.

    The Frankfurt School was well on the way to creating political correctness. Then suddenly, fate intervened. In 1933, Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party came to power in Germany, where the Frankfurt School was located. Since the Frankfurt School was Marxist, and the Nazis hated Marxism, and since almost all its members were Jewish, it decided to leave Germany. In 1934, the Frankfurt School, including its leading members from Germany, was re-established in New York City with help from Columbia University. Soon, its focus shifted from destroying traditional Western culture in Germany to doing so in the United States. It would prove all too successful.

    New developments

    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55833
    The problem is that few recognize this disease, and even more distraught, there seems to be no cure for it in the West.

    There is no true conservative movement in the West. The Republicans (with only a few exceptions) you see in Congress are simply actors playing the part of opposition. The "right-wing" in the rest of the West are simply "liberals lite".

    Nationalism is dead in the West. Unfortunately, nations need nationalism to survive, else what will happen will be balkanization.

    Can you think of a nation that survived under multiculturalism?

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    Daniel 5:23-29

    See the writing on the wall...

    No civilization survived multi-culturalism and the level of materialism and moral/cultural decadence Western Civilization is currently living in. We think our transistors, satellites and fiber-optic cables makes us better and different from past civilizations but we will get a rude awakening if we dont change our ways.

    Sometimes i wonder if our Rulers take clues from the Bible on how to ruin things for everyone (but themselfs)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Light View Post
    The problem is that few recognize this disease, and even more distraught, there seems to be no cure for it in the West.

    There is no true conservative movement in the West. The Republicans (with only a few exceptions) you see in Congress are simply actors playing the part of opposition. The "right-wing" in the rest of the West are simply "liberals lite".

    Nationalism is dead in the West. Unfortunately, nations need nationalism to survive, else what will happen will be balkanization.

    Can you think of a nation that survived under multiculturalism?
    How would you and Buchanan stop multiculturalism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackTerrel View Post
    How would you and Buchanan stop multiculturalism?
    I don't know how Buchanan would, but I can't think of any solutions.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Light View Post
    The problem is that few recognize this disease, and even more distraught, there seems to be no cure for it in the West.

    There is no true conservative movement in the West. The Republicans (with only a few exceptions) you see in Congress are simply actors playing the part of opposition. The "right-wing" in the rest of the West are simply "liberals lite".

    Nationalism is dead in the West. Unfortunately, nations need nationalism to survive, else what will happen will be balkanization.

    Can you think of a nation that survived under multiculturalism?
    I accept the balkanization theory as the future answer to our current problem of rampant multi-culturalism. The lines of the map will be re-drawn once our centrally controlled government collapses. You would see considerable nationalism in those new nation states.

    I would expect most of the southern and western states would end up in a 3rd world dumb-$#@!istan condition as more and more 3rd world immigrants congregate there and drive out the middle class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Light View Post
    The problem is that few recognize this disease, and even more distraught, there seems to be no cure for it in the West.

    There is no true conservative movement in the West. The Republicans (with only a few exceptions) you see in Congress are simply actors playing the part of opposition. The "right-wing" in the rest of the West are simply "liberals lite".

    Nationalism is dead in the West. Unfortunately, nations need nationalism to survive, else what will happen will be balkanization.

    Can you think of a nation that survived under multiculturalism?
    I honestly don't know what people mean when they say "conservative", since it is a relative term. Do Republicans want to conserve the existing political and economic situation? The REAL competing ideology for collectivism is libertarianism, which doesn't depend on duplicity and deceit, and is quite explicit in what it represents.

    Nation states as we know them have existed for only 500 years. The globalists expect nation states to be replaced by world government. I wouldn't object to world government if it was patterned on a libertarian model.

    The USA's civil war may well be beginning, with competing groups wanting to control the reins of power.
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    Require each American to write a check to their state and federal governments every month.

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    Lightbulb Follow the Constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Light View Post
    I don't know how Buchanan would, but I can't think of any solutions.
    We could try following the Constitution.

    It allows many different people to live in a state to their liking, trading in peace with others doing the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inflation View Post
    We could try following the Constitution.

    It allows many different people to live in a state to their liking, trading in peace with others doing the same.
    We need the GOVERNMENT to do thi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inflation View Post
    We could try following the Constitution.

    It allows many different people to live in a state to their liking, trading in peace with others doing the same.
    But first, the government must follow the Constitution, we must hold their feet with those chains.

    Quote Originally Posted by stu2002 View Post
    We need the GOVERNMENT to do thi
    No, the government must be subdued by the chains of the Constitution. Then, the people can be free to trade, or not, to their own liking and will.
    Last edited by ClydeCoulter; 12-13-2012 at 07:01 AM.

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    What's with the thread necromancy?
    Quote Originally Posted by timosman View Post
    This is getting silly.
    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsmyth View Post
    It started silly.
    T.S. Elliot's The Hollow Men

    Some of you still watch the news, and it shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeCoulter View Post
    But first, the government must follow the Constitution, we must hold their feet with those chains.



    No, the government must be subdued by the chains of the Constitution. Then, the people can be free to trade, or not, to their own liking and will.
    True



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